The Filesharing Conspiracy

Ya I think long lasting hard-copies are the way of the future.

Once it is realized that all this electronic media has half-lives averaging 5 years (magnet and flash),
people will start to realize it is cheaper on the long term to have ceramic storage.
www.scribd.com...

hardcopy books on paper can still be quite interesting,
though a condensed version on ceramic plate can be for digital reference.

can of course use an open source printer,
get your own clay and furnace.
for producing ceramic media.

Ever heard of memetics? or the Age of Memes?
It's supposedly in some of the futures.
en.wikipedia.org...
Imagine an open source world.

Where competing self-replicating open source tribes be,
different belief systems and meme statements,
so a persons glory depends on how many,
use a meme fostered by self and tribe.




[edit on 29-6-2010 by lowki]

reply to post by StargateSG7


As a professional engineer and producer I have used the software to change gender, tweek acoustics and what have you. Most of it sucks and is noticable to even the untrained ear.

Plus if you're recording in a room with sibelance(sp?), flutter, and or rattles the software has to take frequencies out to compensate. That means that frequencies in the instrument may disapear as well. It could be something as simple as changing the structure of the harmonic overtones. However, it is noticable and can mess up a recording.

You can manipulate the reverb characteristics and space using a convolution reverb. However if the recording is poor quality and the room is #e then it won't help. It sounds like complete #e in Westminster Abbey or in the wilds of Alaska. It still sounds like a horrible recording.

The only software I've seen that will completely change the words was a forensics software that cost damn near $1,200. Maybe something has came out and I missed it. Other wise it is cost prohibitive for most people.

it's just a matter of
available computing horsepower and time!

He said a mid level consumer computer. Which means you would actually be better off just going to a studio and doing it right. By the time you purchase all of the software, and what not, plus the computer, and try to learn it, you would spend more in both initial cost and opportunity cost.

Plus I still have not run across a program that can mix as well as a human. It might give you a pretty RTA, but it never catches the subtlety of the human ear and hand.

Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by StargateSG7

 

As a professional engineer and producer I have used the software to change gender, tweek acoustics and what have you. Most of it sucks and is noticable to even the untrained ear.

Plus if you're recording in a room with sibelance(sp?), flutter, and or rattles the software has to take frequencies out to compensate. That means that frequencies in the instrument may disapear as well. It could be something as simple as changing the structure of the harmonic overtones. However, it is noticable and can mess up a recording.

You can manipulate the reverb characteristics and space using a convolution reverb. However if the recording is poor quality and the room is #e then it won't help. It sounds like complete #e in Westminster Abbey or in the wilds of Alaska. It still sounds like a horrible recording.

The only software I've seen that will completely change the words was a forensics software that cost damn near $1,200. Maybe something has came out and I missed it. Other wise it is cost prohibitive for most people.

it's just a matter of
available computing horsepower and time!

....Plus I still have not run across a program that can mix as well as a human. It might give you a pretty RTA, but it never catches the subtlety of the human ear and hand.

So one must be VERY CAREFUL when saying that something
cannot be done when there has been MANY YEARS of
proven scientific investigation into the direct modelling
and synthesis of artificial environments for autonomous
multimedia production. What has only NOW come into being
is the availability of inexpensive grid-based processing
software to divide up the workload of such modelling
and synthesis amongst MANY computers within a home-based
or corporate-based computing network.

And having available such power at ANYONE's fingertips
will UTTERLY AFFECT AND CHANGE how multimedia content
is produced and will thus affect the ECONOMICS of it's
production. It is highly likely that the arts will once more
become more personal for direct consumption by themselves
or a SMALL group of associates and friends.

The more "Popular Media Productions" will be coming
from corporate-based media machines that will use
their own machine-based "Artists" to produce and SELL
popular but relatively stale consumer-oriented PAP and PULP
to the great unwashed masses of mindless idiots and sputtering
media-consuming sheeple!

And if THAT sounds CYNCIAL and CONDESCENDING
that is my INTENT because I can tell you it is the
TRUTH, no matter how depressing it may be!

---

I understand your frustration with the types of filters you get in
Nuance, or Sound Forge or Pro Tools...but using a CONVOLUTION
filter when you REALLY need to do a boolean-logic pattern match
to remove the right frequencies and DIRECTLY synthesize acoustic
environments is the whole REASON I made my many posts!

Using the technology of YESTERYEAR when there are
far more advanced methods that have been physically
modelled using the techniques of physics-based acoustic
modelling and wave propogation science --- THAT is where
REAL qualitative advances have been made!

If you can model the acoustics of a sound wave as it propagates
within a 3D environment , one can directly MODEL and PREDICT
the actual sound portions/frequencies that are associated with
particular instruments and vocals which allows one to let the
software LEAVE the good stuff and take out ONLY the bad stuff.
I call this Ray-Tracing for Audio in my book!

A 3x3 or 5x5 or even 7x7 convolution-based hi-pass or lo-pass filter
is the OLD way --- We now use multi-state boolean logic trees
to model the propagation of ALMOST EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT
acoustic waveform within a 3D environment and thus we are able
to ZERO-IN on the specific sounds that are attached to physical instruments
or vocals and modify ONLY those sounds and NOTHING ELSE!
Or we can focus on the just the reflections or reverb which can be
re-synthesized into ANY OTHER acoustic environment.

It means I can take a Beyonce hit and MAKE it sound as if it was
TRULY SUNG within St. Pauls Cathederal and I can compensate
AND FIX vocal blunders or environmental imperfections.

I can also make Britney Spears sound like a true human
male with ALL of her intonations, tempo and vocal styles
kept intact but synthesizing the sounds emanating from her
vocal cords into sounds that would emanate from a man's
vocal cords based upon the physical modelling of the
structure of that male larynx and it's effect upon sounds
that would reflect and reverb around a particular room
type and change the waveforms of the accompanying
instrumentals to reform/reflect/reverb/interact with
the sounds of the synthesized vocal chords.

This is ultra-high-end data synthesis and it requires
SERIOUS computer horsepower....which is only NOW
possible in today's home computers.

Horsepower? LOTS AND LOTS of it which is why I designed a
massively parallel grid-processing system that turns unused
network computers into processing nodes to create an easy-to-use
virtual supercomputer which can be used for ANY type of
modelling or synthesis task, be it for sound, video, speech,
text or any other types of 2D or 3D dynamic multimedia creation.

I still say my mixer program can outperform ANY human operator
and I've had my software do a LIVE mix of over 20,000 TRACKS
of 192 KHz, 24-bit audio.....YES! YOU READ that correctly!!!!
20,000 tracks of high end audio LIVE mixed down to
a 7.1 Dolby EX mix!!!

It was a synthetic TEST production of 20,000 instruments
and vocals but it showed the system WORKS and works WELL!

If I can do fully-autonomous REAL-TIME mixing of 20,000 tracks
AND MASTERING to a 7.1 final mix on a network of 25 computers
running at 10 gigabit network speeds, imagine what it can do on
REAL COMPUTER HARDWARE such as a 64,000 IBM/Cell array
processor or even on a SINGLE 4-core Intel i7 home computer.

The economics of multimedia production are now
BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER with the ONLY LIMIT being
your network speed and size! My system actually supports
into the MANY TRILLIONS of audio & video tracks
(i.e. natural limit of a 64-bit integer number)
so there are NO LIMITS what you can do.




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[edit on 2010/6/30 by StargateSG7

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Reply to post by MrParanoid

Copyright?

Go complain to the library, thee video rental store, the used CD stores, and the video game outlets thatvsell used games.

Same #, different smell.


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Great thread that raises very relevant issues for these modern times.
Likewise it puzzled me what was in it for the capitalists when the net first started , almost everything was free to read download ect.
But I guess say the modern day Beatles or Elvis ect can now sell to the massses without production costs associated with record/cd manufacture.
There are no freight companies to pay to factory rental ect ect ectect.
Once all the free download sites are shut down the money made will be all profit with very little expense.
I predict perhaps only a very few sites being responsible for the sale of music in the very near future.
It will all be a monopoly again.
Soon perhaps even life will be an electronic equivalent, downloadable on the net.....for a price of course.

Originally posted by MikeNice81

Originally posted by debunky
Variable cost is 0
Torrent
9 billion copies cost exactly the same as 3.

The variable cost has to include physical product because not everyone wants a digital file. I refuse to buy 128Kbs MP3s. I want a physical product and I am willing to pay for it. There are still people out there like me. This means that the cost of that product has to be figured in to distribution.

So on a torrent do I get a download with the same speed as with dedicated band with? I haven't tried it. From how it was explained to me it varies depending on the number of people logged in to the network at a given time. So couldn't it be slower if say only 10 people were logged in to an artist's particular area on the iTunes network?

[edit on 29-6-2010 by MikeNice81]

For small stuff like MP3s you wouldnt notice. But it is true that obscure movies can take a while. (I usually have the current Doctor Who episode, airing in britain at 18:30 around ... 9ish, 10 on a slow night, and I am GMT+1)
And I actually do see market potential there: I would pay for access to well seeded downloads! But paying for a right to use digital data, with severe limitations? Not if I have an alternative.
As for your preference for physical media: Yes, people like you exist. There will be people who produce these things for you, if it makes you happy enough to pay them money. Nobody is stopping you, to vote with your wallet. I vote with mine.

Originally posted by StargateSG7

I call "pics or it didn't happen" on this. Let's hear it, Stargate. Show us this process, make a video of it and post some audio. I want to see this. And hear Britney Spears perfectly as a man

Originally posted by mattifikation
Well... movies and television shows cost money to produce - lots of it. Millions of dollars. Software is created on a big budget, also. Many of today's programs have millions of lines of code - one person would take a lifetime to do all that. Songs can be made by anyone with instruments, but require a phenomenal degree of talent and teamwork by the band members which deserves to be rewarded.

If all of this stuff was free, how would the people who create it get by? Should they go on welfare or something?

The movie industry has already been cutting Budgets for movies. Thats good because we may get more substance and less glitz in movies then. But if taken too far we would be left with nothing in the future.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The welfare mentality, which is what this is, is not only destructive to the individual, it is destructive to a society..

I wonder if people know that it is already in FULL effect in the entirety of the young Generation. It came unnoticed.

On a more speculative note, maybe the global financial meltdown has something to do with the Internet. I havent gone shopping in months because I get more out of the social contacts in the internet than browsing through piles of stuff.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Big Media is as slow as a dying dinosaur. Only a handful are prompt in response. For instance South Park was smart enough to put the full versions of their shows on their site, in full quality, with censors removed. All you have to endure is 3 commercials the entire show.

When anyone can go download the entire South Park megatorrent it'd be absurd to not do this, but Big Media doesn't get it.

Big Media could be making money but they are going down because they refuse to face reality.

I dont think piracy is pretty but I at least acknowledge that my cause is a lost cause and that we need to deal with the new times ahead.

Big media will probably only wake up after the fact, after they are broke.

[EDIT:pointless post...]

[edit on 30/6/10 by B.Morrison]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I wonder if people know that it is already in FULL effect in the entirety of the young Generation. It came unnoticed.

the generation that you refer to is the first in many decades who can look to the past and go "oh wait! things were better back then & you morons screwed it up!!!"

there was still hope when I was a kid. if these kids were born 96' or later, can you blame them for not giving a flying fark about sustaining the system that failed THEM, for the people that failed them & themselves??.

just 2 cent....

-B.M

[edit on 30/6/10 by B.Morrison]

anyone considered file sharing could be the BEST tool we have at our disposal to educate ourselves about TBTB?

my personal library alone would put all the T&C abiding additions to this site to shame, and I am not even an 'apprentice' pirate...yar har har...



[edit on 30/6/10 by B.Morrison]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by B.Morrison

 

"If I dont balance things out they will be balanced out"? - yeah, I could see that. Good point.

Thats not at all what I meant, I was talking about Karma.

I believe in Karma & experience evidence of it every day,
Karma keeps me in check.

no need for sarcasm, I gave you more credit then that.

-B.M

[edit on 30/6/10 by B.Morrison]

reply to post by daskakik

Filesharing did not give a right to the consumer. Show me anywhere it is written that a right has been given to you or any filesharer to use my song w/o my permission.
But at least you have more honesty than most folks. You admit you're a thief.
Your parents must be proud.


[edit on 30-6-2010 by rick1]

NOTE: Im sorry if my posts are not in sync with current Discussion, Im reading the entire thread and currently reside on page 12.

Originally posted by B.Morrison

this might sound absurd..
but if you downloaded the book,
and then posted a cheque or money order directly to the author,
to the price of what you WOULD have paid in the 'lovely' bookstore,
you would bypass ALL overhead AND the publishers cut,
and ALL the intended monetary value/profit of the artowork
would go straight to the artist who created it.
if you care so passionately about paying your favorite authors (and being paid yourself), you might be better off doing things that way instead.

Doesnt sound absurd, its actually a good idea. Because, contrary to what some think here, I really do care for the financial welfare of artists and creatives.

Internet, to some extent, allows us to pay authors and musicians directly because many of them have their own private websites.

Originally posted by B.Morrison

no need for sarcasm, I gave you more credit then that.

There was no sarcasm. I understood and agreed with your point. Quit being so negative.

reply to post by Skyfloating


aha, will do. there's an oversupply of negetive neds as it is. S+F for restoring my faith.

-B.M

reply to post by debunky

Are you a musician? Do you record your own or anyones music? Just curious Dude.

reply to post by rick1

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by daskakik

 

Musicians and songwriters have to wise up. They need to stop placing their entire song online. You can hear 1 minute of mine. That is enough time to hear the verse and the chorus and plenty of time to decide if you like it enough to buy it. If you you don't like my price go ahead pal you can steal as many one minute clips of mine as you want. Just think if every musician and songwriter did that. We're working on getting the word out.

The point is, it doesn't matter how much of your music you put on the net. What matters is how much of your music someone else puts on the net. If I upload your cd to a filesharing site, that cd is now free to anyone who wishes to download it.