'Dozens' of US citizens on assassination list, White House adviser hints

reply to post by azrael36


You havent mastered their language yet. Its called "opposite speak" where patriots are terrorists, and terrorists are patriots.

So, if THEY say patriot, you think terrorist, but if they say terrorist, they are talking about patriots. (Or "freedom fighters" depending if the person is domestic or foreign. )

Once you get the hang of it, you can tell what they are doing by what word they are using.

reply to post by harp sounds


Read the article...these targeted people are not exactly "model" citizens...

living outside the country..likely not of "American" decent.

they are actively working with terrorists groups who are not hiding their intent.

How do expect your country to defend itself?????....its not likely they will bring these criminals to trial back in th U.S.

Not likely they will have a police force near them that will bring them to justice.

Treating them like an enemy of the state ..just like any other insurgent or terrorist would be the prudent course of action.

These people are not "pete and mary Smith" from Tampa .....

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Hope springs eternal?

Really though, since when have we done away with the rights of individuals to a fair trial? Its no secret, at least among the circles many of us travel in. That the govt has had a long history of employing assasination squads to deal with unsavory elements they wish to dispose of. But since when do we make it public policy to announce that we will now start killing our own citizens without benefit of due process? Where does the line get drawn? Today it's those who aid "terrorists". Tomorrow it's those who don't agree with political idealogy. Next year its the poor who don't "contribute" to society...

reply to post by wrathchild


Don't you think there's a slight difference between killing someone in a war zone during operational manuevers and targeted assasination? By your reasoning it would have been acceptable to kill jane fonda during the vietnam war (I'm not saying that I would personally disagree with that, but it's the principle). Targeted assasination of a nations own citizenry is a rather barbaric practice used by third rate dictators and warlords to ensure power and control through the use of brute force.

reply to post by azrael36


i can draw the line....

you are living outside the U.S. in a counttry that is known for supporting terrorists.

You are closly working with a known terrorist organization.

You have no plans on returning to the U.S.

You are an an immediate threat to the U.S. and it's troops abroad.

these's the line.

I dont think they are after some liberal bloggers and ant-gov. hippys.



...and publishing their intentions to kill them.

edited for spelling "country" without the "o" and having the "language censores " busting me...oops

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reply to post by wrathchild


The only problem with the line you have drawn is we have to take your word for it, and what is worse, we have to take this administrations word for it. There will be no trial so the truth may come out on public record, simply the say so of an administration just as comfortable with lying as the last administration, and the one before that, (well...I guess it depends on what your definition of is, is...), and the administration before that, and the one before that, and the one before that....

So just because the sympathy of these american citizens lie with that of the enemy. They are fit to be murdered? Because they are living in terrorististan and don't plan to come back stateside we can say screw their rights, murder them? Let's face it living in a third world country with the enemy really doesn't give them much of an advantage in helping the enemy... We have no valid reason for being in any of the "wars" we are currently waging. They were entered into on absolutely false premises.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I was just checking the list, and your listed as #23 . Someone is really not
happy with your consecutive plant photos showing several different kinds
of fungus on several different kinds of species no less. It wouldn't have been a
problem, but you decided to put them in consecutive order with the final picture
clearly showing slug/caterpillar damage. Then you tried to pass it off as chemical burn. You set yourself right into their sights.

Your right.....

But if every time the military sees an insurgent plant an IED and blows them up without a trial...do we need a trial..or "take their word for it"

as long as they are accountable...after the fact...

let the American public judge their actions..


A citizen, on U.S. soil deserves a trial...

if they choose to live and join terrorist operations in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan....they pretty much know the consequences anyway.

Originally posted by wrathchild
Your right.....

But if every time the military sees an insurgent plant an IED and blows them up without a trial...do we need a trial..or "take their word for it"

That's in a battlefield/warzone.

You are intentionally comparing apples to oranges.

The only kind of person who would do that as a means to confuse is someone out to have a good time online arguing for the hell of it.

reply to post by wrathchild


If the American is acting as an insurgent then that is one thing, but we have seen with this recent arrest of the Hutaree a rush to condemn people not for what the did do, but what they "might" do, and herein lies the problem with an open policy of assassination of American citizens. Today, it will be Americans deemed to be "insurgents" in a foreign land, and since we clearly have cheerleaders for such a policy, what brings tomorrow?

Originally posted by wrathchild


let the American public judge their actions..

And how are we supposed to judge them when we will be fed on horse crap, not facts?

Since when was Iraq a terrorist country? Since we took advantage of 9-11 to call it one? Those people may be "terrorists" to you, but in their mind, they are defending their country against a hostile enemy force that came into their country, bombed the crap out of their civilians to topple their government so that a group of very wealthy people could get their hands on their natural resources.

"Terrorism" is a matter of perspective. In the eyes of many people, here and abroad, the US is the one engaging in terrorism.

The reason they want to shoot them is because a trial would require that evidence be produced, and it may even allow public scrutiny of those facts. That might be inconvenient when you are manipulating your public by withholding facts, and spreading lies.

reply to post by ovenden


Well I figure if your working for Wall St. Extorting your fellow Americans,
charging them stratospheric interest on loans you get virtually for free
at the window, then you are a terrorist. A financial terrorist, but a threat to
National Security none the less. In fact you would even bet or place a put
against your own neighbors, friends, citizens, family and Nation. Yes, most
certainly you are a terrorist. Your mother told me so, after she found out you
ripped her off too. She and the rest of us will be paying taxes for your "bailout"
for the rest of our lives. I pledge to protect the people and constitution against
enemies foreign and domestic. Your on the list Pal.

reply to post by Exuberant1


not for the "hell of it"

I'm wondering if you think anybody should be on a "list"??

Perhaps there are people out there that are truly dangerous..and have the means of causing harm to innocent people...yet are outside the realm of proper justice.

I have no clue who is on this "list".. but I hope it people like I described above.

now if it "political" criminals...that's a different story.

My point being....I think the Gov. should have a list..if the right people are on it....thats all..

More lists, eh? Wonder how many Washington incumbents are sweating right now, with the mid-term election just 4 months away? Think maybe they'll try to assassinate the various free speech "terrorists" who are dogging their heels and thwarting their corrupt socialist agenda? Our esteemed officials better get on the ball and start murdering the hell out of us, there's not much time left.

Of course, when the people finally reclaim the reins of power, I fully expect public executions of the Washington Gestapo from both houses of Congress, as well as the sinister enforcers of the Obama administration, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

A guillotine would be a nice touch. Sons of bitches.

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reply to post by azrael36


Now That is open Minded Intelligent thinking outside the box.
Whats the old saying? "For Every Truth, The equally Opposite is True"

Interesting Perspective.

Originally posted by wrathchild
Your right.....

But if every time the military sees an insurgent plant an IED and blows them up without a trial...do we need a trial..or "take their word for it"

Ok that is a military operation. A pretty normal day in the life of a soldier deployed in a warzone. And no, there's no need for an accounting of that situation.
But sending a team of men to do nothing but to acquire, stalk and assasinate a citizen that has been placed on a list is not something that is done. The two operations are completely different in nature.
Now if said citizen was killed while placing the IED along with the insurgents, then they have become a casualty of war.

I'm pretty darn liberal..

I hate abuse of power.

absolute freedom is the only way.

the law should benefit everybody.

But I like the idea of a military willing to use un-savory things like "lists" to protect us from the real "criminals" or enemy's of the state.

Perhaps Bin-laden should have been on a list a long time ago...


I dont trust government.

but a drew MY line.

reply to post by wrathchild




You know What I'd do to Bin Laden if I caught him?

I'd give him his jury trial.

That's all.



*The Constitution and Bill of Rights are not something we can discard at a whim, or when some new enemy craps in our path.

You're either with us; The trial-having, Constitution-supporters, or you're with the terrorists and you hate America and want it to die.

Pretty simple when you get right down to it.

"If an American person or citizen is in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place, and they are trying to carry out attacks against U.S. interests, they also will face the full brunt of a U.S. response," Brennan continued. "What we need to do is to apply the appropriate tool and the appropriate response...quoted from article...


if this is the type of person that is targeted for "assination"...how is this any different than a lowly insurgent planting a roadside IED????

warzone justified "kill"

....I'm a bleeding heart liberal..but have a son in the military....get them before they get my son.