I was almost the victim of an Illegal Immigrant (The guy driving behind me was not so lucky)

The scam is hit the unsuspecting driver, try to make it seem like it was his fault. maybe get some cash off him instead of going through insurance. The only problem was when the mexicans friends told him about the scam he was too stupid to really understand how its done. He should have hit the guy with the junker who posted the message. he would have been less inclined to go through the insurance. I dont see how anyone doesnt have ins. If my insurance lapses im getting a letter saying my dr. license will be revoked
Total bs that this can go on. and total bs we law abiding citizens have to pay into an uninsured driver account

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Dookzor

 

Nobody is demonizing any race of people. We are demonizing illegal immigrants. They have often no respect for law, otherwise they would come legally. Influx of poor illegal immigrants without control will lower the quality of life of Americans, I am certain of that. But yeah, their quality of life would be probably improved...

In the face of poverty, malnutrition and general unhappiness, can you honestly say you wouldn't try and provide a better life for you and your loved ones if you had the chance? I would and would like to think that people would be more compassionate if I were to find myself in that situation; and see it for what it was rather than call it an act of disrespect.

I think most of us sitting infront of our computer screens on our highspeed internet connections forget that those without access to such luxuries may not know how to go about things the "right" way. Many of these people come from what would be considered extreme pverty, right?

America loves to tell the world how great it is. I've been hearing about it for as long as I can remember. How can you blame your average poor person in a country that is widely recognised as a slum for hearing that message and wanting a piece of what you have to offer?

STOP BLAMING THE IMMIGRANTS AND TURN YOUR ATTENTIONS TO YOUR GOVERNMENT. They are the ones responsible for your gripes.

Originally posted by TV_Nation
Needless to say the Mexican man could not produce either one and it was determined that he did not have insurance nor did he have a valid drivers license.

The police officer said that he could not determine at the moment if the man was an illegal alien but it was a strong possibility and that this had been happening a lot recently in the area.

He also said that if the man was an illegal that there was really nothing they could do about it and the man would most likely be released and that the driver who got hit would have to handle the financial burden of the situation.

First off, since he had no ID, how do you know he is "Mexican?" Just because he speaks Spanish? He could be Puerto Rican, or Honduran, or Guatemalan.

Second, it sounds like your state needs some better laws regarding people driving with no license or insurance. I suggest writing your state representative, since citizens can pull this scam off as well.

Originally posted by muse7
It's really sad that this section of ATS has turned into an almost stormfront kind of board. Full of xenophobic threads, that spew nothing but retarded assumptions like the OP here.

Just because a person that speaks Spanish fails to produce a drivers license and insurance they are instantly labeled an "illegal alien", I don't know either whether or not the man being discussed in the OP is here legally or illegally but let's not jump to conclusions?

Yeah, just because he didn't have a driver's license, insurance, couldn't or refused to speak English, had a bumper-ticker that said "Viva La Mexico," wore a T-shirt that said "Papers? I ain't go no steeenkin' papers!" and was driving a vehicle reported stolen in Phoenix and used it to bull-doze a Mercedes he is instantly labeled an "illegal alien?"
Seriously, I live outside of Houston and if anyone would be able to spot a likely illegal alien, I would, and in this case, it is utterly retarded to think that this man was not a law-abiding, tax-paying, Social Security contributing U.S. citizen that was borrowing a friend's car & simply left his wallet at home.
To think anything otherwise would be bigoted and racist.

Originally posted by muse7
I'm just wondering if you stayed around and actually verified this man's legal status in the United States..

Exactly what I'm thinking. As if Illegals are the only ones capable of fraud or driving a rusted bucket of bolts that has 6 different panel colors. Not a good case against Illegals I must say.

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I agree with you, and I am blaming the government, not the illegals themselves. It is after all the governments job to enforce the law, and when it is incapable of doing so, illegal activity is the result.

Originally posted by Dookzor

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by Dookzor

America loves to tell the world how great it is. I've been hearing about it for as long as I can remember. How can you blame your average poor person in a country that is widely recognised as a slum for hearing that message and wanting a piece of what you have to offer?

And we have a winner.

All the believers in "American exceptionalism" don't want the stuff that goes along with it.

If you have a successful country, you will have illegal immigrants.

On a side note: It's hilarious to see people blame Obama for the illegal immigration problem, as if the millions that are here just came in the last year or so.

You know why people keep coming in droves? They already have a support system - friends and family that came here in previous years. Add to that the fact that businesses aren't really penalized for hiring illegal immigrants (maximum of $10,000 - still far less than it would cost to hire someone legally), and you have ample reason for a poor person to make the trek.

How about making it so that the rich can't exploit people for cheap labor? Actually punish businesses that claim they didn't know their employees were illegal...even though they did nothing to find out the truth. As long any fines they have will be insignificant in comparison to what a legal wage and benefits would have cost them, you'll keep having people coming to work.

Controlling the border won't solve the issue, but eliminating the job supply will do a lot more than a fence or more patrols.

Or, "Patriotic Americans" could start working "off the books" for the wages these illegal immigrants get, and eliminate the supply of jobs that way.

Originally posted by muse7
It's really sad that this section of ATS has turned into an almost stormfront kind of board.

It's not just this section, sadly. And this is the first post I read on here today because it's the popular thread? I've got better things to do in life than read these racist rants. :shk:

I don't get the "scam" either. What advantage is there to be had from causing an accident without insurance?

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We have the same problem in England, usually pulled off by the Polish.

They even use the same car more than once and add extra passengers on the insurance forms.

Originally posted by truthseeker10

Originally posted by Baloney
As if folks do not already have enough problems in life, now we have to worry about illegal immigrants going from scamming our SYSTEM, to now SCREWING US!!

These illegals need to go. They are nothing but PROBLEMS!!!!

lol i wonder did the native american's say that too when they saw the europeans coming.

No, they did not, and they payed for it. Do you want to have the US invaded, just like europeans invaded native americans and destroyed their culture? Hisotry repeats itself..

This is something that happened to my uncle.

Here's his story.

My uncle just turned 31 in 1997, was newly married and was on his way home from work in Georgia (of all places). He pulls up in at a stoplight at an intersection like he's done MILLIONS of times before.

Light turns green, he pulls out to go and suddenly a Ford F150 plows into him on the drivers hand side.

The driver? An illegal without a drivers license or insurance. My uncle had his hips CRUSHED, he now sits in a wheel chair with a daily regiment of various pain medication to keep the pain at tolerable levels.

My uncle loved life, he was active in sports, a black belt in Karate, loved hiking with his dog. He was a "master mechanic". All ruined by some illegal running a red light. Shortly after this accident, his then wife left him because she couldn't cope with the change in their lives.

He now sits 24/7 in his home in constant pain. No more Karate, no more hikes, his mechanic career over.

Now of course, this could have happened with an equally bad LEGAL driver, however if this illegal wasn't in the country, my uncles life wouldn't have been ruined.

Originally posted by WashMoreFeet

Originally posted by muse7
It's really sad that this section of ATS has turned into an almost stormfront kind of board. Full of xenophobic threads, that spew nothing but retarded assumptions like the OP here.

Just because a person that speaks Spanish fails to produce a drivers license and insurance they are instantly labeled an "illegal alien", I don't know either whether or not the man being discussed in the OP is here legally or illegally but let's not jump to conclusions?

Yeah, just because he didn't have a driver's license, insurance, couldn't or refused to speak English,

That's all the information that was provided by the OP.

had a bumper-ticker that said "Viva La Mexico," wore a T-shirt that said "Papers? I ain't go no steeenkin' papers!" and was driving a vehicle reported stolen in Phoenix and used it to bull-doze a Mercedes he is instantly labeled an "illegal alien?

And that's where it starts getting bigoted.

To think anything otherwise would be bigoted and racist.

Hey, you said it, not me.

Originally posted by Maslo
Do you want to have the US invaded, just like europeans invaded native americans and destroyed their culture? Hisotry repeats itself..

You call it "history repeats itself." Others would call it "karma."

First, tell me how you knew he was mexican.

Second, tell me how he was going to profit off this if he was the one who ran into the mercedes. In other words, what was the scam?

The scam is that the illegal will then make a claim against the other driver's insurance, claiming that they were hurt in the crash and getting a payout from the other driver's insurance company.

They will get a sympathetic doctor to document their "injuries" for the insurance company.

The driver that was hit not only has to pay for the repair to his own car, but also has to pay increased premiums due to the claim against his insurance.

Regardless of whether he was Mexican or not, he was not able to produce ID or anything that showed he was in the USA legally and should have been arrested and processed through INS.

Originally posted by mothershipzeta
Originally posted by Maslo
Do you want to have the US invaded, just like europeans invaded native americans and destroyed their culture? Hisotry repeats itself..

Oh, how I wish that people would get over a war that happened 300 years ago. The natives lost, the white man won, there were atrocities on both sides.

Get over it.

I'm English - why don't I claim reparations against the Norwegians and the French, who after all, invaded my country and stole it from my ancestors? I don't because it was over 950 years ago, and it doesn't make sense.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by babybunnies]

The drivers who do that sort of scam always have a driver's license. I think the OP jumps to too many conclusions. What would nationality have to do with scams anyway?

Originally posted by Frontkjemper
This is something that happened to my uncle.

Here's his story.

My uncle just turned 31 in 1997, was newly married and was on his way home from work in Georgia (of all places). He pulls up in at a stoplight at an intersection like he's done MILLIONS of times before.

Light turns green, he pulls out to go and suddenly a Ford F150 plows into him on the drivers hand side.

The driver? An illegal without a drivers license or insurance. My uncle had his hips CRUSHED, he now sits in a wheel chair with a daily regiment of various pain medication to keep the pain at tolerable levels.

My uncle loved life, he was active in sports, a black belt in Karate, loved hiking with his dog. He was a "master mechanic". All ruined by some illegal running a red light. Shortly after this accident, his then wife left him because she couldn't cope with the change in their lives.

He now sits 24/7 in his home in constant pain. No more Karate, no more hikes, his mechanic career over.

Now of course, this could have happened with an equally bad LEGAL driver, however if this illegal wasn't in the country, my uncles life wouldn't have been ruined.

It's awful and a disheartening story. Your uncle should get a smart lawyer and sue the Federal Goverment for damages. ANYONE who has this sort of issue with an illegal shoud sue the Federal Government for negligence in allowing the illegal into the country in the first place, and especially if the attending police officers refuse to do anything about the illegal.

It's negligence on the part of the Federal Government, negligence on the part of the city and state police, negiligence on the part of the employer who pays them under the table, the landlord who rents them a place to live, and the person who sold the truck to an illegal. Sue the lot.

[edit on 28-6-2010 by babybunnies]

you guys are missing the point if i did this scam and somebody caught me red handed they would take me to jail for fraud, vandalism, assault with a motor vehicle and if i am really unlucky maybe attempted murder if person is seriously injured but since this guy was not from this country and wasn't speaking english he was going to walk without even being charged. when i worked retail spanish speaking people would enter store 30 minutes before store close and would walk around grabbing stuff and walking out door without being stopped i asked manager why he said because there was 1 of him and six of them and cops would not even hold them if called

The idea that illegal immigrants have a get out of jail card is preposterous. It is true that local cops will ignore the crime of illegal immigration.

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i dont understand what motives had that mexican to hit other car?
why would he do that?
how will he benefit if he on purpose hit another car?