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What If Adam and Eve Didn't Sin?

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posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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I'm not a believer in bible stories anymore, but I used to be a Christian so I still wonder about a lot of things I was taught about the bible and creation. I guess one of the many questions I had that was never answered had to do with the story in Genesis.

We read that God created Adam and Eve perfect without sin, they sinned and we are what we are today, no need to go into that story.

My question is what would have happened if Adam and Eve didn't sin. Would we have a bunch of naked vegetarians running around today? What about the fact that eventually the earth would have run out of room for all those people. Let's face it, if people reproduced and no one ever died wouldn't there eventually be an over population problem? If people were without sin and naked would they only live in warm climates, or was the entire earth meant to be warm before sin entered the picture. If people lived forever on earth wouldn't they eventually see and do everything there is to do and get bored with it?




posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:08 AM
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Hmm, interesting!

Just to make my stance, I do not believe in the stories in the Bible.

If the bible is true, then I think that God WANTED Adam and Eve to sin. He knew that they both would sin before he put them in the garden, yet he did it anyway.

But anyway, if Adam and Eve did not sin, I do not think they would reproduce either. I think they would simply spend eternity in the garden.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Hitotsumami]



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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Perhaps their sin was in wearing the lambskin aprons that "god" made for them. Thus, they gave up their independence for obligation and became a part of "the dark side."



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:22 AM
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If Adam and Eve had not "sinned" we would all be living in Paradise.

Not that God actually punished us, but believing we can judge good and evil makes your make your own life a hell when it doesnt need to be. If you are naked and warm, all of a sudden you judge naked as shameful, and feel bad about it. When before, you were just happy and didnt think about it. If you have food, you begin to worry about tomorrows food, instead of trusting you will find tomorrows food tomorrow, you begin to dig and toil in the Earth to produce extra for later. It causes a chain reaction in which you Eden turns into a hell simply because of your own thinking.

We have never physically left Eden. Its why Jesus said "that the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" Not that it was coming soon, but that you could touch it now. If you could be "like a child" and full of trust and empty of judgment. You are still in heaven, in a perfect world, but your judgments and the judgments of all the rest of us make this heaven seem like a hell.

How Jesus intended to redeem us was not by his dying, it was by how he lived. He hoped to show people that unconditional trust, and love, and lack of judgment would create a heaven on Earth. But after he was killed his words got all twisted around by Paul who was a charlatan.

I also think that we were not really immortal to begin with, but that we just would not "know" death and fear it, worry about it, etc. We would have lived free of the fear of what came next, because we would not have judged change as "evil" and we would have trusted God, no matter what happened.

In other spiritual terms, we would have lived like Buddhas, not judging, not fearing, and full of acceptance.


Mind you this is how I see it. And you will get many other responses that disagree. I am not telling you what to think, or trying to convince you, just offering my take on your question.


Good luck with your question.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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The theory goes, that Adam and Eve were not strictly mortal beings, but from a higher realm of consciousness living in a sort of spiritual paradise.

They were warned not to eat of the fruit of knowledge, but to live a pure life of innocence.

Unfortunately they were tempted, and sinned, and the resulting shame was punished by trapping them in this mortal plane.

Basically they made the wrong choice and were booted out of heaven.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by Hitotsumami
Hmm, interesting!

Just to make my stance, I do not believe in the stories in the Bible.

If the bible is true, then I think that God WANTED Adam and Eve to sin. He knew that they both would sin before he put them in the garden, yet he did it anyway.

But anyway, if Adam and Eve did not sin, I do not think they would reproduce either. I think they would simply spend eternity in the garden.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Hitotsumami]


Interesting about not reproducing, does that mean no sex or just great birth control? Anyway God tells them in the bible before they sin to be fruitful and multiply.

Gen 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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@ Illusionsaregrander

Hmm, interesting!

I understand that you said you were not trying to convince anyone or change their views. That is quite respectable! I hope you do not mind me examining your post a bit further! This is no offense towards you, and I am also not trying to convince you of anything else. Analyzing a post is simply a broader view of things, and something interesting for me to do!


Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

If Adam and Eve had not "sinned" we would all be living in Paradise.

Not that God actually punished us, but believing we can judge good and evil makes your make your own life a hell when it doesnt need to be. If you are naked and warm, all of a sudden you judge naked as shameful, and feel bad about it. When before, you were just happy and didnt think about it. If you have food, you begin to worry about tomorrows food, instead of trusting you will find tomorrows food tomorrow, you begin to dig and toil in the Earth to produce extra for later. It causes a chain reaction in which you Eden turns into a hell simply because of your own thinking.


Hmm! Your first point is God did not actually punish us. I have to disagree here. God knew before he created Adam and Eve of the things they would do, but he allowed it to occur. It sounds to me that the 'punishment' was in plan before he even created them.

The world is like hell? I have to agree there. There is quite a lot of problems in the world. However, I do not think we should particularly view it AS hell. I think we should always look towards the good things and continue our knowledge to achieve this goodness. I think the fact that we are able to think is a wonderful thing! Without it we could not have this conversation in the first place.



We have never physically left Eden. Its why Jesus said "that the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" Not that it was coming soon, but that you could touch it now. If you could be "like a child" and full of trust and empty of judgment. You are still in heaven, in a perfect world, but your judgments and the judgments of all the rest of us make this heaven seem like a hell.


I do not think it is wise to be like a child in the real world. I believe one should always question and always be skeptic. Judging people is a GOOD thing, because we use judging to determine if a situation or a person is good to be around or not. Now, I'm not saying it's good to judge them without any evidence to back up that they are dangerous/harmful. You should always have 'empty judgment' at first.



How Jesus intended to redeem us was not by his dying, it was by how he lived. He hoped to show people that unconditional trust, and love, and lack of judgment would create a heaven on Earth. But after he was killed his words got all twisted around by Paul who was a charlatan.


Hmm! This is a very interesting thing you propose! I wonder why God would allow the meaning of his only son to be twisted by man? I would think that his holy word and it's meaning would be well preserved, without flaw or error.


I also think that we were not really immortal to begin with, but that we just would not "know" death and fear it, worry about it, etc. We would have lived free of the fear of what came next, because we would not have judged change as "evil" and we would have trusted God, no matter what happened.


I do not think everyone fears death! I think everyone fears the process of dying, but not the end result. In my own opinion, I do not. Death is a natural thing, and I am willing to accept it, although I would certainly try to avoid it.

Anyway, I just wanted to post my own opinion in response to yours about what life would be like if Adam and Eve never sinned! Again, I mean no ill will towards you and I mean not to change your opinion. I am just offering my own, because it is an enjoyable thing for me to do!

Kind regards

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Hitotsumami]



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by taccj9903

Originally posted by Hitotsumami
Hmm, interesting!

Just to make my stance, I do not believe in the stories in the Bible.

If the bible is true, then I think that God WANTED Adam and Eve to sin. He knew that they both would sin before he put them in the garden, yet he did it anyway.

But anyway, if Adam and Eve did not sin, I do not think they would reproduce either. I think they would simply spend eternity in the garden.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Hitotsumami]


Interesting about not reproducing, does that mean no sex or just great birth control? Anyway God tells them in the bible before they sin to be fruitful and multiply.

Gen 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."


Interesting! I have to take back my statement and say that it seems that they would indeed repopulate. I would have to go with the original OP and say that there would pretty much be a lot of vegetarians.

However, as far as I am aware, the Garden was not very large in the first place. It certainly could not hold TOO many people.

To add, in my own opinion, I would not find a place like this particularly interesting. Searching for answers and discovering the truth is a beauty in life.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Hitotsumami]



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by Silver Shadow
The theory goes, that Adam and Eve were not strictly mortal beings, but from a higher realm of consciousness living in a sort of spiritual paradise.

They were warned not to eat of the fruit of knowledge, but to live a pure life of innocence.

Unfortunately they were tempted, and sinned, and the resulting shame was punished by trapping them in this mortal plane.

Basically they made the wrong choice and were booted out of heaven.



Thanks for the comment, I've never heard that theory before. I based my questions on the idea that Adam and Eve were just like you and me except without sin. I am just trying to imagine what life would be like today if sin never entered into the picture.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:53 AM
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It would get boring.
We would also have no apples.
Third line.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:55 AM
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Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.-1Tim2.4

I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.-Rev21.2



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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Then we would still be animals. Their sin was to gain self-awareness hence being self-aware of their nakedness and now knowing the difference between good and evil with the ability to also choose between the two in their actions. Leaving the Garden of Eden was actually leaving the world of ignorance that animals live in where good and evil doesn’t exist.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by g146541
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It would get boring.
We would also have no apples.
Third line.


I've often wondered if we were created to be immortal in fleshly bodies could we still die? I'm sure as long as we didn't put ourselves in harms way we would continue to live forever but what about accidents?



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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Let's do some math.

One naked guy plus one naked girl minus a clergyguy equals Inevitable sin


It's a clear cut case of bad organisation by the 'Management.' As dumb an idea as that short-lived Creationist Zoo with the cats and pigeons enclosure.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by No King but Jesus
Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.-1Tim2.4

I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.-Rev21.2





Ok, what does that have to do with my question? And by the way, if Adam wasn't deceived it would have meant he made a conscious decision to disobey God, which is worse what Adam did or what Eve did?



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by taccj9903
I'm not a believer in bible stories anymore, but I used to be a Christian so I still wonder about a lot of things I was taught about the bible and creation. I guess one of the many questions I had that was never answered had to do with the story in Genesis.

We read that God created Adam and Eve perfect without sin, they sinned and we are what we are today, no need to go into that story.

My question is what would have happened if Adam and Eve didn't sin. Would we have a bunch of naked vegetarians running around today? What about the fact that eventually the earth would have run out of room for all those people. Let's face it, if people reproduced and no one ever died wouldn't there eventually be an over population problem? If people were without sin and naked would they only live in warm climates, or was the entire earth meant to be warm before sin entered the picture. If people lived forever on earth wouldn't they eventually see and do everything there is to do and get bored with it?




With respect to the OP. It says in the bible that God created Eve from one of Adam's ribs... It does not_explain "how-when" Adam was created. The first two pages of the bible is interesting, I do think.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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You are right, the bible also tells us that Adam was helping God name all the animals, if you read the bible like a timeline you might be led to believe that all this happened in one day. I hardly think if it were true that naming of all the animals on the planet would have been a one day event.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.-2Pet3.8



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by taccj9903
Thanks for the comment, I've never heard that theory before. I based my questions on the idea that Adam and Eve were just like you and me except without sin. I am just trying to imagine what life would be like today if sin never entered into the picture.


There are some other crazy wild theories about this whole creation thing.

Greek mythology is filled with supernatural beings, giants, unicorns, flying horses, people half human, with wings or fish scales.
The idea being that these supernatural beings that visited the physical Earth could take on any form they wished or imagined.

So Earth was a sort of playground for the higher spiritual realm that knew nothing about living with a physical body in a physical world.
They had no idea what sort of body to adopt, hence the variations.

It is all pretty wild off the wall stuff, but the story of Adam and Eve sort of fits into this picture in a way, by them being pure embodied spirits that knew nothing of physical pain or pleasure.

They just wanted to experiment, but broke a fundamental law in doing so.
Once they had experienced earthly physical pleasure they could somehow not go back.

Not that I am suggesting any of this is even remotely true, just passing on some very strange Ideas I have read about somewhere long ago.

[edit on 27/6/2010 by Silver Shadow]



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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I have heard that argument before from people who try to debunk the 7 day creation period. Wonder what Adam did for all those years he was alone in the garden?



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