Officers claim they don't need law to stop photographer taking pictures

can you mention that it was metropolitan police of england

I hope what they do need is a new job after they get their criminal, treasonous arses fired.

They are the terrorists.
They are the promoters & fabricators of terror.

They are the terror.

Your job is not to be afraid, & take your nation back from the criminal elite octopus, for some honest, decent government.

Amazing. . .utterly amazing.

Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
Police hate to be informed of the law and/or your rights.

Probably because they are tired of having to pretend you still have them.

Face it, we are all slowly being transitioned out of democracy into Fascism.

en.wikipedia.org...

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy.[5][6]

Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[15] They claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.[15] In viewing the nation as an integrated collective community, they see pluralism as a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.[16][17] They advocate the creation of a single-party state.[18] Fascists reject and resist autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered part of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be assimilated.[19] They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an affront and threat to the nation.[19] Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.[20] They identify violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[21]

Our politicians and leaders have created spy origanizations that are shaping world policy and have been since at least WWII. These spy organizations in the US learned much from Nazi methodology. I would say in a real way, they are driving the policies and politics in our nations today. People who are not elected, people who are not accountable, who act in the cloak of secrecy. It is no surprise they favor fascism, their organizations themselves dictate that they will.

Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
Police hate to be informed of the law and/or your rights...

Yes and there is a very good reason for that. It's because the public is the only force that polices the police. Their only tools for this is their rights and media equipment. They would much rather go about their criminal business undetected therefore have developed a profound hatered against anyone who knows their rights and/or is carrying a camera. People who know rights and have media equipment are very much the opposing force against police.

Things are heppening right in front of Americans eyes yet we still can't wake people up. I am beginning to think we have no chance of stopping the NWO.

I know how this kid feels almost. I was with a charity group at an RAF base on a very prominent airshow day. Half of us entertain the public, the other half of us take pictures and watch out for the rest. The police (please note, NOT the military police, just your run of the mill type) accosted us, told our costumed lot to remove helmets in front of the public (club rules, no helmet removal unless you're away from the public as it ruins the perception we try to create), and when we explained why that wasn't possible we were taken back to the changing room and had our details taken.

We're all probably on some kind of database now. The officer in charge was downright rude, plus the fact that we were INVITED to that show in the first place AND had an on-base military escort with us most of the day!

Not only that, about six plain clothes officers were on us for quite some time because our obviously plastic sci-fi prop firearms were too "real looking." The costumed lot were told by a rather serious officer "If someone shouts stop at you, do so or you may be shot."

So yes, this kind of thing is definately spreading. It can only get worse unfortunately. You can kick and scream, but the officers will just become a little worse with each little protest you care to make. What rights?

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

Jules Mattsson, a 16-year-old freelancer from Hackney

Wow !

If every teenager had such a grasp of their rights and exercised them in such a fashion , i dare say it would transform society as we know it.

Use them or lose them .



Thats for posting this DD.

reminds me of something I read a week or so ago, and I'm half sure it was a thread here at ats.
As far as I can remember , it was something about law enforcement being told that people that spout off about their rights and the constitution to a cop, are being assumed and treated as home grown terrorist and whatnot.

I feel fairly confident that the kid probably had a trip behind the woodshed coming to him, but saying that someone is a threat under any Act even remotely related to terrorism goes much too far. They basically called him a terrorist for simply being a mouthy little whippersnapper. Why is it that cops seem to be the people in our society who understand least that 95% of teenagers are, by their very natures, mouthy and uncouth?

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All this lad did was question the authority of the police officers and their apparent ignorance of the law. He was right, they were wrong. However, in such a situation you are still screwed as simply questioning their authority will then get you slapped with a public order offence for disobeying them. See how this works? They still get to bully you and possibly even get you convicted of a crime, even when you are innocent of the original offence and simply standing up for your rights. In just about every similar case I have seen, the original "anti-terror" offence is dropped and they are arrested under a public order offence.
So, pointing out a police officers illegal use of a law and ignorance of a law becomes grounds for an arrest and possinle fine / criminal record. It's a win-win for the police. Even if a magistrate or the CPS throws out the charge, the police have still done their bit to intimidate and assert their perceived authority. That is just wrong.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


I haven't read the whole thread. So, excuse me if somebody else has said anything like this.

Incidents like the one reported here is why we need more average citizens to become police officers. If people that are fed up with the actions of the police start becoming police they can change things. If hundreds or even thousands of citizens, that truly believe in the rule of law, become officers these incidents will become much more rare.

I'm in the process of doing this myself.

reply to post by Britguy

However, in such a situation you are still screwed as simply questioning their authority will then get you slapped with a public order offence for disobeying them. See how this works? They still get to bully you and possibly even get you convicted of a crime, even when you are innocent of the original offence and simply standing up for your rights.

In my opinion there are two ways to put an end to that conundrum. #1. If you are blessed enough to have resources, you sue their pants off, the pants of the city, the county, the department, the individual, and anybody that supports them! #2. If you are not blessed with money and time, then you probably have less to lose, and you might arrange an "accidental" meeting with the offending officer when he is out of uniform and least expects it. Return the favor a little bit, and make sure you leave no doubt that there is mortal danger involved if he continues his pursuit and bullying. Make sure he knows you are more than willing to go to jail, but only for a more serious crime, and if it comes down to it, you will make sure the crime fits the punishment instead of vice versa.

The United States no longer is a nation of laws, it IS a Police State.


You no longer have the right to take photographs in public places in America. There was a recent case over here where a man took a photo of an accident on the road and the police arrested him and took his camera/cell phone.

He didn't get his cellphone back until he filed a court case. Sure he got the phone back but they deleted his pictures and threw the phone in water. He had a laboratory try to save the deleted data on the phone and when they took it apart they found it suffered water damage.

The court didn't help him. They ruled for the cops. You have ZERO property rights.....you have ZERO rights to take photo's now in public places in America.

We ARE a Police State.