Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by LeoVirgo
I think it will happen. Calling good evil and evil good the spirits will lie to many to turn them against God. We already see that spirits contact
people and say contradictory things, make faulty predictions, and can't even decide what the facts are. Do you really believe that spirits can't lie
and it's the individual's fault for misunderstanding what they say? It's no different from people believing aliens can only bring good things
should they reveal themselves to the world.
I dont think there is any spirit other then the one holy spirit of God...and nothing exists without having this spirit within them. I think the
experience of individuality is a illusion and is not a 'true self' but more of a sifting ground for the Spirit which is constantly renewing
I dont think its 'many spirits' feeding humans information....but information that the brain is trying to grasp and conceive in a way that the
individual finds acceptable or the unconsciousness finds a need to send a message to the consciousness and images can be used for such a connection.
If a being cant understand something....its not the beings fault then is it? And even if as you say 'spirits are lying'...then again..its not the
beings fault they have been misled. So who is really to blame here for the misleading? Humans that dont know what they can not see???????? Does that
sound like a work of God to you?? If I have an experience of a alien like creature bringing the message to me....it COULD be like you say, a real
'spirit' trying to mislead me....or it also COULD be my own unconsciousness trying to show me something in my desires, fears, interests, personal
attractions...and using this 'preconceived image' of a alien to do so.
Humans have a wide range of experiences of even Jesus. They see him in many colors of skin. Some see great importance in their messages that they are
of a certain tribe of Israel...some say they hear trumpets....many different descriptions of 'heaven...angels....ect' are different. There are many
believers having very different experiences.
I dont think its the same at all that people who think aliens are 'only good'. I think if any human being truly empties their cup of the ego and
preconceived ideas...we all will find the same nature within us because we share one spirit. I do think the 'one' spirit is ONLY good..and I think
being in the flesh body is what is the tempter..is what is the cause of the different experiences, for we all have different desires, different
thoughts on what we can accept for this creation and experience, different fears about life and there after, raised with different teachings, raised
with different emotional responses and attachments, raised with different wants and needs in life.
I dont think 'other spirits' are the cause of a delusion from the truth...I think the earthly body and the experience of being a 'self' with many
different 'ties' to the self as a individual from their life is what is the cause of 'what our unconsciousness and consciousness experiences
between each other.
All comes from Thee...distortion comes from what seems to be a separation from Thee. Through time, many men come up with ideas and 'truths' and this
gets shared and preconceived ideas and images become a part of our minds. What ever one experiences....if a image is used....its an image that was
already in our mind to be of use. Its the brain trying to work things out.
We focus too much on these details that man has passed onto us...instead we should be looking for the things that 'life' itself can show us and tell
us. Like the worth of love, sharing, compassion, empathy....take all the books away and the real important truth is still to be found.
The brain is a complicated work....and the more I learned of all the different experiences of people and how the brain works in severe delusion like
mental illnesses...I had to question what I 'preconceived' from a religious book and had to force myself to study more about how the unconsciousness
sends things to the consciousness and how it the two work together in a very personal and individual way.
It is found that the more a person builds on their experiences....the more they will have them and the more they will build their whole life around
them. Again...this is what the eastern mystics call the 'saintly' level and that many get stuck in it....for they form their whole belief on the
experiences and critical and cognitive thinking eventually go out the window.
I dont think its 'spirits' contacting people...I think its their own self....using images....to work out thoughts, meanings, ideas, and beliefs. The
mind is capable of such a thing and we have proof of this in mental ill patients. Im not saying those that have experiences are mentally ill...Im
saying that the brain is capable of creating what we call 'experiences' and we have trouble really discerning what the cause of the experience
manifesting was. Tragic events in a persons life can trigger extreme experiences. A strong desire to 'seek' things of a spiritual nature can open
the gateway for the unconscious mind and the conscious mind to try to 'work things out'.
If a being is true at heart...and humble in their seeking...then the image matters not, for the message will be of love, compassion, ect...the soul
knows its true nature of Spirit...but the experience of individuality distorts our true nature. As we find it again, we go through a 'sifting' out
what we are not.
I once believed the way you do...but I found myself asking constantly...what kind of God is this then to allow such things to happen that we cant even
see. How unfair is it to all these other people that dont believe>
How unfair is it that God, the unseen and unproven to humans senses....sets all of these traps, or allows all of these traps? The answer I was led to
was that there is purpose, in all the delusions. There is purpose, in all the things we 'think' we know. Its not about 'many spirits' trying to
lie and deceive....but its about our soul in battle with the body of flesh, trying to find out what it is of and why its here. If a being wants to be
'filled' with self worth...then their experiences are going to give them that. If a being wants to know its loved...then their experiences are going
to give them that. If a being has some sort of 'fear' about being deceived or punished in any way....their 'belief' is going to reflect that.
Its all about a 'working ground' between what is of Spirit and what is of flesh. The soul, being of Spirit, longs for harmony and unity....the
flesh longs for self fulfillment and fills its being with desires and fears on a personal level.
Its much more complex then what I can try to explain...but studying psychology really taught me alot and was kinda what brought me out of the
'saintly' level myself from my own experiences and made me really look at why I experienced what I did...what was my soul and body having conflict
over...what was my desires and fears...what was my inner nature and what was my ego nature....why did my unconsciousness use the images that it
used...and how could I connect with the true spirit of my soul. Even then, I learned it was not about details...it was about simpleness. What is the
simple truths of the soul? Love, compassion, empathy, unity, sharing, offering...and these take work, its not just a choice...it is work of the soul
to not let earthly things and life of flesh distract what its true nature is of.
We can tap into many things through the unconsciousness because we in spirit...are of all things...all lives, all experiences. So what ever a being
'experiences'....there is something of use there for them on a personal level.