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What If Adam and Eve Didn't Sin?

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posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 02:42 AM
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So does this race of physical beings still exist today? If so, would it be fair to say that these beings are the ETs that so many people witness.




posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by taccj9903
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So does this race of physical beings still exist today? If so, would it be fair to say that these beings are the ETs that so many people witness.

You ask great questions.

To be honest I don't know.

And strangely enough I do Feel that some of the craft seen in our skies may be this race, among others. Only time will tell. I won't enter into discussion on their supposed home world due to it being howled down here many times in the past, and us at present not having any external proofs for it.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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Life is one big contest or better yet, a GAME.

There is a God and there is a Devil. A good guy and a bad guy.

Both made a bet to see how many humans they can get on either side . Maybe there was a pre-determined number of humans? So, after all the humans are born, then there will be a war between both sides and whoever wins will inherit the earth.

Lol... Just speculating...

Whatever the truth is behind the universe, people and good and evil, we have not a clue as to why the hell are we on earth and why we have choices between right and wrong. I guess we have to wait until we DIE to find out.



[edit on 28-6-2010 by myeyeshavseen]



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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If Adam and Eve didn't sin, then there would be no Bible to indoctrinate people with. So the only obvious option was to brainwash people into thinking that they are corrupt, sinful, and headed for eternal hellfire unless they accept a "loving" god that rewards us with paradise for blind devotion.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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they were created as equals but she refused to take God's word of male dominance. Which was why I was so curious as to what the world would be like if women weren't looked down upon for not doing as man said.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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When God was about to send Cain out of the Garden for slaying his brother he talked with his dad 'Adam' about his fears. Yes? What were those fears?

He asked concernedly about his safety with "the Others" who lived outside the Garden, and was scared they would kill him. He was told to take a wife from "the Others", which is what he did apparently.

So dear people, WHO are THE OTHERS if Adam, Eve and their two boys were supposedly the only human beings on the planet at the time?


Cain was never in the Garden. Adam and Eve left after they sinned. Cain and Able and all thier other children were born outside the Garden.
Genesis 5:4
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
If you just read the Book, you would have the answers.

As for books older that the Bible, God didn't inspire or preserve them. If they survived, it wasn't by God's power, so I'm not interested in them.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Have you read Genesis 1? Look at this:
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God didn't put the man in charge until after the fall. Eve was decieved, she wanted to do right, but made the wrong decision, Adam knew it was wrong, but did it anyway. He was in rebellion, but he was also more discerning, so he was appointed.
Every corporation has a CEO, schools have principals, countires have kings or presidents. Every organization has a "the buck stops here" person. God started that. Happened in Genesis 3:16 "he shall rule over thee." No sin, no need for anyone to be in charge. Simple, read the Book.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Tayesin

Originally posted by taccj9903
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So does this race of physical beings still exist today? If so, would it be fair to say that these beings are the ETs that so many people witness.

You ask great questions.

To be honest I don't know.

And strangely enough I do Feel that some of the craft seen in our skies may be this race, among others. Only time will tell. I won't enter into discussion on their supposed home world due to it being howled down here many times in the past, and us at present not having any external proofs for it.



It would make for a very interesting discussion. I think it stands to reason that if ET was here sometime in the past and "created" us, then they would still be here or at least pay a visit now and then.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by myeyeshavseen


Whatever the truth is behind the universe, people and good and evil, we have not a clue as to why the hell are we on earth and why we have choices between right and wrong. I guess we have to wait until we DIE to find out.



[edit on 28-6-2010 by myeyeshavseen]


I have always felt that way too, hopefully we will find out after we die, if we don't that is messed up!!



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by shapeshiftress
Cain was never in the Garden. Adam and Eve left after they sinned. Cain and Able and all thier other children were born outside the Garden.
Genesis 5:4
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
If you just read the Book, you would have the answers.


Dear sister that depends on what version and age of the Bible you read. Please, I have studied it in a formal group and so do understand well.

Yes, I have also studied very well the Original Writings of the first book of the Torah, know to you as Genesis in your bible.

It is a fact that cannot be argued that this Genesis is the same but highly edited version of the Sumerian works.


Originally posted by shapeshiftress
As for books older that the Bible, God didn't inspire or preserve them. If they survived, it wasn't by God's power, so I'm not interested in them.


Please excuse my bluntness here....

Nothing can happen without the support of 'God'... either directly or through witholding.. it is simply not possible for anything to happen without such support.

As you no doubt would agree, your God does things in mysterious ways, Yes? And it is usually not our understanding of Why? Yes?

All Belief-Systems have Limitations to what you can experience of Reality. It is okay if you choose to live so limited.

As I've said before, I don't come to destroy your religion, I come to open your eyes and ears so that you may understand more clearly what it is based on and how it came to be in the world.

Did you not know that all people undergo Indoctrination? It happens from the moment you are born and is modelled by Media, Family and Friends to insure you never, ever, look outside the Limitations.

So I chose to open my eyes and ears to see and hear clearly beyond the face-value of the words in use. I studied wide and far, and had many extremely unusual experiences in this life that brought me to an understanding of what we are as Spirit.

We could say Your God has a plan for me and I simply follow the Light to know what I should do. I find this much more Loving and Clear than simply Believing what was indoctrinated into me, as for me, this way is a Living Way and not anchored to a dead past so far back in the mists of time that we virtually only know what Victors wrote about everything whic leaves us with heavily biased understandings.

No offense meant by any of my words to you.

Be Well.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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What if Adam did not sin. The first thing is that at creation there were massive other living worlds to live on. Mars was one of them. Its lost is noted in old Indian manuscripts and even in native indian oral traditions. As you can see with the old structures on the moon and Mars mankind once did live there for a short period then by wars it can to an end. Mars is no longer a living world. As far as intelligent life on other worlds I don't believe it. However there are angels and demons and other creations related to heaven out there. To move to these worlds no space ships needed just flash your there if God so desires. Your right population by mankind would quickly out grown the earth with no death rates. It is not the population of mankind that still makes me wonder about this subject but that of animals how their populations would be controlled is unknown. The following is the nature of Adams curse....

Adams curse

One of the worse things that can happen to a person is to get what they want. You see the in the plagues on Egypt being the gods they worshiped. In the tower of babel being that they burned bricks so God burned their bricks in judgment and in Adam and Eves curse.

Creation was like looking into a mirror perfection looking at perfection and it may be why Paul commented the way he did when he talked about 3rd heaven. What happened at Adam's curse was that nature became a mix of good and evil. Also the thinking and intents of Adam, Eve and Satan. Due that 99% of the world is now extinct. It is harder to see this story today and God's judgment on Eve that she would have pain in child birth clearly we do not know all what they said and was thinking then anyway. However the mix is clear in Scripture. For example a lion is a type of Christ but also a type a Satan as it roars and eats flesh. It is hard to think of a lion with different teeth, digestive tract, no aggressive looks, and eating grass. It also would have given off a very different sound. Many animals also blend into natures back ground to hide. You see this as Adam and Eve used fig leaves (In likely fig trees) to hide from God. Note they at first said nothing when called. Just as at the tower peoples tongues were changed so was nature at the curse. Animals do talk as they proved that with chickens and that even goes down to the smallest of creatures as everyone was mind blown that there is communication with viruses and etc. It is because of this many drugs don't work after time. It is well known that there is communication in the plant world in its own way. It just make one wonder knowing that at one time we understood far more out there of what they were saying. There is one Scripture of interest Proverbs 11:3 The integrity of the upright shall guild them... Integrity in Hebrew means unreserve submission. You see this in many Scriptures and the prophets. So now you know we live in a "Alice in wonderland" nature and you can study good and evil to become wise.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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What if Adam did not sin. The first thing is that at creation there were massive other living worlds to live on. Mars was one of them. Its lost is noted in old Indian manuscripts and even in native indian oral traditions. As you can see with the old structures on the moon and Mars mankind once did live there for a short period then by wars it can to an end. Mars is no longer a living world. As far as intelligent life on other worlds I don't believe it. However there are angels and demons and other creations related to heaven out there. To move to these worlds no space ships needed just flash your there if God so desires. Your right population by mankind would quickly out grown the earth with no death rates. It is not the population of mankind that still makes me wonder about this subject but that of animals how their populations would be controlled is unknown. The following is the nature of Adams curse....

Adams curse

One of the worse things that can happen to a person is to get what they want. You see the in the plagues on Egypt being the gods they worshiped. In the tower of babel being that they burned bricks so God burned their bricks in judgment and in Adam and Eves curse.

Creation was like looking into a mirror perfection looking at perfection and it may be why Paul commented the way he did when he talked about 3rd heaven. What happened at Adam's curse was that nature became a mix of good and evil. Also the thinking and intents of Adam, Eve and Satan. Due that 99% of the world is now extinct. It is harder to see this story today and God's judgment on Eve that she would have pain in child birth clearly we do not know all what they said and was thinking then anyway. However the mix is clear in Scripture. For example a lion is a type of Christ but also a type a Satan as it roars and eats flesh. It is hard to think of a lion with different teeth, digestive tract, no aggressive looks, and eating grass. It also would have given off a very different sound. Many animals also blend into natures back ground to hide. You see this as Adam and Eve used fig leaves (In likely fig trees) to hide from God. Note they at first said nothing when called. Just as at the tower peoples tongues were changed so was nature at the curse. Animals do talk as they proved that with chickens and that even goes down to the smallest of creatures as everyone was mind blown that there is communication with viruses and etc. It is because of this many drugs don't work after time. It is well known that there is communication in the plant world in its own way. It just make one wonder knowing that at one time we understood far more out there of what they were saying. There is one Scripture of interest Proverbs 11:3 The integrity of the upright shall guild them... Integrity in Hebrew means unreserve submission. You see this in many Scriptures and the prophets. So now you know we live in a "Alice in wonderland" nature and you can study good and evil to become wise.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by taccj9903

My question is what would have happened if Adam and Eve didn't sin. Would we have a bunch of naked vegetarians running around today? What about the fact that eventually the earth would have run out of room for all those people. Let's face it, if people reproduced and no one ever died wouldn't there eventually be an over population problem? If people were without sin and naked would they only live in warm climates, or was the entire earth meant to be warm before sin entered the picture. If people lived forever on earth wouldn't they eventually see and do everything there is to do and get bored with it?




My question is what would have happened if Adam and Eve didn't sin.
WE WOULD OF REMAINED PERFECT NON DYING CREATURES

Would we have a bunch of naked vegetarians running around today?
JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER INTELLIGENT ANIMALS

What about the fact that eventually the earth would have run out of room for all those people.
THERE WOULD OF BEEN AN ADVANCE STAGE WHERE ALL PERFECTIONS WOULD OF MORPHED TO THEIR HIGHER SELVES AND RETURNED TO THE KINGDOM---THE DEMON SNAKE TAUGHT US OF DEATH WICH THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH AND WANTED SOME COMPANY TO MORN WITH. THE ANIMALS HAVE SPACE AND SEEM TO BE OK-EXCEPT FOR WHEN OUR KNOWLEDGABLE ARSES GO DESTROY THEIR HOMES FOR A SAY AIRPORT OR SOMETHING MORE INDUSTRIAL

Let's face it, if people reproduced and no one ever died wouldn't there eventually be an over population problem?
NO, YOU ARE SEEING IT THRU SINFUL EYES PERFECTION WE WOULD OF WENT TO THE HEAVENS EVENTUALLY

If people were without sin and naked would they only live in warm climates, or was the entire earth meant to be warm before sin entered the picture.
YOU HAD MORE HAIR LOL LOL LOL THAT WOULD OF SHEDDED BUT SOMEHOW THAT HAIR WAS LOST OR INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED TO ALLOW INTERIOR EARTH ACTIVITIES THAT MAY HAVE CAUSED TO MUCH DISCOMFORT DUE TO US BEING SUCH HAIRY CREATURES...

If people lived forever on earth wouldn't they eventually see and do everything there is to do and get bored with it?
YOU ARE DESTINED FOR THE HEAVENS WERE THERE IS SPACE FOR US ALL!!!!


[edit on 6/30/10 by Ophiuchus 13]



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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The story of Adam and Eve is a story that shows the transition from people living as nomadic hunter gatherers with no rules, to a civilization based on agriculture and thus rules. The primitive people, all though they could have wore cloths for warmth or comfort purposes, didn't wear cloths as we do, to hide our naked selves. Once Adam and Eve "realized they were naked", law and order was introduced, aka slavery. The way nomadic, natural people lived their lives, it is doubtful they would have been able to spur the type of population that we see in humans today. Their food source, all though predictable, healthier, and easier to acquire then modern food sources, was/is limited to what the world provides for them. Therefore only a limited amount of people can be sustained.



posted on Jun, 30 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Interesting topic ...

My feeling is Adam & Eve represented the first humans ... God created them perfect & thru their own choices their soul condition deteriorated meaning they chose independence from God . And they were given this freewill choice by God. Who has not interfered since.

I don't believe this fall ocurred in one minute by the choice of Adam & Eve but was gradual as generations were born & died but they did start the wheel rolling. It's about self reliance vs. God reliance.

There is also the presumption that this is the only place to be .. planet earth. That seems silly to me. What about the spirit world ?? Hasn't anyone noticed yet we don't seem to be the only ones here ?? Hasn't just about everyone had experiences or known someone who has regarding spirits ?? Communication with the Other Side ?? I know I have since i was a wee young lad. So the population probelm i don't think would ever have been an issue. EArth is like kindergarten. We do live forever just not on this plane.



posted on Jul, 1 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Religious nuts love their capital letters.

Without the adam and eve story, there'd be less gullible people being controlled by the bible. Maybe...



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 11:13 PM
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What would be the point of going to heaven if our bodies were made to survive here on earth?



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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The Adam and Eve story is an allegory on how a certain group of beings overtime fell from a high spiritual station to a low one based on the science of states.

The Garden of Eden is an Allegory for the celestial light body inside all humans that holds these states of consciousness deep inside our being.

It is a very complex, yet comprehensible story, that is revealed all in this book:

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posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 11:52 PM
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What kind of God would God be if He didn't know man would sin.

It has to do with salvation of the created souls who had already been created. At least that is the most plausible explanation.

Why would God create a species that would lead to billions of souls having to be punished for outright rebellion against Him?

It just doesn't make sense unless something happened prior to this advent in which all of these souls would need to be tried for something they had done or a path they had taken prior to this current advent.

I could gbo on but I think you know me and I you, and perhaps you have already heard my theory about what this is all about.



posted on Jul, 2 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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Perhaps the whole story of Adam and Eve is just a made up fable and never really happened, that would explain a lot.



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