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Third US carrier, 4,000 Marines augment US armada opposite Iran

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posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by kindred
reply to post by minkey53
 


Wake up and smell the coffee, the queen does not care about the people of this country. Funny how the majority of the people wanted a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and yet the queen went ahead and signed it anyway, without consulting the British people. So much for being a servant of the people. Off with the traitors head.


www.independent.co.uk...


The Queen did not sign the lisbon treaty without a referendum... It was Labour Bloody Gordon Brown.....

The Queen had to uphold her duty as head of state. In other words she can not interfere with the decisions directly of her government.

Korg.

[edit on 30-6-2010 by Korg Trinity]




posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 12:06 PM
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Missiles attacking carriers. Ever heard of CIWS? that's a carriers LAST line of defense. They are also equipped with RAM (rolling airframe missiles) which hit anti ship missiles. Sea Sparrow surface to air missiles. Do you think that the carrier is the ONLY ship in the gulf? There are ships and planes that have the sole mission of supporting and defending the carrier. Not one missile will touch a carrier.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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CHECK your SOURCES before posting such FALSE "NEWS"...

1) Debka is a DISINFORMATION ZIONIST Website well known for spewing GARBAGE all the time...

2) Twice a year when the US carrier on duty with the 5th Fleet finishes its 6 months tour, the same FALSE "NEWS" appear of a naval build up in the Persian Gulf...

3) The US Navy reports its Status of force daily, which is easily checked to prove that Debka is LYING as usual...

Ships Underway as of June 30, 2010

Carriers:

USS Nimitz (CVN 68) - Pacific Ocean
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) - 5th Fleet
USS George Washington (CVN 73) - Pacific Ocean
USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) - 5th Fleet
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) - visit Pearl Harbor

Amphibious Warfare Ships:

USS Nassau (LHA 4) - 5th Fleet
USSPeleliu (LHA 5) - visit Darwin
USS Wasp (LHD 1) - visit Halifax
USS Essex (LHD 2) - Sea of Japan
USS Boxer (LHD 4) - Pacific Ocean
USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6) - visit Pearl Harbor
USS Makin Island (LHD 8) - Pacific Ocean

www.navy.mil...

So, carrier Eisenhower is being replaced by carrier Truman, as per rotation schedule...

www.gonavy.jp...

4) All Amphibious Assault ships, LHA and LHD would be required if an attack on Iran were to take place, in order to secure the North coast of the Strait of Hormuz and prevent the firing of anti-ship missiles hidden in rocky caves there, which would close the Strait to all navigation...

Yet, except for the LHA Nassau, all the others are busy elsewhere...

5) LOGICAL CONCLUSION: you wasted our time posting LIES from Debka, as there is clearly nothing going on around Iran in spite of the Zionists best wishes...



Originally posted by i944002

Third US carrier, 4,000 Marines augment US armada opposite Iran


www.debka.com

debkafile's military sources report that Washington has posted a third carrier opposite Iran's shores. It is supported by amphibious assault ships and up to 4,000 Navy and Marine Corps personnel, bringing the total US strength in these waters to three carriers and 10,000 combat personnel.
(visit the link for the full news article)



[edit on 30-6-2010 by Solace]



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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none of what unfolds here forth will be what it seams well at leaste they didnt nuke NYC which was supposed to be the false flag but im not there anymore they made me come home to england who knows maybee theyll nuke it when the queens there all the number ones being wiped of the face of the earth so the number twos can run riot well makes a change from a dick and a pussy mr bush i guess we might have the obamanation that causes desolation after all but ill tell this much i do know the real powers that be are not human they just buy off the human souls with promises of power and money and advanced technologies all made for war of course think of what we once called Angels and Demons as modern day "ALIENS" and have the aforementioned humans though there demons underneath bit like being worn as puppets start world war three gather them all together in one place then well let the what is written be completed in a nice epic BIBLICAL story
i guess itll be more epic than BEN HUR but bollocks to it anything to turn the age and bring PEACE TRUTH and LOVE to the human race just all i ask is PLEASE GOD MAKE IT QUICK .



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 02:25 PM
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i guess we just cant aviod our own predetermined pre written history even if some do call it prophecy now matter how dark and dire it may be but perhaps then we may truly know TRUTH and LIGHT for i so want the children of the earth to grow up gracefully with equal being in a beautiful peacefull loving world that is born out of truth and justice and its essance just radiates good throughout the universe.IMAGINE!!! its easy if you try



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by brutalsun
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
 


Missiles attacking carriers. Ever heard of CIWS? that's a carriers LAST line of defense. They are also equipped with RAM (rolling airframe missiles) which hit anti ship missiles. Sea Sparrow surface to air missiles. Do you think that the carrier is the ONLY ship in the gulf? There are ships and planes that have the sole mission of supporting and defending the carrier. Not one missile will touch a carrier.


Yes I have heard about CIWS and SeaRam missles. I have studied their engagement envelopes limits and everything having to do with them. There are certian limited defense that you can expect with a CIWS, the new one has i believe 85 deg altitude protection...off the top of my head... Belive me I have stuied all of this and I an tell you that a carrier battle group (includeing the aegis ship) can be defeated if you go about it smart. So I have heard about CIWS a long time ago, so there.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by wfaherty
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
 

The Sunburn SS-25 has a range of only 60nm,the longest ranged Anti-ship missiles were the Russian SS-19 and SS16 which had a range of 250 and 300 nm respectively,US Carrier aircraft are trained to defend against them.
So if the Carriers sit more than 300 nm away the Iranians cannot touch them without using aircraft and missiles they do not possess.and as for 20-30 incoming missile what do you think a Aegis Bunker Hill class cruiser (96 sams)does or the Burke class destroyers (61 sams) do??
just sit there??.
Anti ship missiles need a radar or a IR lock to attack a target,back during the cold war the Soviets used to have a Kashin class missile Destroyer follow the Carrier I was on all thru the Med 5-8 nm back,it's job was to turn and run while lobbing 4 nuclear tipped missiles at the carrier if the cold war got hot.


If you lob 30 missles at an aegis, the aegis does not have a 100% hit rate, one misslie out of 30 SIMULTANEOUS attacking will get through and hit its radar. Believe me that the missles will be homing into the AN-SPY1 radar. One hit on the radar and the ship becomes useless. Heck even a torpedo from a stealthy diesel electric sub can render it useless and the entire CBG is defenseless. After the aegis expends all its missles what are they going to do? Throw rocks at the incoming missles?



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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Won't it be nice to see the school ground bully getting a bloody nose from the little guy.

reply to post by Korg Trinity
 


As i understand it the Queen has to sign every new law and she is in charge of the crown and the square mile, city of London and they don't pay taxes and have their own special rules.

The queen is a lot more than the rubber stamp they want you to think she is according to a documentary i watched but it's hard to pull facts from fiction.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Wouldn't it be a wonder if Israel fought it's own battles with the U.S. involved....



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 05:03 PM
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US carriers, LHA and LHD will all be toasts, thanks to the Iranian Sunburn, Yakhont and Klub-S supersonic anti-ships missiles, courtesy of Russia and delivered from mobile ramps onshore, fast missiles boats and Kilo Class submarines

Also Iran has a fleet of UAV's loaded with explosives, ideal to take out communication and radar antennas on ships and land...

www.washingtontimes.com...

The US is so scared of the Iranian supersonic missiles that they resist building any more carriers until a solution is found. Unfortunately, as the speed of the next generation of anti-ships missiles will jump from Mach 2.5 to Mach 8 (new Yakhont/Brahmos version), there is nothing the US can do: large ships will disappear the same way as the DINOSAURS...

The U.S. Navy, after nearly six years of warnings from Pentagon testers, still lacks a plan for defending aircraft carriers against a supersonic Russian-built missile, according to current and former officials and Defense Department documents...

..In the memo, McQuery said that unless the Sizzler threat was addressed, his office wouldn't approve test plans necessary for production to begin on several other projects, including Northrop Grumman Corp.'s new $35.8 billion CVN-21 aircraft-carrier project; the $36.5 billion DDG-1000 destroyer project being developed by Northrop and General Dynamics Corp.; and two Raytheon Corp. projects, the $6 billion Standard Missile-6 and $1.1 billion Ship Self Defense System...


www.bloomberg.com...

Iranian Kilo Class submarines are equipped with the Klub-S, the submarine version of the Sizzler and are completely undetectable by US vessel at speed of 5 knots, or less: see post #655...

www.irandefence.net...

Thanks to its well developed asymmetric warfare capability, that include hundreds of long range cruise missiles reverse engineered on the KH-55 obtained from Ukraine and its Chinese EM-52 smart mines, Iran is unlikely to be attacked any time soon...



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[edit on 30-6-2010 by Solace]



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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I love the saying "History repeats itself".
Iraq had been in the eyes of the beholders of this world for many years and also was a target of the IAEA. During which time sanctioned reigned supreme and rhetoric ran wild. Speculation reared its ugly head from all sides talking about war and when it will happen. Everyone knew it was inevitable.

In the end, Iraq was eventually invaded because they had Nuclear weapons and were aiding terrorists and had to be stopped at all costs or else the world would be far worse, then it is right now. (I beg to differ but thats another debate).

Now we have Iran...target of the IAEA, sanctioned, talks of war, talks of them aiding terrorists, talks of them being nuclear...

History repeats itself, don't act surprised.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 07:33 PM
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lets see what X General Pertreas leaks out after is Resignation...



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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I starred you above but this seems pretty rediculous. There isn't a country in the world with technology remotely possible of sinking one of our carriers. China is close but only b/c they can overwhelm the defenses with so many jets. Even that though wouldn't be very strategic or cost effective and would leave them supremely vulnerable in any further fighting.

Russia is far beyond it's hayday and the only thing going for them is the Cold War Legacy which provides them a bit of intimidation factor. In reality, they are simply using the time honoured tradition of misdirection, misinformation, and generally the fog of war. They say they are strong, everyone believes them b/c they once were, hence nobody challenges them. They are no stronger than any other European country and their large arsenal of Cold War Era weapons is outdated and outmatched by several generations of American Advances.

Moral of this story, the weapons they have supplied Iran are far outmatched so Iran has no chance. No carrier will get sunk. Iran still uses LOUD diesel submarines, our nuclear subs will sink them before they even know we are in the same ocean as them so Iran has no chance. Russia, dispite their best diplomatic threats, will stay out b/c they know the truth of their force readiness, thus Iran has no chance. China doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds them so dispite their best diplomatic threats, they will not get involved, hence Iran gets destroyed again.

Iran doesn't have anything going for them. It is insane to think otherwise.;

HOWEVER, ALL OF THESE POINTS ARE MOOT B/C THE DEBKA FILE IS SIMPLY WRONG AND OUTDATED! There are not 3 Carrier Groups in that area. You can see our fleet movements on the US Navy Websites and specific ships websites. This, for the most part isn't classified information, in fact quite the opposite, our leaders would prefer to intimidate our enemies into submission just like the Russians would.

[edit on 30-6-2010 by memarf1]



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
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Before they jump to the conclusion of war with Iran, consider that there are operations still in Iraq, Afganistan and Pakistan. The carriers are often in a group of ships, not on its own:
1 Aircraft Carrier, 2 Guided Missile Cruisers, 2 Anti Aircraft Warships,and 1-2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigates
And that is not including the support vesels either. If this was a percursor to war, then I would think that they would have LVN's included, and medical ships, along with a whole host of other logistics not mentioned here.
What I believe all that is going on, is to make a show of force to keep the Iranians on their toes and to get them to back down a bit.



Okay I will weigh in here. Former US Navy Operations Specialist Chief now retired (June 1st, 2009) with 20 years, 1 month, and 26 days active duty service. So please forgive me if I fail to mention sources with my "claims" here as I am going off of experience.

To keep it short and sweet...the typical "Battle Group" (when I refer to BG I am referring to the traditional US Naval Carrier BG here) consists of 1-CVN Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier, 1 to 2 CG/CGN Cruisers (for AAW or Anti-Air Warfare), 2 or 3-DDG Guided Missle Destroyers (for ASW or USW basically Anti-Submarine Warfare). The navy USED to have a couple FF's and FFG's (the BEST ship the Navy ever had if ya ask me...now ask me what my 1st ship was in the Navy lol) and those were Frigates (Conventional and Guided Missile) but they are no more in our modern Navy.

AND...1 (ALWAYS 1 but sometimes 2) SSB/SSBN Fast Attack Nuclear Submarines. How many even I didn't know and I worked in CIC or Combat Information Center (nerve center of ANY naval ship where radars are operated, tactical air control, missile fire control....basically where the ship is fought from in the event of battle)...so I have 12+ years working in there (8 years I had spent attached to JSOC or Joint Special Operations Command after I had been recruited from the traditional naval ranks in 1998 until I retired). BUT...my 12 years working in CIC and many numerous deployments under my belt and NONE OF US WERE EVER PRIVY TO WHERE "OUR" SUB was located, or how many we had in company as that is kept TIPPY TOP SECRET.

BUT rest assured there is minimum atleast 1 sub for ever BG.


NOW...the "other BG" is called an ESG or Expeditionary Strike Group. That "little baby carrier" I had seen someone refer to is in fact an LHA or LHD which is an Amphibious Assault Ship whose air wing is made up of AV-8 Harrier Jets, CH-53/CH-46 helo troop transports basically. It has a "Well Deck" that can ballast down into the water and open up the Stern Gate to deploy 3 LCAC's or Landing Craft Air Cushion (or hovercrafts as they are known), Marine Amphibious Transport LARC's/LARV/LMU's etc..

Now the ESG is also escorted pretty similar as the traditional Battle Group is...however the roles of each group are vastly different. We all pretty much know what a naval BG does in time of war, so that is pretty self explanatory...an ESG's primary mission is something we call Littoral Warfare, or warfare that involves the crossing of where water meets land. I.E. Marines assaulting the beach with fire suppression cover.

Okay this getting long enough....basically could 2 carrier BG's and 1 ESG be "enough" to launch an invasion? You bet your ass they could. So yes be concerned...I am :-/

So THAT is



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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Maybe they're sending the aircraft carriers ahead of the next HAARP strike, just like they did in Haiti? We all remember the 2 aircraft carriers, allegedly carrying out humanitarian 'exercises' yet filled to the brim with soldiers and marines.
Obviously this time in the gulf, they are merely conducting more 'exercises' and will just happen to conveniently 'be in the area', should an earthquake hit.
I do hope I am wrong on this one.
Let's see.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by Solace

The US is so scared of the Iranian supersonic missiles that they resist building any more carriers until a solution is found.


What are you talking about? The George H.W. Bush Nimitz Class Supercarrier just took service last year! These are 6 billion dollar ships, its not like we build one every week or something! We had budgeted for 10 of these and the GHWB was the last one to be built. We don't need more. We scrapped our battleships and built the Aegis destroyers in the 90's and we simply don't need anything new at this time.

Its not that we don't have a solution, its that we don't need more boats!

[edit on 30-6-2010 by memarf1]



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by one4all

And you dont hear anyone on these forums referring to the President or the Prime Minister in those terms,so this indicates that this individual is also a coward who prefers to insult women of power,sounds like the person had an overbearing parent.


The queen is scum, the president is scum, the prime minister of the Uk then and now is scum.

Well - now you have heard it.

As far as I have been able to ascertain, it was the queen and phillip that ordered Diana killed.

If you can't get over your programming to support the royalty, and realize it is just that - brainwashing - then you just need it challenged more often.

If you want people to look up to, try the following list;

Ron Paul
Nigel Farage
Brigitte Jonsdottir
Max Kieser
Peter Schiff

There are others, but these are my favorites - gentlemen(woman), scholars and generals.


[edit on 30-6-2010 by Amagnon]



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 10:39 PM
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AND...1 (ALWAYS 1 but sometimes 2) SSB/SSBN Fast Attack Nuclear Submarines. How many even I didn't know and I worked in CIC or Combat Information Center (nerve center of ANY naval ship where radars are operated, tactical air control, missile fire control....basically where the ship is fought from in the event of battle)...so I have 12+ years working in there (8 years I had spent attached to JSOC or Joint Special Operations Command after I had been recruited from the traditional naval ranks in 1998 until I retired). BUT...my 12 years working in CIC and many numerous deployments under my belt and NONE OF US WERE EVER PRIVY TO WHERE "OUR" SUB was located, or how many we had in company as that is kept TIPPY TOP SECRET.

BUT rest assured there is minimum atleast 1 sub for ever BG.



I'm ex Navy too, and I mentioned the same thing a few pages ago, I was an MM3 on the Lincoln CVN72. I told these yay hoos that they forgot the Fast Attack!

I think that this is just for show. Can't let Iran think they can just say No to the UN, now can we?

I think it would be hard to hit a carrier nowadays but not that hard, technology gets better every day so to say that a carrier wouldn't get hit is silly.

BUT....you don't have to kill the carrier, we had those godawful NBC GQ's where we had a 'simulated' cloud of Biowarfare agent and we had to don those damn masks, as well as shut off all that nice A/C we had in the Gulf.

So, if Iran were to hit a carrier with a Nuke, or Bio, or Chem warfare attack, I am sure there would be casualties, possibly disable the ship, but it would have to be a surprise attack for sure.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 10:45 PM
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Would be a good guess .... with

3 Aircraft Carrier - 240 fighter jets
6 Guided Missile Cruisers
6 Destroyers
3 Frigate
6 Submarines
3 Supply Ship
3 Marine carries and personnel.


Ohhh yeh its game on if something happens.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by memarf1

Originally posted by Solace

The US is so scared of the Iranian supersonic missiles that they resist building any more carriers until a solution is found.


What are you talking about? The George H.W. Bush Nimitz Class Supercarrier just took service last year! These are 6 billion dollar ships, its not like we build one every week or something! We had budgeted for 10 of these and the GHWB was the last one to be built. We don't need more. We scrapped our battleships and built the Aegis destroyers in the 90's and we simply don't need anything new at this time.

Its not that we don't have a solution, its that we don't need more boats!

[edit on 30-6-2010 by memarf1]


Your right he has no clue guess what theres another carrier in the works and we havnt even finished testing CVN-77 George H.W. Bush. There called ford class carriers. The carrier class is allways named after the first ship of the series. CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford 2015 Ford-class supercarrier, lead ship Keel laid


And if you look at the stats for these ship

Name: USS Gerald R. Ford
Namesake: Gerald R. Ford
Awarded: 10 September 2008
Builder: Northrop Grumman Newport News
Cost: $5.1 billion
Laid down: 13 November 2009[1]
Sponsored by: Susan Ford[2]
Commissioned: est. 2015
Status: Under construction
General characteristics
Class and type: Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier
Displacement: appx. 100,000 tons
Length: 1,092 ft (333 m)
Beam: 134 ft (41 m)
Propulsion: 2 × A1B reactor
Speed: 30+ knots
Range: Essentially unlimited distance; 20 years
Complement: 4,660
Armament: Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile
Rolling Airframe Missile
Close-in weapons system (CIWS)
Aircraft carried: More than 75



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