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Originally posted by darkelf
reply to post by daskakik
Originally posted by daskakik
I can listen/read/watch your goods and I decide what it's worth. Put a donation button on your site or blog or whatever and I will donate if I think your product is worth it but if you push and try to strong arm me into paying what you want then I will push back and just rob you. It's that simple.
YIKES! I used to know a kid, a few years back, that was a thug. When I asked him why he stole, he told me that it wasn't fair for someone to have something that he couldn't buy. So if he saw something he wanted, he just took it. He died not long after that in some gang violence.
So that is the future of the world? If I don't like the asking price,I'll just take it?
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by debunky
It should reduce price. However, it should not make things free. It still takes time and effort to write, record, mix, and put together the art work. The cost is not zero.
$0.99 seems fair for a song to me. I buy cds though because I prefer the sound quality to that of compressed 128Kbs MP3s. I buy them from Amazon usually. Amazon usually charges less than $17.00 a cd and if I buy more than $25.00 worth of stuff they will ship it to me free.
I am willing to pay the extra price for what I want. If you don't want the extra price then you can pay $0.99 and get the song you want. Usually the whole album is only $10 or $12.
If you don't want to do that a lot of places like Rhapsody offer a monthly service with unlimited music for $15 or less. If you dont want to do that you can go to the Internet Archive and download books, movies, music, and more that are in the public domain. Some of these are new productions that the artists are giving away. You can also go to Pandora or Jango and listen to custom radio stations free of charge.
The price has dropped and the amount of free stuff has risen. There is no need, or justification, for the theft of an artist's work.
I am using technology to my advantage and if you can't survive in the music industry well, maybe its time to change. We as humans don't need music or entertainment, you think you need it. But you really dont. The media wants you to go to the concert, call in to the radio to request your favorite song, will tell you what jeniffer lopez newsest movie is coming out. I don't care. I could do without it.
They are nothing special to me, never have been, never will be. All they do is provide a mediocre service to entertain my ears while I am at the gym or driving are are not necessary in our life
Originally posted by MikeNice81
The price has dropped and the amount of free stuff has risen. There is no need, or justification, for the theft of an artist's work.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by debunky
It should reduce price. However, it should not make things free. It still takes time and effort to write, record, mix, and put together the art work. The cost is not zero.
You also have to figure in the time it takes to upload the music to Itunes, Rhapsody, and other services. Then you have to monitor it to make sure everything is working properly, plus you have to go through from time to time and check downloads versus money paid to make sure everything is right. If you get a service to do it for you then you have to pay an initial fee and a "maintenance" fee. So it still cost the artist.
$0.99 seems fair for a song to me. I buy cds though because I prefer the sound quality to that of compressed 128Kbs MP3s. I buy them from Amazon usually. Amazon usually charges less than $17.00 a cd and if I buy more than $25.00 worth of stuff they will ship it to me free.
I am willing to pay the extra price for what I want. If you don't want the extra price then you can pay $0.99 and get the song you want. Usually the whole album is only $10 or $12.
If you don't want to do that a lot of places like Rhapsody offer a monthly service with unlimited music for $15 or less. If you dont want to do that you can go to the Internet Archive and download books, movies, music, and more that are in the public domain. Some of these are new productions that the artists are giving away. You can also go to Pandora or Jango and listen to custom radio stations free of charge.
The price has dropped and the amount of free stuff has risen. There is no need, or justification, for the theft of an artist's work.
[edit on 29-6-2010 by MikeNice81]
I just wish that artists would stop sticking up for the bloated middle man which creates nothing and takes from both the artist and the fan.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by daskakik
I just wish that artists would stop sticking up for the bloated middle man which creates nothing and takes from both the artist and the fan.
The bloated middle man has a staff that spends their time researching new places to market your material. From blogs, to weekly circulars, to international magazines. They spend hours everyday building a datbase of places that might review your work or write a feature on you and increase your exposure. Then they take time to keep it updated. On top of that they are calling these people, writing them, sending them promo material, and trying to get you more exposure.
They have guys that spend all day calling radio station directors and show host making sure they recieved your newest material and trying to convince them to play it. They have to research all of these places so that is more time.
Another part of the label is working looking for opportunities to license your music or image. They then have to do all of the leg work of trying to convince these people to use your stuff instead of somebody else's.
Then there is the guy that makes sure your posters and flyers get out to promote your tour through the western states. He is also calling radio stations and college stations in or near where you will be playing in hopes that they will partner up for some kind of promotion.
There is somebody calling independent record stores to help set up value adds and personal appearances. He is also calling radio stations trying to get you some interview time.
It takes a team of people to do all of this while the artist does things like perform, write music, travel between shows, autograph signings, radio interviews, meet and greets, and so on and so forth.
It isn't as simple as give away your music + gig a lot = a following. The labels really do a lot of work on behalf of artists. Especially inie labels.
I'm not saying that CEOs should make five million a year. I'm saying don't think the middle man is doing nothing.
Costs for recordings have decreased as well in the past years. A mid-range PC can do today what you had to have a sound engineer & studio for just a few years ago.
So: basecost went down, variable cost is 0.
If we assume that we paid 10.000 dollars for the recording/composing after 1.000.000 customers (not all that many) we would have to charge fractions of a cent.
By the time Radiohead began their first North American tour in June 1993, the music video for "Creep" was in heavy rotation on MTV.[10] The song rose to number two on the US modern rock chart, entered the lower reaches of the top 40 pop chart,
Originally posted by debunky
Variable cost is 0
Torrent
9 billion copies cost exactly the same as 3.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
So on a torrent do I get a download with the same speed as with dedicated band with? I haven't tried it. From how it was explained to me it varies depending on the number of people logged in to the network at a given time. So couldn't it be slower if say only 10 people were logged in to an artist's particular area on the iTunes network?
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by MikeNice81
There you go doing it again. You keep thinking you need them and that they deserve what they take as their cut because they say so? That's the scam on the artist. They have all these people moving and making this thing happen cause they care for you and your art.
You can get your stuff listened to by giving it away. If people like it they will head on over to your site drop a couple of bucks and find out where and when they can check you out.
The best part is that for those tasks that actually need people to actually get done, you could hire people locally and pay them a fair price without paying for the bloated parts of a record company like over paid CEOs, unused space, equipment and/or human resources.
Don't know how much it would cost, in man hours, but it's gotta be less than the 80% to 90% they take on CD sales.
Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by StargateSG7
I am curious what is your background in music? I read your post twice but I didn't see anywhere you made mention of qualifications that would allow you to make those types of judgements.
Also quantity has no bearing in quality of music. Smarter? Artists are certainly intelligent but have never been accused of being Einstein. More artistic? Come on Dude even you know being artistic is subjective from the buyers point of view.
You may be right or you may be wrong but that is not the point. The point is why would any civilization relinquish their most prized and creative activities to machines? That is a step back not a step forward!
Originally posted by MikeNice81
Most smaller labels and small imprints do hire locally and work on a shoe string budget.
Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by debunky
Costs for recordings have decreased as well in the past years. A mid-range PC can do today what you had to have a sound engineer & studio for just a few years ago.
No it can't. It can record information if you have the correct interface. It however can not fix the acoustics in your room. It can not provided access to tens of thousands of dollars worth of the industries best microphones, preamps, and plug ins. It can not provide a technician to make sure every piece of equipment works properly and any piece that breaks is fixed. It can not provide an intern to run buy extra strings or lunch so that you can concentrate fully on what is happening in the studio.
It also can not ensure that your music is properly mixed. Lets face it that is really one of the most important parts. If you have something artistic worth saying it is worth saying so that people understand it. You don't walk around talking with cotton in your mouth. You don't type weird letters and symbols that nobody can recognize. If you say something you want people to completely understand what you are communicating. Why should it be anything less with your "art." Art is supposed to transcend normal communication. So, why hobble it with bad sound quality?
A computer gives you the ability to record something using the interfaces and tools you can afford. A studio and engineer give you the ability to rent more than you could afford yourself and a chance to turn that sound you dreamed of in to a reality.