Originally posted by Amagnon
I think those who control the US care nothing for its people, and they would possibly retaliate against Russian or Chinese mainlands - that would be the end of the US entirely.

And yet another straw man argument. These rich people at the top of the U.S. food chain that supposedly care nothing for it's people, would be okay with it's own WORKFORCE THAT MAKES THEM RICH getting nuked?

The logic you people use (or rather, lack thereof) on this site is mind blowing.

Illusionsaregrander,ask the submariners on the Kursk,ooops,I forgot,you cant ask them,about the Torpedos the Ruskies sold to China,get the picture,but dont worry good old Canada provided the same weapon to the US via mother russia,AFTER THE KURSK WAS PURPOSEFULLY SANK BY A US WEAPON--and after the US president paid Russia the 10 billion it cost to build the sub.

Yes the torpedos deliver as promised,and yes they scare the hell out of the US.

A humanitarian future is where we are going,no organised religon,no regional boundaries,one world government,a global democracy.

And it seems to be easy to decide who has nukes and is crazy enough to use them,or is simply crazy enough to try to use them.

One world democracy and military,screww these little tyrants and the bleeding hearts who support NONHUMANITARIAN DIRECTED ENDEAVOURS.

We all know what democracy is based on,ACTION AS PER THE PEOPLE.

Yes we need to make some hard and fast decisions and steadfastly support those decisions,some eggs will get broken,BUT AS SPOCK ONCE SAID-----THE NEEDS OF THE MANY OUTWEIGH THE NEEDS OF THE FEW.

If you cant play on the worlds team,then you simply cant play anymore and there is no "other"sandbox to play in.

Originally posted by pjslug
These rich people at the top of the U.S. food chain that supposedly care nothing for it's people, would be okay with it's own WORKFORCE THAT MAKES THEM RICH getting nuked?

The logic you people use (or rather, lack thereof) on this site is mind blowing.

Umm. I know this isnt my argument, but we really arent that important to them as a workforce anymore. In fact, we arent even terribly important to them as consumers anymore.

Not that I am saying they DO want us nuked, I dont know that, but it would solve their entitlements problem (social security, etc.) and it isnt like they dont have tons of other countries full of people to hire and sell stuff too. The wealthy arent nationalistic. And us being nuked would pretty much open the door to them imposing martial law, and doing just about anything at all they wanted to with the whatever was left of the US. Our people would be shell shocked, terrified, and preoccupied.

So, I dont know if your argument is all that great either. No offense. American is just about bled dry as a source for wealth. Vampires dont tend to care what happens to the person they suck the life out of once they stop producing a good flow.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by pjslug
These rich people at the top of the U.S. food chain that supposedly care nothing for it's people, would be okay with it's own WORKFORCE THAT MAKES THEM RICH getting nuked?

The logic you people use (or rather, lack thereof) on this site is mind blowing.

Umm. I know this isnt my argument, but we really arent that important to them as a workforce anymore. In fact, we arent even terribly important to them as consumers anymore.

Not that I am saying they DO want us nuked, I dont know that, but it would solve their entitlements problem (social security, etc.) and it isnt like they dont have tons of other countries full of people to hire and sell stuff too. The wealthy arent nationalistic. And us being nuked would pretty much open the door to them imposing martial law, and doing just about anything at all they wanted to with the whatever was left of the US. Our people would be shell shocked, terrified, and preoccupied.

So, I dont know if your argument is all that great either. No offense. American is just about bled dry as a source for wealth. Vampires dont tend to care what happens to the person they suck the life out of once they stop producing a good flow.

Uh.... are you forgetting that they too would be living in a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland? I'm sure that's not exactly their idea of the good life. Or are they going to spend all of their money living underground like hermits?

Originally posted by pjslug

Originally posted by Amagnon
I think those who control the US care nothing for its people, and they would possibly retaliate against Russian or Chinese mainlands - that would be the end of the US entirely.

And yet another straw man argument. These rich people at the top of the U.S. food chain that supposedly care nothing for it's people, would be okay with it's own WORKFORCE THAT MAKES THEM RICH getting nuked?

The logic you people use (or rather, lack thereof) on this site is mind blowing.

You are assuming they want wealth - they have all the wealth already. Nope - it seems they want total control, and to wipe out most of the worlds population.

If they wanted wealth - I would agree your answer is logical - but the guys at the top don't need it. Rothschilds fortune is estimated at $500 trillion - he could basically buy the US - nope he wants his plan to be fulfilled - he wants to enact Armageddon as described in the bible - so he can bring Jesus back and be a God.

Originally posted by Dynamitrios

Fidel Castro IS a very intuitive and well thought man. Dont fall for the propaganda of our countries against him

He is a murdering despot, who doesn't even care about his own people... But go ahead and keep drinking that cool-aid... You are probably another one of those lefties who thinks every Cuban who left the island is "an imperialist CIA agent"....

Illusionsaregrander,dont want to rock the boat,but it will have to be religon based ideology in the form of a humanitarian focus that iniatiates this change,religons must be brought together by SOMEONE,there is one man or woman out there who can and will do this.

A global democracy MUST be humanitarian in nature and intent .

And a humanitarian perspective is exactly like a religon that eliminates the divinity LIES,and re-empowers humanity with the ability to be accountable for itself in every way possible.This is what we need and that is how we get it.

Believe it or not one of my relatives was a founder of a new age religon that has members worldwide numbering in the tens of millions,YET OUR FAMILY TRADITIONS FORBID THE INDOCTRINATION OF CHILDREN WITH RELIGOUS IDEOLOGY.It is considered to be extremely damaging to remove a childs ability to excercise free will and to experience the burdens and beauties of being 100% accountable for the actions we are priveliged enough to be able to initiate during our lives.I wish god could have saved me from my Grandmothers big wooden spoon hitting my bottom when I was a naughty young boy.

We need to bring them all together and show them how all of their religos doctrines SAY THE EXACT SAME THINGS.

And that ONLY BY PUTTING ALL OF THESE DOCTRINES TOGETHER CAN WE REVEAL WHO OUR TRUE CREATORS ARE----ONLY BY DECIPHERING EACH DOCTRINE AND SIFTING THROUGH IT TO FIND THE UNIQUE PIECES IN EACH CAN WE COMPLETE THE WHOLE PUZZLE.

The real kicker is that YOU REALLY DO REQUIRE ALL OF THE MAJOR DOCTRINES TO PIECE THE TRUE PUZZLE TOGETHER----SO WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER OR REMAIN IGNORANT OF OUR CREATION.I must stress that there is no DIVINITY here,none of these doctrines EVER INCLUDED THE CONCEPT OF A DIVINE ENTITY OR GOD.

This doesnt mean there is no god,it means there is no divine all forgiving all powerfull and all knowing entity-- we havent been looking in the right places to answer our questions regarding our creation.We have to consider ourselves to be one with the natural universe before we can begin to seek our creators.Now we think we are somehow "because of this nutty divine god idea"above or seperate from nature.The lies of mathematics and religon have blinded us.

Please remember that religon is simply mans way of creating a common language in order to explain the unknowns and quell his fears of mother nature.

Please remember that mathematics are simply a method of creating a language that allows us to put these concepts we have OBSERVED about natures processes and shapes into a "physical communication"or a REPLICATION OF A NATURAL PROCESS OR SHAPE---in a way that we can all share in our cumulative reality..

EVERYTHING IS NATURE BASED.

We need to start there if we are to discover the facts of our creation,AND BELIEVE ME ----THERE ARE FACTS AVAILABLE ---IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

I have already done this and have my interpretation of the answer,you may also give yourself the same opportunity by reverse extrapolating the truth out of each doctrine and combining your results,or if you are really talented just use two doctrines,the fewer you use the more difficult the commonalities and differences are to find.





[edit on 29-6-2010 by one4all]

nuclear weapon is like the reset button, god knows how many time we wiped ourselves out.

maybe this time they're just using it to reduce the population by billions or just start over completely with the best of our kind as survivors.