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The humanoid experience and the ascension of spirit

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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull



Why just men? Human beings are descended from apes so why exactly are we the only ones that have spirits or chi when these ideas are typically expressed? There are only a few religions and beliefs that I can think of that include animals having a soul but if I were, for any amount of time, to believe that human beings have an actual ethereal spirit being on some other plane or somehow infused with our bodies I would also have to assume that animals have them too. Especially Chimps, Chimp behavior is so similar to our own, they mourn their dead, they go to war, they make tools (even SPEARS).


Of course! I completely agree: animals have almost the same vessel
as the humanoid being, but they lack the "last leap" for the bio-suit to
be 100% self aware and complete for the higher incarnation process.
My point is: we cannot learn anything from perception and decisions if we
where complete into instincts and alpha-patterns of dominance.

Thus: their energy body is not developed enough. But they can project!
Some authors claim that animals roam the 4D (mostly pets) with their
security and touch with humans....



Our spiritual nature, assuming we have one, is dependent upon our spirit correct? If we have some kind of infinite spirit how can that spirit's nature be a conspiracy. Perhaps you meant that religion and other forms of control ALTER the nature of our spirit or corrupt our consciousness somehow?


Well, that OP was flimsy at best in this part... let me try to explain a
little better.

1) You have a bio suit, made of molecules, composed of 50 trillions cells
that have a finite purpose and awareness;

2) You have the ultimate brain in nature capable of decisions, of be social,
and this brain is constructed above the obsolete brains... so you have
sexual drives, behaviours when in panic, anger. The most advanced part:
you can adapt the environment to fit you, not the other way.

3) You have an ego, a mind construct that operates between the
old drivers of animal being, of territorial and mating instincts;

4) You have an energy-body that works outside the ego and is wrapped
along the nerves and bones of the body.

5) What you experience ECHOES into this energy-body without consent,
and the ego will try to fight this energy template because it will take
your time from being HUMAN to being.... spiritual!

6) The type of experiences you have are aligned with the polarity of
your spirituality along the spiral of lessons you decided to engage while
here, simbiotic to this humanoid being.

7) Polarity is simple: (STO) you either ascend and see others as you, or
you indulge your ego, the service to the self (STS), the desintegration of
creation for the benefit of your ego.

And finally: the conspiracy is to make EXTREME difficult for any new
spirit incarnation by making the EGO the goal of the society that we
are in. This is the building of mental blocks (matrix) that deny that
you are indeed a walking infinite expression having a finite live to
learn and observe in FREEDOM.

8) 4D and 5D STS beings are interested in devotion, worshipping and
terror so they make you spin your lower chakras to them. Thats where
they get vitality, and thats why they live loooong inside the 5D, thus
not reincarnating.

Yes religions corrupt. No higher spirit wants you to loose your freedom
to learn adn give out prana emissions of lower "quality" or animalistic
in nature.



I really don't think that anything can truly take our liberty or freedom away, we have to deliver it voluntarily. Even if someone has a gun to your head the action of surrendering freedom is still YOUR decision. The idea that our freedom can be taken away is an illusion, we are always free to choose, within the structural limits and laws of the Universe of course.


Yes! We must bow our heads to them. When people say "I accepted X
in my life" they are self-proclaimed victims for 'benefits' in the "after-life".

I dont blame anything. I expect the spirit to achieve both polarities! Not
so much on the negative side, but I think the spirit needs to learn by
making mistakes and therefore knowing that the path is wrong not
because "someone told me", but because you went there and saw
for yourself.

Thats freedom (for me).

[]´s
RP

[edit on 1-7-2010 by RobertPaulsim]

[edit on 1-7-2010 by RobertPaulsim]




posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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reply to post by Americanist
 


My parents are square as I am... My teens were hard, with lots of
"No, thank you.. ", "I dont do that", "Ok, im outta here."

An old friend once told me that I talk like a 70 year old... I sayed:
"Yes, thank you..".

Thanks for caring about my brain stability, much apreciated!



RP



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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It seems blatantly obvious to me that it is possible to perform an act that is Both STO and STS. It's actually inevitable. So when my guardian angel stops me from walking out in front of a bus, it's not ok for her to smile and be happy about it? Pround of herself? lol.

It's like you and those who tout STO speak from a high level, but internally haven't even gotten past dichotomy and duality.

When you say STO is required to "advance" or "ascend" it becomes a ridiculous catch-22. It's dragging things down just for me to discuss this, but obviously people on a lower level would then try to do good things for the "selfish" purpose of ascending (higher energy levels, greater perceptions, bliss, heaven). EDIT: Giving your perspective the benefit of the doubt, it then becomes a matter of sentiment or intention.

Of course it's better to feed someone than to steal from them, but feeding them has it's own STS elsments.

At some point, you have to realize that the act of ascending is not selfish. If that's not selfish, then nothing is. If it is, then I guess all of you who tout STO are in trouble, in a bit of a pickle. You are then doing no different from those with a religion. Your religion is STO. How is it any different?

In these terms, Ascension is THE path (the obvious result of existence on any level), those on the negative side are then there because they want to be. Many of your experiences sound a lot like dreams, btw. I'm sorry, it just bugs me when people come up with another catch-22 to trap people with guilt. This is more insidious than the 10 commandments, because nobody can truly perform an act without an STS element - it's a slider scale, a spectrum... having both STO and STS factors.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by Novise]



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 03:15 AM
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reply to post by RobertPaulsim
 


Good thread on what seems a very complicated area. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us , is it difficult for you to do this though? I mean if this were true it isnt exactly what they will be wanting you to tell people is it ? Do they try to stop you voicing your opinion in any way?

Interesting thread.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by Mr Green]



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by Novise

Hey, thanks for the reply!



It seems blatantly obvious to me that it is possible to perform an act that is Both STO and STS. It's actually inevitable. So when my guardian angel stops me from walking out in front of a bus, it's not ok for her to smile and be happy about it? Pround of herself? lol.


To me, the pure concepts of STO and STS are... impossible! Its indeed
more likely a complete experience (ying /yang) as both of your body suit
and energy work together to be oneness.

STS/STO thats just a perception based on the translation of experience
to higher dimensions... I feel enourmously satisfyed when I recall what
I´ve had done and not done, sometimes proud that I took a stand.

In fact, kundalini experiences related are the whole duality merged (so
I heard , please).... so its not even STS/Sto anymore... but true spirit!

Egos need to be "healthier". Thats all. Not so much abiding what you want
but try to focus more only on what you really need in life and its not
happening because of ego commitments of desintegration with others.



It's like you and those who tout STO speak from a high level, but internally haven't even gotten past dichotomy and duality.


Oh, please no. Take as a view, not reality. And yes, pass throught
duality is a constant watch.. I think that these concepts gives tools
to the mind argue that goes into you (ego/spirit).



When you say STO is required to "advance" or "ascend" it becomes a ridiculous catch-22. It's dragging things down just for me to discuss this, but obviously people on a lower level would then try to do good things for the "selfish" purpose of ascending (higher energy levels, greater perceptions, bliss, heaven). EDIT: Giving your perspective the benefit of the doubt, it then becomes a matter of sentiment or intention.


Well, I dont see it like that absolute. Studying and learning how to operate
not so much in human terms is not a selfish act (to me), and "ascending"
is being aware of duality and transcend it by projecting out and coming
back (most important!!).

Like I said in other reply, the universe doest not give a damn in what you
believe, the transmission happens without consent. In fact, a lot of good
people may be, in fact atheists or just dont buy acenscensio crap... never-
theless, they have an excellent life and when the focal point (body) is
not longer available, they will continue their learning from there.



Of course it's better to feed someone than to steal from them, but feeding them has it's own STS elsments.


Yes, indeed. But you can stay anonimous to lessen the ego. I just dont
stand to see people that give out but REQUIRES the admiration back.
Just disgusting and way more ego than spirit.



At some point, you have to realize that the act of ascending is not selfish. If that's not selfish, then nothing is. If it is, then I guess all of you who tout STO are in trouble, in a bit of a pickle. You are then doing no different from those with a religion. Your religion is STO. How is it any different?


I just believe free spirits dont need religions to make their experiences
here "by the book" and exchanging energy with other spirits that are
clever in deception.

I want the true experience, the edges blurring and the ego and spirit
both reaching out their max. This is all polaritties in one. This is the goal.

Religion? I dont abide to that perception... i want freedom and understand
my energy-body, how it works and how it signals out to my spirit.

I guess if you only be STO your life will be miserable.
I agree 100%. BE HAPPY! MAKE OTHERS HAPPY. Look in the mirror and
make the changes I say, what you put out you will receive.



In these terms, Ascension is THE path (the obvious result of existence on any level), those on the negative side are then there because they want to be. Many of your experiences sound a lot like dreams, btw. I'm sorry, it just bugs me when people come up with another catch-22 to trap people with guilt. This is more insidious than the 10 commandments, because nobody can truly perform an act without an STS element - it's a slider scale, a spectrum... having both STO and STS factors.


The "negative" side is also learning and we must respect that if we are
indeed free spirits. My whole life I learned that you only get perspective
when you have constrast. Some of the best people in the world are
those who indulged their egos and then turned around, being a whole
person, flawed and with a whole lot of conscience.

I say we agree on all aspects. Perhaps my OP was too "high" to show
how much ego can inflict barriers to people freedoms.

Peace!

RP


[edit on 2-7-2010 by RobertPaulsim]



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Green
reply to post by RobertPaulsim
 


Good thread on what seems a very complicated area. Thank you for sharing your experiences with us , is it difficult for you to do this though? I mean if this were true it isnt exactly what they will be wanting you to tell people is it ? Do they try to stop you voicing your opinion in any way?

Interesting thread.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by Mr Green]



Hey, nice to hear from you. I watch your opinions on other threads
and we seem to be in synch.

Well, on the conspiracy level I guess the more you got out the matrix
the more people will reject and fear your thoughts. They know subcons-
ciously that they signed "victim" on the social contract to this society
but they are also VERY committed with serving their egos.

Thus, TPTB only focus on dividing and conquering those people who
signed in by all their means of religion, education, government.

I dont know if this answer your question...

Peace,

RP



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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RobertPaulism,

Very interesting thread.


I have a quick question for you, but I may be talking to you in this and other threads because you seem to be the sort I can learn from at my current location on life's journey.

What happens when we die?

Also, how certain are you of your answer? If you can give details that'd be great, but I understand the difficulty of translating experiential data into language that one who has not experienced can understand. A bit like explaining to a lifelong deaf how you can communicate without looking at the person!

So any details would be great, but I will be appreciative if you just tell me how certain you are about your answer.

Thanks in advance!


[edit on 2-7-2010 by NewlyAwakened]



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 10:04 AM
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It Feels Right.

Ya just Know.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by NewlyAwakened



What happens when we die?


Interesting! My friend darryl just posted about this:
darrylsloan.wordpress.com...

My take: your energy-body, who were in charge of translating all your
emotions, feelings and intereactions with the bio-suit cut itself open
and is free to either stay in 4D or align itself deeper into 5D (its like diving
into a image).

NDE´s are not like these. The tunneling experience is a partial 3rd eye
remote projection (I did it once, seems like a tunnel revolving blood to
me) due to a low powered energy-suit connection.



Also, how certain are you of your answer? If you can give details that'd be great, but I understand the difficulty of translating experiential data into language that one who has not experienced can understand. A bit like explaining to a lifelong deaf how you can communicate without looking at the person!


Im pretty sure hehe, just kidding... Thing is: if you can transport your
awake conscience to another focal point (thanks darryl!), lets say the
energy-suit (4D) or the soul-unit (5D) and come back.... there is this
certainty that you never really "die" but you just... shift.

Dyieng is an immense hurt to the ego, no more the old rules of animalistic
behaviour!

On the deaf POV: being without gravity is a-m-a-z-i-n-g. Moving with
your mind is like swimming in thought!

Peace,

RP



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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I like the computer simulation idea too. Why can't what the Constant Gardener described be part of the simulation as well? I think it certainly can be.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 04:37 PM
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I agree, thanks for the reply! The moment you said you didn't see the two as absolutes I knew we were actually on the same page. For the rest I thought your answers were great and I held the same sentiments as you did in a few of your examples.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 11:52 PM
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Very interesting thread, it somehow rings true to my inner self.

Your response before to duality, I find interesting. You say the Universe doesn't give a damn, and so it is with our Brain, it does not care if you want to be Mother Theresa or Hannibal Lector, it just follows orders. To experience life from one perspective (be it say STO) would not be a full experience, taking away from free choice, because what choices do you have if you don't know the experience from the other side? That's why (for me) Religion is a hinderence to Spiritual evolution, your performance in this life is predetermined, like coming off the Japanese production line.

This does not add to a full "Life"
I wonder if Animals, who are probably Spiritually "immature" will ever progress to a higher consciousness, or are they just happy being who they are and that is why they remain on their level, and Humans, who were not content, are pushing, so to speak, the Universe for change, ascension?

Does it boil down to a choice?

Anyway, I'm rambling...... hard to put thoughts and ideas to Words


Great thread, thank you


P.S just remembered I used to have a very good friend named Robert Paul.
You're not from New Zealand by any chance?



posted on Jul, 3 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Village Idiot
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Your response before to duality, I find interesting. You say the Universe doesn't give a damn, and so it is with our Brain, it does not care if you want to be Mother Theresa or Hannibal Lector, it just follows orders. To experience life from one perspective (be it say STO) would not be a full experience, taking away from free choice, because what choices do you have if you don't know the experience from the other side? That's why (for me) Religion is a hinderence to Spiritual evolution, your performance in this life is predetermined, like coming off the Japanese production line.
[\quote]

Imagining putting all that is to known inside a book.
Thats how low religion is to the full experience.

About not knowing from the other side.. lessons for the spirit (almost
everyone say this) dont require form, so this is not detrimental to
any incarnation. But, IMHO, it will be only the basic lessons on
how to overcome ego.



I wonder if Animals, who are probably Spiritually "immature" will ever progress to a higher consciousness, or are they just happy being who they are and that is why they remain on their level, and Humans, who were not content, are pushing, so to speak, the Universe for change, ascension?
[\quote]

Animals, we sure are all pet lovers in ATS, hehe. Thing is, IMHO the spirit
chooses the medium for incarnation. Like nature, the spirit also progressed
from the same mediums provided for experience.



P.S just remembered I used to have a very good friend named Robert Paul.
You're not from New Zealand by any chance?
[\quote]

Im from Brasil! Hehe... sorry!

Peace,
RP

[edit on 3-7-2010 by RobertPaulsim]

[edit on 3-7-2010 by RobertPaulsim]



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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How similar would you say your ideas are to the Ra? This seems very similar or on the same tracks as them, would you say?



posted on Jul, 6 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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Yes, some of it. The STO and "densities" approach I found
most compelling. I was more into etheric, astral terms last year.

But... I found very manipulative the Q&A, like so many spirit texts it
conducts the reader into seeing the questions, shaping their view and
ready to accept the substance. It is, of course, little by little and
some questions are for distraction or provide angles to fill the holes
in the theory.

Law of one - Religion approach of freedom matters. Be very cautious
into those texts, man. Next thing you know, you have answers to
questions that never occurred to you.. and when the question arrives,
you may fall to authority of RA because "it fits". Danger, danger!

RP



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 02:04 AM
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I read Ra book I and II and thought the exact same thing, I also have book III and really have no intention to read it, something about it/them is not right. Im sure some of it is correct, all things like that will give some truth to draw you in and then manipulate you with the remaining half truths/hidden distortions. Its very very difficult for anyone to work through works such as the Ra without becoming confused/energy drained, Ive found its best to just try and work and listen from our core being. I read a quote recently that said once we project out from our core being, everything is a potential manipulation. ( Core awarness is defined as the absense of personal projection) This rings very true for me, staying true to our core and not self reflecting outside of this helps prevent these manipulations from effecting us.

One thing concerns me about STO/STS. This is that they are extreme polarities (of each other).



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posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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I learned alot from the responses of this thread, and I will post
a new thread with more quality in the OP.

Stay true to yourself. That´s where the learning is, even if you dont
"see" the intrincasies of the inner workings from the multi-verse, multi-d
expression of "being in the now".

RP



posted on Jul, 7 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by RobertPaulsim
reply to post by Mr Green
 



Stay true to yourself. That´s where the learning is


I totally agree with you! As long as every thought/action/word is true to our core self much can be learned.



posted on Jul, 9 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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what about christianity?.

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posted on Jul, 10 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Hey, how are you man. I was wondering when this question
would come out..

Every religion (following my intuition and investigation) leads to some
form of restriction of freedom throughout the mind walls of belief.

These "mind walls" are the dogmas and doctrines. These beliefs stops
you from seeking out genuinely and intuitively experience in the real
world.

As i stated in the OP, every experience that you have ripples unconditioned
on this psychic-suit that translates everything to the higher self (the soul
and then the spirit).

So, by these terms, PRAYING for some authority WILL output prana towards
that entity. You will give it your own spirit vitality to it.

And thats is pure STS from that entity. Thats a NEGATIVE polarity because
the energy you suppose to use for yourself into learning the lessons is going
to somewhere else!

And conditioning by following cults (christianity, buddhism) as victim to
obtain favors to the self - thats also NEGATIVE polarity.

So, the "gods" are in fact 5D negs that have their spirits reincarnating here
and spreading their STS agenda for all those victims.

In the ancients times, they sacrifice to obtain max terror (absurd prana
emission to the entity). The switch gears to full lifetime praying and constant
mana extorsion from spirits that get caught in not learning properly their
lessons of integration (freedom for all, knowledge for all).

Example: a satanist worships an image of terror, he light red candles and
cut himself over some mantras of giving his body and soul to his god. He
reads his book of beliefs and then proceed to rituals of praising the lord...

Sounds exacly like the christian gods way, with all the morals there to
distract you while you perform rituals of invocation of STS spirits.

Thats my POV. Please, dont be offended by it and if you are a christian
please follow your beliefs if thats what you want. Like I said before, I
respect the belief of others, mostly STS.

Peace,

RP



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