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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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Here's a list of 21 companies that use conflict products




Rape as a Weapon of War
Eastern Congo is caught in an epidemic of appalling sexual violence, as militias use rape as a military tactic to destroy communities. Congolese women and girls in particular bear the vicious brunt of this crisis. Indeed, eastern Congo right now is the most dangerous place in the world to be a woman or a girl.

Minerals Fueling the Fight
Greed for Congo’s mineral wealth has been a prime cause of the atrocities and conflict, and multiple armed groups use mass rape as a deliberate strategy to intimidate and control communities as they profit from the illicit trade in Congo’s conflict minerals – tin, tungsten, tantalum, and gold. Many of these same conflict minerals end up in our own electronic devices such as cell phones, laptops, and digital cameras.
www.raisehopeforcongo.org...



I am not at all religious and not at all a fan of any abrahamic religion.
I am mostly agnostic

However many atheists often express their dislike of the bible saying as soon as you are born you are sinful.

It's funny despite that statement sucking royally... it does have some unfortunate truth to it.

Every day we touch and use products that we bought that is made from conflict products.

Because of the ease of our everyday life and us waking up to a happy family in the morning, we read the paper with a glass of orange juice or a coffee and wonder what's with these crazy people we are reading about in other parts of the country.
However our very society and our ease of life costs others to be condemned to a living hell, especially women out there.

There truly is a matrix




posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Apple is no better than Microsoft they just want your money more




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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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Not trying to undermine the weight of the OP here, but there is an ethical third way.






posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by pavelivanov22
Apple is no better than Microsoft they just want your money more




[edit on 27-6-2010 by pavelivanov22]


Actually, they want your money exactly as eagerly as Microsoft does. Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

It's sick the way that our society rides on the backs of the impoverished and underprivileged in other nations. Something needs to be done about this. Grassrootsish campaigns like this can only do so much, though, and I can't really boycott my computer.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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And dont forget those Foxconn employees working hard on your iPads, they make a whopping $130 a month, but I think they got a raise to $169 a month!! And safety nets are being installed at the factory to prevent suicides now!!! www.examiner.com...



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Wow.
I had no idea.
Here I thought I was doing good, lol.
I subscribe to living the 'less is more' lifestyle.
Sold my car and live where I can walk to the store or I don't go (for the most part).
I don't wear gold or silver (anymore).
No TV.
I don't eat meat I didn't raise and butcher myself and 90% in total of the fruit and veggies I do eat, I raise myself - with no pesticides, etc...
I drink only water and water with real fruit juice mixed in, no sugar...
Ok you got the idea, I wont bore you with more details...

Point being - What did I 'keep' in my life I thought was harmless?

My computer.

Ugh. Ya just can't win can you...


peace

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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by jokei
Not trying to undermine the weight of the OP here, but there is an ethical third way.
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Not in this case. As the second video says quite early, "Linux is free software." Software. this is a hardware issue. I'm pretty sure files are not made out of tungsten.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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My error, apologies.

Line 2



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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Yes the 'ethical' third way of course...
The OS originally supplied with my own laptop

Of course when the keyboard breaks or a spare part is needed, you order it for 10GBP, and it arrives, as my keyboard did yesterday morning, stamped kowloon, yes the poor chinese province where someone was paid (and this according the BBC) around 3 pence to make it. Yep how noble an idea - this third choice that ships with predominantly low end machines (to keep the price down) predominantly made in places such as kowloon.

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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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awesome video, definitely one of the more important issues today. gah...with every word i type it makes it hard not feel like a total friggin hypocrite.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home, and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's common, it's trivial. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night

Quote for the film 'Seven'.


Whether you are religious or not, it's a fair truism that we are surrounded by practicalities and materialisms that appear, on the face of it, to be helpful to our way of life.

With this, I think life itself is a zero sum game - one's progress is another's slavery and suffering. Look at our cheap plastic meaningless products - produced in China by child slave labour! Do we care? No, because they are not our kids doing the producing and more important, it's cheap!

Anyway, I think the information you cite is initially from the book, A Game as Old as Empire'. I read from here, or somewhere else, (possibly from an article by Rady Ananda) that cheap mobile phones are made in a poor African country by women and children. If they fail to hit their quotas, they are raped by a rusty AK47, and if this happens again, they (woman or child) are placed on a table, legs opened wide, and they are shot between the legs!

We are the consumers of such treatment, whether we like it or not. Reality hurts I guess, which is why so many are ignorant.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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Thanks for this reminder. Lve the way they're getting this message out.

It's valuable focus for us all. An old friend of mine I've lost touch with left IBM over 10 years ago after 15 years for this very reason. The way it came about for her was through her studies as a Jehovah's Witness and the way she put it at the time was something like, "they participate in the annihilation of people and I cannot in good conscience support or profit from this through any of my actions."

She convinced me too. I don't want the money of companies who support the war machine, and they're not getting mine.. Every time I've taken a job or project since, I consider this. It's very helpful to have a list.

I think it matters...the little actions we take. It may not seem like a big thing to do or like it matters, but if enough people did it...

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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Solasis

It's sick the way that our society rides on the backs of the impoverished and underprivileged in other nations. Something needs to be done about this.


This is another of those posts we constantly read - something needs to be done... ok i agree but WHO will do this something? It's the same old same old SOMEONE must do something - let me heat my microwave dinner and watch the news to see WHO did "something" today

No one will do anything. We will continue to use these items until the people who's lives it affects just cease to exist. As i said, if a million people gathered, rather than watching the news, and DID something who will stop them?? No ONE! But we will NEVER get a million people together because people are just too busy to REALLY care - simple.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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That is pathetic, blame others for the problems you have in your country. Kill those militia rapers, torture them, intimidate them with punishes that will convince people not to do such things.

The best and free'est place to live right now seems to be Africa. Not so much for that raping stuff, but if it is allowed to continue it is a pretty safe bet more basic rights like the right to bear arms or the right to decide what you put inside your body are still allowed unlike many other slave nations on earth.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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Just thought I'd add that one of the guys up against Obama for the Nobel Peace prize, was a doctor who set up specialist clinics to help deal with victims of this systematic rape as a weapon of war. Denis Mukwege has helped literally thousands of women, and has devoted his life to this cause.

www.independent.co.uk...



[edit on 27-6-2010 by Big Raging Loner]



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by shearder

Originally posted by Solasis

It's sick the way that our society rides on the backs of the impoverished and underprivileged in other nations. Something needs to be done about this.


This is another of those posts we constantly read - something needs to be done... ok i agree but WHO will do this something? It's the same old same old SOMEONE must do something - let me heat my microwave dinner and watch the news to see WHO did "something" today

No one will do anything. We will continue to use these items until the people who's lives it affects just cease to exist. As i said, if a million people gathered, rather than watching the news, and DID something who will stop them?? No ONE! But we will NEVER get a million people together because people are just too busy to REALLY care - simple.


Alright, your talk is fine and good -- riddle me this, though. If you could get that million people together, what would you and they do? What's the action we can take?

Notwithstanding the fact that "Above" is missing every single point.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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So that they spend more money raping the Earth to try and out compete?


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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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These people aren't fighting because of these minerals, they are using the minerals to fund their fighting. They are going to fight regardless as they are uncivilized and that's just what they do. I don't feel guilty using my computer. If they aren't making money from the minerals, they would be making it some other way or they would even be using other methods to rape and murder.

Now, I have a huge soft-spot in my heart for children and I can't stand that children are being hurt but we need to punish those hurting the children, not the corporations who are simply buying minerals. It is not Apple's or any other tech company's fault that these people are doing what they are doing. These people are savages and they will do what they do, regardless of whether we buy minerals from them or not.

--airspoon

Edited to add: If you are going censure the companies for using these minerals, at least do so for the right reasons, such as reckless environmental practices. Again, these people are rapists and murderers that would be doing what they are doing anyway, regardless of whether we buy resources or not.


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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 05:51 PM
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I didn't know anything about this. I have heard about the hazardous materials used to produce computers for big computer companies. But I had no idea about this. I'm sorry I participated to the rate I have. Including old computers we probably have five, two iphones, and two ipods. Arrgghh.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 05:58 PM
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It is stories like these that further my belief that perhaps there is no god. Well no god as described in the bible, caring, wise, thoughtful. Because if there was an he let this madness go on in this world like what we hear and witness day in and out then he must be one messed up dude to sit by and watch this cruel treatment of human beings. As far as doing anything to stop it boycott those products all you want it will do no good. To many people don't give a damn about their own children let alone other people and their children. Lot's of luck folks seems every day we as a civilization keep getting worse and worse, hurry up 2012, niburu or other calamity as I think it's time for an intervention.





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