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Revolution has begun - What side are you on?

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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 07:25 AM
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This is not my own but I know not who said it. It was a member of this forum and it is something we need to be aware of.

'The revolution will be a false flag.'

Meaning of course beware of those that come out and act as leaders of any movement. This evil octopus has its tentacles everywhere and controls all sides. Its quite disconcerting.




posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 08:06 AM
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The entire idea of this thread is assanine.

Who in their right minds would want to glorify killing fellow countrymen? And for what reason? Because you don't agree with them?

This is insanity at it's most obvious.

Look, I don't like the way our country is going right now. At all. But in NO WAY do I support a 'hot' revolution.

At all. Under any circumstances, *barring complete tyrannical takeover*.
If you want change, political process and peaceful methods.

It's as if some of you are trying to will a civil war to happen. Do you think it's going to be like some kind of video game like "Fallout" or something, were you run around with a gun and shoot mutants and upgrade your armor and get achievement points for XBox Live??? Get real!

I'm from the South, and I harbor no ill will to my Northern brothers. The Civil War is over. The South lost. I'm proud to be from the South, but I have no kind of illusions as to any kind of rekindled Civil War. And frankly, why would I want to? What good does American killing American do for our nation.

Absolutely none.

If the goverment forcibly turns on the American people and we HAVE to defend ourselves, then we will.

But guess what? We're not at that point yet, and people calling for blood are not only childish, they are ignorant.

/end rant



[edit on 1-7-2010 by GuiltyByDesign]



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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I couldn't agree with you more mate! There are certain conditions to which I would support a resistance movement within the United States and none of them are currently on the table.

For one if the US became fascist I would actively support a resistance, but the current state of government in the US is nothing near what it would have to be for something like that. In fact I'd say you were closer under the W. Bush administration to fascism than you are now, and even then you weren't that close at all. I was living in America for most of it, and while I was not happy with the state of government it was nothing that the electoral process could not overcome easily.

I'll set out a set of points that would have to be met for me to support resistance:

- Suspension of elections (this is a really big one as it denies the people their voice in government)

- Abridging of the rights protected in the Bill Of Rights (your Supreme Court just ruled in support of the 2nd Amendment, and 1st Amendment rights have increased under President Obama, especially freedom of expression and freedom of the press)

- Martial Law (I am talking here about actual military rule, the textbook definition of martial law, not what some on here think about government control through taxes and such)

- Ethnic repression and warfare (a return to the Jim-Crow laws or something of that nature would fit that bill)

- A deliberate effort to undermine the natural rights as outlined in the Declaration Of Independence (these pertain specifically to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, property is actually not covered in the Declaration at all and instead is a Scot-English idea of natural rights not an American one)

Ironically I would have more problems with many of the alternative government ideas outlined here in this thread than I do with the current state of affairs in the US based upon these criteria.

As it stands, I side with the continuance of government in the United States and the betterment of it through the electoral process not any kind of revolution. Voting and voicing of opinion peacefully will have more of an effect for the better than any kind of warfare would.

It must also be remembered that many of the positions given here are fringe ones at best, and do not have any form of populist support within the citizen base of the US. The very ideas propositioned here are far to radical for gaining ground in any kind of short-term and the desire of the few to violently press their views of governance upon the masses will not be tolerated by people whom operate under the principals of The Enlightenment, such as the US population does.

As such, it is sheer lunacy to believe that any revolution based upon such principals would gain ground beyond a small fringe element. I have exhaustively studied the current political climate in the US as an assignment for my media outlet here in the United Kingdom and I have found that there is almost no chance that the future many wish to see here, with warfare and suffering as the beginning will come to pass and that is a very good sign for your country.

Edit Note: To clarify my stance on the criteria for resistance, if any of these points ever came to pass I would support and advocate a resistance within the United States to the end that it overcame that point. The more that are met, god forbid, the more cemented my support would become to the level that if most or all ever were to become reality I would personally take it upon myself with my training and experience on the conflict areas in Afghanistan, the Balkans, Uzbekistan and Russia that I would come back to the United States and actively help in a resistance effort. I think it is the duty of all able Britons to aid our ally the United States and our friends the people of America in that task. Your nation has become our best friend in the world through the Special Relationship pact and it would be our honor to aid you in times such as those listed above, however unlikely they may be.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by ProjectJimmy]



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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Theres no need for an armed rebellion! All we need are some politicians that actually still believe in the constitution and what this country was founded on. The only problem is, once you get into the political game, it's kinda hard to put all that money aside, especially when it's flowing in at every angle, and remain true to your beliefs.

We as a people, human beings, were truley never ready for freedom. We still arent and to this day it shows. When more people can act in a selfless manner and actually care what happens to other human beings instead of selfishly hoarding all available resources for his and her's, mankind will be ready. Until then, those people on tv reflect exactly what humanity is - immature.

I'd also like to add: to what end? How long would a new government hold up until it falls back into the corrupt state it's in now? 3 generations? 5? 10? People need to change, not the rules. When the people change, the rules will follow. Defeating corruption with violence is like dumping gasoline on a fire to put it out.

[edit on 2-7-2010 by AndrewJay]



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by proudcaptalist
Who am i gonna fight for? the south.

There is a saying down here ya know....guess what it is. THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN.

And it will. Unlike you yankees to the north of us....us southerners really know how to use a gun and live off the land. We have the population for it....we have the will. The southern people are tenacious and are expert marksmen......plus we are just very physical.

Heck....we rule college football.


You live in the south? Was your state one of the original 13 colonies?

Guess what?

You're a Yankee.

And the whole "we are very physical" bit is played out. I lived in Georgia for 5 years. My son was born in Georgia. The people there were wonderful, but I wouldn't call most of them "physical". Hell -- most were barely 5 feet tall.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 01:16 AM
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LOL, I had no idea it was the 1860's.

Revolution huh? We need some politicians who are men of the people, not men of the corporations. Think the lowly citizens could overthrow the gov. if needed? I don't.

If the need rises,we should look at Dr.King for inspiration on how to go about it. If you don't stand for something peacefully, then you will never truly win.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 01:28 AM
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personally I'm not a very violent or action oriented fellow. as long as we have the freedoms we have I am content, but I feel there is no room for a government who takes these away.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by thomasc83
LOL, I had no idea it was the 1860's.

Revolution huh? We need some politicians who are men of the people, not men of the corporations. Think the lowly citizens could overthrow the gov. if needed? I don't.

If the need rises,we should look at Dr.King for inspiration on how to go about it. If you don't stand for something peacefully, then you will never truly win.


That went well for him.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 06:10 AM
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REVOLUTION

For starters:

Declare a moratorium on paying taxes

Call for the recall of all elected officials in the senate and congress

Elect a peoples senate and congress

Call for the impeachment of the president

Elect a peoples president

Cut the defense budget immediately in half and give money to the states and to the investment in the national infrastructure and to the poor.

Rescind all government contracts with the Military Industrial Complex corporations

Cease immediately all foreign wars
Building of nuclear weapons
Trade in weapons of mass destruction
All aid to Israel



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 06:12 AM
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I am on neither side. I don't want to be part of this silly "conflict". It is not going to solve a damn thing and people know it, whether it's the Teabaggers or supporters of government.

There are too many wars, too many bloody #ing revolutions and nothing but political madness.

It all has to come to a stop at some point.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by inforeal

REVOLUTION

For starters:

Declare a moratorium on paying taxes (right-wing)

Call for the recall of all elected officials in the senate and congress (wishful thinking)

Elect a peoples senate and congress (who are these "peoples" you speak of?)

Call for the impeachment of the president (not the first time a right-winger has done so)

Elect a peoples president (again, who do you mean by "peoples"?)

Cut the defense budget immediately in half and give money to the states and to the investment in the national infrastructure and to the poor. (one of the only real smart ideas in this "revolution")

Rescind all government contracts with the Military Industrial Complex corporations (ditto as above)

Cease immediately all foreign wars
Building of nuclear weapons
Trade in weapons of mass destruction
All aid to Israel

(now you're on a good track)


Now, care to tell me who the peoples are? Would they come from diverse backgrounds, or would they be White Anglo-Saxon Protestants? I don't want a government that's run only by honkeys and ignorant southerners.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by inforeal

REVOLUTION

For starters:

Declare a moratorium on paying taxes

Call for the recall of all elected officials in the senate and congress

Elect a peoples senate and congress

Call for the impeachment of the president

Elect a peoples president

Cut the defense budget immediately in half and give money to the states and to the investment in the national infrastructure and to the poor.

Rescind all government contracts with the Military Industrial Complex corporations

Cease immediately all foreign wars
Building of nuclear weapons
Trade in weapons of mass destruction
All aid to Israel


A moratorium on taxation, how are you going to pay for anything?

Seriously I have yet to see a reasonable proposal regarding taxation here that would allow any form of governance to continue. This is fine if you are an Anarchist but doesn't make any sense if you are anything but. We get it, you don't like taxes, but it seems very few of the members on ATS actually understand how taxes work.

As for the building of nuclear weapons and the trade in WMDs, well the United States government is already way ahead of you there. The United States is party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (and abides by it) and has renounced all chemical and biological weapons. So you got your wish, way back in the Cold War.

And the "people's" congress and president, well you voted them into office, they are of the people, again you've got your wish right there.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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Let’s don’t be obtuse

Get into the spirit of REVOLUTION first

BTW also abolish the FED

As for who will be in the new peoples government

People who are conscious of the need to eliminate wars, violence, poverty, disease, and injustice ASAP
And who are conscious of developing what I call social capitalism, and abolish anti-social capitalism


POWER TO THE PEOPLE!



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by inforeal
Let’s don’t be obtuse

Get into the spirit of REVOLUTION first

BTW also abolish the FED

As for who will be in the new peoples government

People who are conscious of the need to eliminate wars, violence, poverty, disease, and injustice ASAP
And who are conscious of developing what I call social capitalism, and abolish anti-social capitalism


POWER TO THE PEOPLE!


So the "spirit" of violent uprising in order to bring about a more peaceful nation? Interesting concept. How about another one: violence begets violence.

I also take issue with your "peoples government" because it seems that you want to only make it out of people who think like you do. That's not how America works.



posted on Jul, 3 2010 @ 02:26 PM
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Please tell me the similarity of your signature to the propaganda of Nazi Germany is intentional and intended to be ironic. Otherwise, I question which end of your own pyramid you call home.



posted on Jul, 3 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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It all depends on what the revolution is for.

If it's a Socialist revolution then I'll be om the side of the Republic.



posted on Jul, 3 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust.

Which side do you support?

Rebel forces (Insurgency) or Established government (Same ole same ole)?


neither. on most issues.
both if they can figure out what it is they can agree upon.

until then i am not their shield.
i am not their weapon to wield
i am not an extention of their will
for neither side will i choose to kill



posted on Jul, 4 2010 @ 09:03 PM
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With nuclear weapons and such I doubt a "hot" revolution could be won. Also the way the Mexican drug cartels have taken over parts of Arizona. Where are all these revolutionary gun men at to defend Arizona??? If the D.C decided it was going to forfeit our sovereignty and brought in NATO troops enforce it, I highly doubt the 200 million or so guns in this country would be put to use. As to the OP I wouldn't take any side. I'd have to ensure the safety of myself and family first whether its going into hiding or leaving the country all together. After that I would really have to think about and evaluate everything on both sides.

[edit on 4-7-2010 by GhostOfAndrewJackson]



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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In order to have a true revolution we need to get the rich and religious out of government and the government needs to listen to the people and do what the people says and stop turning America into a police and socialist/communist state.



posted on Jul, 5 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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There would never be a revolution if some states got sick of being controlled by the government and seceded from the union.

That would be the peaceful revolution, they didn't let it happen once; if they didn't let it happen again things would turn for the worst.



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