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Third US carrier, 4,000 Marines augment US armada opposite Iran

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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 04:11 PM
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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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I wrote about hundred of thousands of Veterans on benefits: I should have said in the millions when outstanding claims are close to 1/2 million....

VBA, the branch of the Department of Veterans Affairs that dispenses aid and assistance to veterans and their families, is simply overwhelmed. It reported on Monday that there are 481,751 pending claims, some of which will take more than a year to be processed.

www.washingtontimes.com...

Soldiers get rotated all the time and at least 1.5 million DIFFERENT soldiers served in Iraq...

I used to keep track of Veterans applications because it showed that the number of injured soldiers was grossly under reported...

The VA Dpt employs over 1/4 million personel...

It is the United States government’s second largest department, after the United States Department of Defense.[1] With a total 2009 budget of about $87.6 billion, VA employs nearly 280,000 people at hundreds of Veterans Affairs medical facilities, clinics, and benefits offices and is responsible for administering programs of veterans’ benefits for veterans, their families, and survivors.

It's pointless to discuss tactics and military capabilities with posters who don't have a clear understanding of such matters...



Originally posted by memarf1
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Stop with the "Hundreds of Thousands" talk, see my above link. Wounded is around 30k and killed isn't very high either, although I think both are too high if they are more than 0. You need to relax, we probably won't do a land invasion and while Egypt and other local region countries may be pushing us to attack we only have 1 carrier in the area. If we attack, we are most likely going to stay far enough offshore to defend our ships, we will send missiles from afar and have several subs there to outnumber and destroy any underwater forces or fast surface vessels.


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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Well, here is the Iran Airforce: en.wikipedia.org...

They have a grand total of about 100 jets that are comparable to our preveious generation of craft, including 44 F-14's. haha. Very funny to think they have a shot. Their craft use 30 year old technology and they have no chance of swarming, especially since we are using F-18's and F-35's. Not only that but we have roughly 3700 aircraft in our arsenal worldwide. I think this conversation is funny. They don't have a chance!

Wait for it, here is the link to their navy:
en.wikipedia.org...
Also far far weaker than the US navy. hahaha.

Last bit of info, we usually attack from 400 miles offshore and the best Iranian weapons go 500km, roughly 311 miles. hahaha
www.fas.org...



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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 04:46 PM
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Iran has thousands of better cruise missiles reverse engineered from the 12 KH-55 they bought from Ukraine, which would rain their 400 kilo payload of high explosives all over Zion and US bases in the region...


A million cruise missiles, fired by the 12th Imam himself, can not touch a sub. Any sub.




Iran has also containerized its missiles for delivery to countries far away... from innocent looking cargo ships...


Ditto my statement above.




Even the Sizzler supersonic missile is available in groups of 4 units set up inside a container...


Yeah, this includes supersonic, subsonic, hypersonic, chronic. You can't shoot what you can't see.




The US subs alone would not make it past the fields of smart EM-52 mines that Iran bought by the thousands from China...


Yes, those do look formidable. However, I beleive the Navy has assets to minimize or neutralize this threat. Using a sub to find mines is not an option. I think it its safe to assume the US Navy has been training for just this scenario;

Critical Mine Countermeasure Capabilities Delivered to US Navy




"With AN/AQS-20A and AMNS, we are delivering a comprehensive, end-to-end solution - detect to neutralize - enabling the Navy to safely and effectively execute its mission without risk to its ships or crews," said IDS' Charles "Tom" Bush, vice president of Seapower Capability Systems.


www.defencetalk.com...

www.public.navy.mil...

acquisition.navy.mil... - Powered by Google Docs

Not to mention the Dolphins!



So, to sum it up.

I believe with those 4 subs(over 600 cruise missles, 250 Spec Ops soldiers), 2 carriers, the assorted US Airforce assets in the region coupled with IAF assets and Israeli Spec Forces, Iran's defenses can be subdued enough for a strike on their nuclear, chemical, and biological infrastructure.

With enough left over for some complimentary strikes on the IRGC. Maybe even a few for the President.

I do not condone or condemn this action, just an observer. But we gotta keep it real.

Iran will have its victories, no doubt. But in the end, there is no stopping a strike against their homeland.

You are however, entitled to your opinion.

[edit on 1-7-2010 by ErEhWoN]

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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 04:48 PM
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Lets see? Taking the F-22 stats by comparison, you are saying that our typical airshow envoy of 4 or 5 fighters could wipe out the entire Iranian Airforce without actually calling in the real troops? I agree.


Lets say we fielded 8 F-22's and 8 F-35's, and 8 B-2's (launched from our mainland no less), and support by one Carrier Group escorted by one Nuclear Sub.

We send in the fast moving, stealthy F-22's and F-35's and take out all the smaller targets before they can launch any anti-aircraft missiles or shrapnel. Our fast movers are in and out before they know an attack is afoot. Then we send a barrage of long-range missiles at their radar and anti-aircraft sites that are now lit up looking for our guys. Then after we have destroyed all those main sites, we send the B-2's to lite up the remaining targets from an altitude unreachable from any of Iran's weapons. Then, we begin negotiating their surrender, or we threaten to turn the IDF loose on their soil? Sound good?



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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Specs show both Russian and Chinese fighters outclass US fighters.


Could you please post those specs?

I could not find them anywhere. I was not even aware of Russian (or Chinese) 4.5 generation fighters, let alone 5th Gen.

They MUST be stealth, they evaded my radar! But I love high-tech fighters, could you please post some pics, links, specs?



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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Sure, the US could use nukes, as long as it doesn't mind being nuked back...

There is ample evidence that Iran has already bought a number of ready-made nukes...

www.irandefence.net...

...And that it can deliver them to New York or Washington...

www.irandefence.net...

Iran can detect the B2 from 600 to 800 kilometers away, thanks to its Kolchuga passive radar batteries, the choice mean of detecting stealthy aircrafts, also used by Russia in conjunction with missiles and fighters defense...

www.irandefence.net...

Iran has some 350 planes of various description, including Sukhoi, Mig-29 and French Mirage. Also around 50 F-14 Tomcats, one of the best fighters ever built with long range radars and attack missiles have been kept in excellent fighting condition...

Anyway, the B2 is only $1.5 BILLION a pop, a trivial amount compared to the multi-trillion US bank rescue...

Iran is full of ASYMMETRIC surprises for the uninitiated and this is why it won't be attacked any time soon, in spite of the best wishes of the Zionists and other assorted war mongers...






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posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by svpwizard
the gulf already clearly shows that the US an allies don't do it better than the sand jockeys (home field always has advantage) and can't!

Yes, Iraq proved that home field advantage is clearly superior. They taught those Americans a thing or two. Half the comments in this thread appear to come straight from Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf.


  • "There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
  • "We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."
  • "I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad."

    [edit on 1-7-2010 by dbates]



  • posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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    Iran is full of ASYMMETRIC surprises for the uninitiated and this is why it won't be attacked any time soon, in spite of the best wishes of the Zionists and other assorted war mongers...


    The only asymmetry here is your belief in the chances of the Iranian military.

    Ever heard of the Marianas turkey shoot? We would be able to change it to Persian Gulf Turkey Shoot.

    The US just has too many assets. Not to denigrate the fighting spirit of their military, but spirit cant block thousands of missles/bombs from finding their targets in the Persian desert.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.

    But you are entitled to your opinion.



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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    LOL, now that was funny!

    I remember that like it was yesterday. He should have been a used car salesman, he would have made a fortune!



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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    Only PROBLEM is that none of the F-22 or F-35 have ever seen combat, which is strange for the F-22 and may have to do with its reputation as a dog...

    In mock combat in India, the Sukhois have been proven far superior to the F-15 and F-16...

    During the "Cope India '04" exercise (2004), USAF F-15 Eagles were pitted against Indian Air Force Su-30MKs, Mirage 2000s, MiG-29s and elderly MiG-21. The results have been widely publicized, with the Indians winning "90% of the mock combat missions".... The article goes on to state that a retired Indian Air Force General stated that: "The Sukhoi is a... better plane than the F-16." The USAF was said to be “most impressed by the MiG-21 Bisons and the Su-30 MKIs”...

    The Zionist planes had total control over the Lebanese airspace, yet they lost the war against a determined and SELFLESS group of defenders, so more is NOT necessarily better...






    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 05:39 PM
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    I see that you seem to have a fixation about submarines...

    Fortunately, Iran has several Kilo Class subs armed with carrier-killer Klub-S supersonic missiles, also capable of laying the EM-52 smart mines...

    see posts #655 and 657

    www.irandefence.net...

    Iran also has a large number of minisubs armed with the super-fast Skval torpedoes...

    www.irandefence.net...

    Mines clearing vessels will have to contend with these and the hundreds of anti-ships missiles batteries hidden in rocky caves onshore, so the best bet seems to send in the dolphins in teams to locate and tow the mines away...

    I wonder if this is part of their training...


    Originally posted by ErEhWoN
    reply to post by Solace
     





    Iran has thousands of better cruise missiles reverse engineered from the 12 KH-55 they bought from Ukraine, which would rain their 400 kilo payload of high explosives all over Zion and US bases in the region...


    A million cruise missiles, fired by the 12th Imam himself, can not touch a sub. Any sub.



    www.defencetalk.com...

    www.public.navy.mil...

    acquisition.navy.mil... - Powered by Google Docs

    Not to mention the Dolphins!



    Iran will have its victories, no doubt. But in the end, there is no stopping a strike against their homeland.

    You are however, entitled to your opinion.

    [edit on 1-7-2010 by ErEhWoN]

    [edit on 1-7-2010 by ErEhWoN]



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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    Originally posted by Solace





    You might as well delete the entire post, as the contents are clearly not to someone's liking...

    Surely, there was some material, other than the quote that could have remained...

    In the circumstance, I'm done posting on this thread, as every post is systematically truncated or mutilated with retroactive effects to hide the information I'm providing...

    Not good for the reputation of ATS...



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 06:07 PM
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    If anything the Cope India Exercises should be an indicator of our probable success against Iran. We get the opportunity to train with many different military units around the world but Iran does not have the luxury of that diversity. We get to learn how others think and fight and how they may react to our tactics. Iran must train with themselves and don't have the chance to see others in action.

    Additionally, it makes no sense to continue to post the links to the irandefense.net stuff. That is a blog and if you want us to see the information as legitimate you should provide us links to the sources of your claims.

    Bottom line, there are not 3 groups in the area, there is one and it is all that would be needed to eliminate Iran from the map.

    [edit on 1-7-2010 by memarf1]



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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    debka is notoriouly unreliable. This was on another thread, but I suppose it bears repeating. All that's happened here is that one Carrier Strike Group has relieved another. This happens about every six months like clockwork and has for at least a decade. There is ALWAYS one Carrier Strike Group in the 5th fleet AOR (Area of Responsibility) and ALWAYS one Marine Expeditionary Group in the area at any given time. They are there to support the US "mission" in Iraq and Afghaniustan, and probably not incidentally, the flow of oil.

    As of tomorrow CVN-69, the Dwight Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group, is relieved of responsibility in the 5th fleet AOR and will be travelling up the Suez Canal, across the Med, and to its homeport of Norfolk, VA.

    It is true that if you see three CVN-type carriers in the middle east at once, there might be trouble ahead, but a carrier is 100,000 tons and an LHA-type flattop for Marine helicopters and Harriers is more like 60,000 tons. Counting an LHA as a 'third carrier,' particularly when this is a scheduled relief operation, is making a big mistake.

    Six months from now the same thing will happen again. Someone will figure out a CVN is going to relieve the USS Truman, and we'll have to deal with the sky falling yet again.

    If you want an accurate intelligence site, ditch debka and go to stratfor.com. If you can pay their subscription price, you can have your own private CIA.



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 06:34 PM
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    Originally posted by Solace
    Sure, the US could use nukes, as long as it doesn't mind being nuked back...

    There is ample evidence that Iran has already bought a number of ready-made nukes...

    ...And that it can deliver them to New York or Washington...

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    Wow that would be in violation of the UN mandates meaning there a bigger threat then then i thought. Maybe we should nuke them and save time. Seriously they havnt got the ability to attack the United States with nukes this is internet rumors.


    Iran can detect the B2 from 600 to 800 kilometers away, thanks to its Kolchuga passive radar batteries, the choice mean of detecting stealthy aircrafts, also used by Russia in conjunction with missiles and fighters defense...


    Do you even have a clue what the Kolchuga passive radar batteries are first there not radar this is a misnomer. They are recievers built to detect aircraft by there radio signatures. Heres the kicker when B2 turns off its com no radio signature. Oh and where you aware its detection range is limited by line-of-sight but may be up to 800 km (500 miles) for very high altitude, very powerful emitters. but B2 has directed coms so it wont see it.


    Iran has some 350 planes of various description, including Sukhoi, Mig-29 and French Mirage. Also around 50 F-14 Tomcats, one of the best fighters ever built with long range radars and attack missiles have been kept in excellent fighting condition...



    Wow your sources must be awesome do you realize they have had to cannibalize there f14s for parts. currently only 20 available for flight the other 30 is parts. The f1s your talking about werent bought they were stolen for one or borrowed maybe? The mirages they have were from the Iraqi airforce and were flown to iran to hide them after the rest of them were destroyed. Wondering why they havnt returned these to iraq i believe that unfair. But aside from that they were little threat and died quickly. Now the mig 29s nice fighters really are but again iran has problems first they dont get the same version Russia uses in there air force so the forward looking infrared target aquisition system is sub par and limited. Second this craft is fly by wire so in a dog fight there toast. These are standoff craft come in fast shoot missiles leave. Effective for bomber attacks against fighter aircraft there dead. (see Iraq )

    I could go on about Irans air force but to give you an idea Iraq had a larger air force and better i might add and Air superiority was acheived within 24 hrs. So if Irans relying on there air force there in deep trouble.




    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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    All you big mouth patriots forget that those hundred thousand or so US soldiers in afghanistan would be dead in 24hrs if iran is attacked. Is the US ready to accept those losses?...

    [edit on 7/1/2010 by skajkingdom]



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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    Sad to say I think that's a risk that the U.S. is more than willing to take. I often think that the troops in S. Korea are nothing more than a trigger to give a reason to bomb N. Korea if they invade. There's hardly enough there to defend from an actual attack.



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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    When I think of Iran's defenses,

    I see containers on a freighter off the US Coast, or docked in Baltimore. Containing missiles.
    I see containers rising up out of sand dunes..like the great worms in Dune.

    In Iran each has their day job and their military post. A Holy Man might be a helicopter pilot. Women are trained for AK-47.



    posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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    I am curious how you expect Iran to kill those 100,000 troops that are spread all over that entire country. To do that they would have to virtually light up the entire landscape and even the US has not been able to do that in this war. Sure, Iran may decide not to defend itself and take an aggressive posture by attacking Afghanistan, but even that would only allow them to kill a limited number of soldiers within their missile range.

    No, I seriously doubt the troops in Iraq or Afghanistan are in any kind of danger if we attack Iran. We must remember, it is most probable that our original "Exit Strategy" to leave Iraq was to attack Iran. If that is remotely possible it implies we know the risk of attacking Iran and that the risk to our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan was minimal. Stinking Iran figured it out and stopped acting up for a short period and messed up the best laid plans of our mice and men!

    I think GetReadyAlready is correct with how he lays it out. We will dismantle Iran's military the same way we did Iraq's military in the first Iraq war. Then we will build some bases in Iran and have an even easier time in the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters.


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    You give far too much credit to the plans of our enemies. It is true we were caught off guard in 9/11 but I think these complex plans are simply too cumbersome.

    [edit on 1-7-2010 by memarf1]



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