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I was almost the victim of an Illegal Immigrant (The guy driving behind me was not so lucky)

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posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:15 AM
Never mind illegal aliens, there are groups of citizens who do this also.

One good thing to watch for is a person pulling right out in front of you and slamming on the brakes. If you see a car pull in front of you too quickly or close, watch out.

The other is a group of witnesses standing on the street and a car backs out in front of you just as you are going by. It was a set up!

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Muckster
My original reply to this has now become a thread of its own... hope you don’t mind, hehe...

Disillusioned idiots

But basically... we are all brainwashed by the media and TPTB who have an agenda!

And we ALWAYS fall for it!

What was that about?

EDIT - Just got it. Way to make it personal without making it personal.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by daskakik]

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:20 AM
reply to post by babybunnies

Easy, I actualy agree with you. I was pointing out how stupid it is to think that Americans have some moral or karmic obligation to let every illegal immigrant live on their soil, because their ancestors "stole" the land from natives.

They dont. Current americans are not their ancestors, they are the natives now!

Good fences make good neighbours.

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:21 AM
I am with the O.P. I used to live in El Paso
and if you think this does not happen; well
all I can say is I hope LaLa Land is warm at

The "scam" is that their is always a lawyer who
will take you to court. If he wins or settles he
will not take his usual 30% like the info-lawyers
you see on tv, but will take 75-90% and drag it
out. Are your or more importantly your insurance
company going to litigate that long?

Even if the fraud is exposed who is going to be
arrested? The "injured" party (illegal), the lawyer
who represented them. I am pretty sure they would
have covered themselves.

If you have been in an accident with a legal
citizen with no insurance, multiply that experience
by a factoer of a hundred and you get the idea.

There is money in everything and someone willing
to injure themselves because they are too lazy to
earn it honestly. There is also someone always
willing to make money from YOUR misery and not
bat an eye while looking at you.

Your compassion will come back to haunt you.

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:32 AM
A friend that I grew up with was also in an accident caused by an illegal... Poor Jose is a great driver and it was his first accident, the illegal was from Ireland was uninsured and his Visa had expired .... I hate those sorry Irish people and especially the ones here illegally.

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:38 AM

Originally posted by taccj9903
I'm a little confused here, what was the scam? What did the Hispanic driver have to gain?

Here is how it works in Florida. The driver of the vehicle who really caused the accident is generally an illegal immigrant or and immigrant who is out of work. They buy a small insurance policy. Florida is a no fault state. Then they go out and cause an accident, almost always less than 30 days after getting the policy. Liability (fault) is not an issue in this state. The accident is almost always staged (planned). There is always more than one person in the car. Usually the vehicle is full of passengers. If not, then there are jumpers; those who see the accident and jump into the vehicle after the accident and claim they were passengers. All are covered under the driver’s (insured’s) policy.

When the accident occurs, there is always a police report. When completed, the victims find an “accident clinic.” You can see them in the seedier parts of town. The victims go to the accident clinic and fill out forms. They see a nurse, and usually a doctor for the initial consultation. The doctor can charge standard higher charges for the initial consultation and evaluation. The doctors are becoming savvy to investigations of these staged accidents and it is becoming important for them to see their patient at least once. They are scheduled for treatments, massages, and other procedures to the maximum amount of medical payout from their insurance policy. In Florida, most basic policies give $10,000 medical coverage per victim, including $10,000 for each passenger in the same car.

Sometimes the accident clinic has them fill out enough forms to cover the number of visits needed to exhaust the policy. At that point, each patient is given $1000 cash and the clinic never sees them again. They just complete treatment forms and submit to the insurance company until the policy limits are exhausted. Other times, the clinics require the patients to come in daily and sign a form and collect $50-$100 per visit. They don’t receive treatment but merely sign a blank form which the clinic later completes and forwards to the insurance company. Since the passengers in the vehicles probably don’t have a car or license, the clinics employ drivers to pick up each passenger daily and deliver them to the clinic to collect their money and sign the papers. This does keep them coming in every day because the clinics are afraid of surveillance of their clinics. The people may get 1 treatment such as a massage but the insurance is always charged for 5-6 different treatments.

All in all, the clinic gets about $9000 in medical fees and the patients get $1000 per victim in the car. To a family of 4 (kids included) this pays a lot of bills. Sometimes you see friends and families who know each other in different cars so everybody has a nice Christmas. The insurance company pays out $40,000, the victims get $4000 and the clinic gets $36,000. The insurance company got maybe $150 for the first month’s coverage and never sees the insured again when the policy is dropped or cancelled by the driver. This is why your insurance policy is $600-$800 higher than it should be (every six months).

These clinics make millions of dollars per year. The victims make a thousand dollars. You pay.

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:47 AM
reply to post by TV_Nation

I worked in auto claims for a few years. I do not see how this guy could make any money in this situation. He pulled from a side lot into a street were people had a established right of way. The only thing I could think of is maybe he was hoping the person he hit would offer him money?

Now, the bad side for the person that got hit is that their rates will most likely increase for using their uninsured motorist coverage, which is sad for the that driver.

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:54 AM

Originally posted by truthseeker10

Originally posted by Baloney
As if folks do not already have enough problems in life, now we have to worry about illegal immigrants going from scamming our SYSTEM, to now SCREWING US!!

These illegals need to go. They are nothing but PROBLEMS!!!!

lol i wonder did the native american's say that too when they saw the europeans coming.

They did but the white man is one hell of a liar. :-)

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:55 AM
Welcome to the category of "prey". First they enter the area, basically friendly and willing to do whatever it takes to gain a footing. Over time, they prove some level of value. They embrace the "minority" status and accept the pity of others like a small furry animal that means no harm, entering your yard. Then they slowly turn...taking from the environment, taking from others while still flying the flag of persecution. Then they stand up for their rights..."Leave us alone...we mean no harm. What...are you RACIST?". Eventually, like any alien species, they take more and more, destroying the environment and exhausting the "food" of other, native creatures. And when that "food" becomes scarce...they attack the native species. Finally, when the land is dead and barren, the native species weakened, extinct, or too busy trying to finds scraps...they leave for another begin the process again. Some call such creatures parasites...but that wouldn't be nice.

Nature is an amazing thing. If we ever realize we are nothing but animals, still in nature, we can see how things work through the example of other creatures. This is a typical situation, a known situation with a known outcome. The only question we intervene as we will sometimes do in nature, when an alien species invades an area, expelling them before they destroy the ecosystem? Or will we "die" as the native species...all because we consider ourselves so much better, more intelligent, more moral, more caring, than the animals?

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:03 AM
Guys stop this racists threads!! I think that now ATS has become one of the mayor propaganda sites of the NWO. Is incredible how my threads of hatred for the people that are different that you are.

The op is amazing i mean. How do you know it is an illegal inmigrant? did you check their documents?? do you have illegal inmigrant detector eyes??

Stop the BS!! This BS is all part of the NWO agenda to distract our attention for the things that are really important/

Reember they are trying to split us appart. Divide and Conquer... anyone??

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:23 AM

Originally posted by MarshMallow_Snake
reply to post by TV_Nation

I worked in auto claims for a few years. I do not see how this guy could make any money in this situation. He pulled from a side lot into a street were people had a established right of way. The only thing I could think of is maybe he was hoping the person he hit would offer him money?

Now, the bad side for the person that got hit is that their rates will most likely increase for using their uninsured motorist coverage, which is sad for the that driver.

What if the person pulling out had intended to pull out just ahead of the Mercedes driver causing him to unavoidably t-bone the scammer? Would that change things for you people that can't see the potential scam here? Had the op not turned around and the drive had timed it correctly to not have t-boned the Mercedes?
Even if this guy was an illegal, it's clear from others' experiences that in some states illegals have been paid claims for accidents. You can't assume that just because things went down the way they did, that they were intended to happen that way. What other motivation did the driver have to intentionally cause the collision, if not an attempted scam?

[edit on 28-6-2010 by PplVSNWO]

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:31 AM
The OP makes no sense. How did the guy make any money?

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:37 AM
What is the point of your post????
do you need attention?
whats worse is the amount of sheeple on this site!

Hey Concerned Citizen,,,
how can you assume someones ethnic background?how can you assume their legal status?heres the funniest part, if you hit someone,,,how can you scam them?**please just answer that 1
why are you adding fuel to the flames of racism and biggotry?good thing you were there to help the guy with the mercedes(speaking of which,why didnt you express your concerns about a scam to either him or the cop?)

Im a concerned citizen too,,,,,so people of ATS BE WARNED **there are people here,who are with TPTB who mock and ridicule those of us who seriously seek knowledge** Wouldnt you aggree TVNATION?

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:43 AM

Originally posted by alien
...pretty sure I read and hear about scams each and every day, irregardless of what country they occur in...

Crime is crime is crime.

It is true, crime is crime is crime but you know what?... "irregardless" isn't a proper word isn't a proper word isn't a proper word.

Anyway. I think the OP might be letting his prejudice pre-judge a situation wrongly. I mean...

Firstly, the guy is in the country illegally (at least the OP seems pretty sure of that). Most importantly, he has no tax and insurance, so how exactly could he receive any kind of compensation? He simply couldn't. Not to mention he did this with a witness in sight and if it was as blatant as the OP says, that would be a bit daft.

No, I think the OP is just letting his bigotry make him paranoid.

Finally, this particular con actually needs another participant. Someone else who is in on it. It can't be done with just two cars, the criminals and the victims.

This Mexican may just be a very poor driver but to brand him a criminal just because you don't trust non-Americans is pretty disgusting and unfair.

You are certainly no Columbo, so I'd be wary of accusing people of criminal activity in the future, if I were you.

Originally posted by aligator_am
reply to post by TV_Nation

Hi OP,

We here in Ireland had a similar scam pushed on us, in particular by Nigerian "asylum seekers", in particular they would focus on women driving alone. What they would do is drive along slightly below the speed limit, let the car behind catch up with them then jam on the brakes, car behind would hit them.

In virtually every case, there would be about 4 or 5 immigrants in the car, and all would suddenly have whiplash, the victim was in the wrong as they had rear ended them, and the fact that it was 4 or 5 testimonies against 1...

This usually resulted in payouts by the insurance companies, easy money right there

Aye. this is what I was talking about. Except there will normally be another person in another car following them who can act as witness. They will obviously be part of the scam.

It's a pretty common car scam in the UK and Ireland. I dunno why this guy claims it is a particularly Nigerian scam as every scamster seems to do it, regardless of race or ethnicity. There are many, many more white Irish/British doing this scam than there are Africans or whoever!

Anyway, people are stopping doing this scam now (at least in England, maybe not in Ireland) because the police are onto them straight away. It has been done that one (million) time too many!

reply to post by Bhadhidar


This exactly!!

Good post, Bhadhidar. What I wanted to say but couldn't manage. I'm glad someone who's brain works (you) were here to give a good example of my thoughts.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by triplesod]

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:50 AM

"we cant do anything about it" conspiracy!!! why, why cant you do anything about it. hes an ILLEGAL... are you not the law? do you not enforce laws? r u not a cop?? "oh im sorry sir because our president has ordered illegal immigrants to be exempt from the law, i cant do anything about it and i guess ull just have to fork out the cash sir"

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:53 AM
reply to post by triplesod

dont be such an apologist tool paid to come to ATS and say junk like that. you gave urself away when you played the race card.. they always do. the guy had no documentation on him... he spoke no english... c'mon, dont be so stupid.. its a well known scam and this particular mexican was too incompetant to pull it off..

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 11:54 AM
If this was a scam it was certainly poorly executed. However scams are a dime a dozen and certainly not the sole domain of illegal immigrants.

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 12:03 PM

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
reply to post by triplesod

dont be such an apologist tool paid to come to ATS and say junk like that. you gave urself away when you played the race card.. they always do. the guy had no documentation on him... he spoke no english... c'mon, dont be so stupid.. its a well known scam and this particular mexican was too incompetant to pull it off..

If I may...

(points at "Coffinman") and...
(in the voice of Nelson Muntz) Ha-Ha!!

And, if he really was trying to do a scam, then he wasn't doing it well, considering, y'know, him doing it completely wrong and in a way that can only get him into lots of trouble and if money is involved in any way, it will only be by him losing some!

[edit on 28-6-2010 by triplesod]

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 12:12 PM
I don't get the scam. The police report is going to clearly show who was at fault. Just try suing an insurance company. You'll be a bit long in the tooth before you ever see the inside of a court most of the time.

Don't assume criminality when common stupidity seems the most obvious explanation.

posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 12:13 PM
I have heard of insurance scams of this sort since insurance became mandatory and it has always been people of a minority race or that and a different nationality.... My wife was amongst a group of women when one was telling of an accident that involved her car being hit in the rear end.... The nice little conservative Republican God fearing preachers wife in the group responded not by asking if she was hurt or if the damage to her car was severe but if it was an illegal alien that had hit her car.... My wife said it was strange the the preachers wife looked disappointed when she was told that it wasn't..... I kind of expect that kind of reaction from that kind of person myself.

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