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White House releases new Space Policy.

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posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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Take a gander. Still reading it myself.

whitehouse.govnational_space_policy_6-28-10.pdf




Opinions?

I think it is interesting. But without actual craft, what exactly are we doing? and How?

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[edit on Mon Jun 28 2010 by Jbird]




posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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Im wondering the same question as you. This seems pretty pointless unless the military wants to unveil some shiny new Ion drives.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Or what about some warp drives? Never know. We do have the technology to make them. They just cost a couple trillion.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Or what about some warp drives? Never know. We do have the technology to make them. They just cost a couple trillion.


Oh really, we do?? Exactly what are the technologies we have to allow man to travel faster than light? Please provide credible sources. Credible sources do not include UFOs.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 04:55 AM
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It seems the beginning of a new Space Age.
Right like in 1400 with Christopher Columbus and the Discovery Age.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Or what about some warp drives? Never know. We do have the technology to make them. They just cost a couple trillion.


We might have the technology to make them, but we don't have the 'government' to make them, and probably never will. As for the cost, well... we don't have the money for world military policing - but we do it anyway.

It's a choice of money resources applied to world military domination, or open access to the universe. So far... the military wins disputes for dollars.



[edit on 6/29/2010 by Larryman]



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 06:00 AM
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Exactly what are the technologies we have to allow man to travel faster than light?


Here is one:
en.wikipedia.org...

Feel free to prove that the DoD's black budget programs HAVE NOT developed this technology. Please provide credible sources. Credible sources MAY include UFOs.



[edit on 6/29/2010 by Larryman]



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 06:46 AM
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did you just really site wikipedia then ask him to prove a negative?

here is a snippet from your source(opening few sentances):
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Heim theory is a non-mainstream collection of ideas about the fundamental laws of physics proposed by Burkhard Heim[1], [2] and further developed into the so-called Extended Heim Theory by Walter Dröscher and Jochem Häuser.[3]. Most of their original work and the subsequent theories based on it have not been peer reviewed.
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you sited a "theory" as proof we are physically capable of producing such an engine?

you make the claim that we have this capability and than say prove we dont? it was my understanding that when someone makes a claim the burdon of proof is on them. and i dont think that link is any sort of proof..

~meathead



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by pjslug

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Happyfeet
 


Or what about some warp drives? Never know. We do have the technology to make them. They just cost a couple trillion.


Oh really, we do?? Exactly what are the technologies we have to allow man to travel faster than light? Please provide credible sources. Credible sources do not include UFOs.


Yeah prove me that you are in fact alive and that your life itself is not an illusion mister credible sources... This is a conspiracy forum and I would be verymuch surprised that anybody could credibly prove that you are alive.... From a credible source....



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Larryman

Here is one:
en.wikipedia.org...

Feel free to prove that the DoD's black budget programs HAVE NOT developed this technology. Please provide credible sources. Credible sources MAY include UFOs.



[edit on 6/29/2010 by Larryman]


Except... This isn't technology. It's a theory (which I'm going to have to read more on, it sounds pretty interesting) which, if true, could lead to warp-like technologies. But it's primarily untested and does not directly indicate any techs.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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I'm supposed to be leaving for work, so I'm only skimming the document, but it seems to me that it mostly pertains to local space; that is, from here to the moon. It's largely about debris and about how international cooperation up there should proceed.

The most interesting part is this:


The United States shall develop and use space nuclear power systems where such systems safely enable or significantly enhance space exploration or operational capabilities.


We'll be using nuclear energy in space! That's crazy stuff right there.

Then this, but it's nothing new:


Set far-reaching exploration milestones. By 2025, begin crewed missions beyond the moon, including sending humans to an asteroid. By the mid-2030s, send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth;


But, yeah, there's nothing to go all "ZOMG WARP DRIVE" about in here. It's interesting, but if there's a conspiracy, that won't be where it is.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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I was just speculating, but I can explain how to make a warp drive with today's technology.

Take a closed metal hollow cylinder and wire it up so it produces a strong negative charge. Have within it a smaller version of itself that touches the top and bottom of the bigger one. The smaller one will not be hollow, and have the same negative force. Now pump into it a lot of hydrogen with a lot of electrons. Keep doing so until heat from pressure starts to build. Then cool it down. Keep adding to it until you have the equivalent mass of maybe a few cars. Keep cooling it down as well. Until you get to fractions of absolute zero. It becomes so cold it is a superfluid, and is so compressed it forms gravity. Eventually you come close to an event horizon. Now spin it to generate an ergosphere. A ring of these around your ship creates an inverted black hole. The ergosphere amplifies whatever thrust you have, as it is accelerating time. Eventually, if you go a quarter the speed of light, th ergo sphere might be able to amplify that to 4x the speed of light to earth relativity.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Solasis

Originally posted by Larryman

Here is one:
en.wikipedia.org...

Feel free to prove that the DoD's black budget programs HAVE NOT developed this technology. Please provide credible sources. Credible sources MAY include UFOs.



[edit on 6/29/2010 by Larryman]


Except... This isn't technology. It's a theory (which I'm going to have to read more on, it sounds pretty interesting) which, if true, could lead to warp-like technologies. But it's primarily untested and does not directly indicate any techs.


This 2006 article may be of interest to you:
news.scotsman.com...

In it, this is stated:

The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.


I think that's the last 'public' info on the Heim propulsion.


[edit on 6/29/2010 by Larryman]



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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Your description has several flaws, but the biggest one is "inverted black hole". That doesn't make any sense. I'm not even saying it is impossible, i'm just saying that it's a completely nonsense set of terms.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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It makes perfect sense. A black hole has a singularity, surrounded by an event horizon, followed by an ergo sphere around the equator. By taking a donut shaped artificial creation that is extremely close to a black hole (but not, so you can turn it off), you can make a ring of the devices around you. Preferably this would be 3 rings going around you on the X Y Z axis.

What you get is a ship with an ergosphere bubble around it, encased in what is very close to an event horizon, surrounded by yet another ergosphere.


It is an inverted black hole. It's inside out. A warp bubble.

When you move 1 mile, the space time around you moves however miles the ergisphere multiplies you by.


How is it flawed? I've talked to scientists about it. They've done short tv spots about it. Dr. Kaku and Alcubierre have made the math for it.

Where is the flaw? It's already science fact



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[edit on 29-6-2010 by Gorman91]



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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There are three really good ideas here IMHO

1) Nuclear energy in space. Finally. Do not underestimate the importance of this. If we want to do anything useful on the manned side this is essential. A smallish fission reactor powering VASIMR engines [look it up if its new to you] is what we need for getting people into the solar system.

We don't need warp drives or gravity drives or 'super whatsamadoodle' drives. We could be walking on Mars with technology we can build right now.

2) Heavy Lift Chemical Rocket. This recognises the need for a new heavy lift rocket. We'll need this to get the hardware for the nuclear systems into space. If we are smart we'll collaborate with the russians and the EU.

3) Commercialisation of LEO operations. Good. NASA should have got out of running a bus service 30 years ago. It long ago ceased to be a challenge worthy of them. Commercial companies will do it more efficiently anyway.

Cautious optimism that there is a workable long term plan here.



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Larryman
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Exactly what are the technologies we have to allow man to travel faster than light?


Here is one:
en.wikipedia.org...

Feel free to prove that the DoD's black budget programs HAVE NOT developed this technology. Please provide credible sources. Credible sources MAY include UFOs.



[edit on 6/29/2010 by Larryman]


That's a theory! Just like the big bang is a theory. It hasn't been proven to be a fact yet. And that's a very far cry from having warp technology.


But I love your straw man argument. How can I prove what the DoD's black budget program spends their money on when it is all classified to begin with? It's not my duty to prove something you say ISN'T true. It's your responsibility to prove something you say IS true!

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