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Communist Goals of 1963

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posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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These are the current socialist/communist powers that are in control right now!

Members of the Progressive Caucus
Rep Earl Hilliard (AL-O7) - Democrat
Rep Eni Faleomavaega (AS-AL) - Democrat
Rep Ed Pastor (AZ-O2) - Democrat
Rep Lynn C Woolsey (CA-O6) - Democrat
Rep George Miller (CA-O7) - Democrat
Rep Nancy Pelosi (CA-O8) - Democrat
Rep Fortney "Pete" Stark (CA-13) - Democrat
Rep Henry A. Waxman (CA-29) - Democrat
Rep Xavier Becerra (CA-3O) - Democrat
Rep Julian Co Dixon (CA-32) - Democrat
Rep Esteban Edward Torres (CA-34) - Democrat
Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35) - Democrat
Rep George E. Brown (CA-42) - Democrat
Rep Bob Filner (CA-5O) - Democrat
Rep Diane DeGette (CO-0l) - Democrat
Rep Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC-AL) - Democrat
Rep Corrine Brown (FL-O3) - Democrat
Rep Carrie P o Meek (FL-17) - Democrat
Rep Alcee Lo Hastings (FL-23) - Democrat
Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-O4) - Democrat
Rep John Lewis (GA-O5) - Democrat
Rep Neil Abercrombie (HI-0l) - Democrat
Rep Patsy Mink (HI-O2) - Democrat
Rep Jesse Jackson (IL-O2) - Democrat
Rep Luis Gutierrez (IL-O4 ) - Democrat
Rep Danny Davis (IL-O7) - Democrat
Rep Lane Evans (IL-17) - Democrat
Rep Julia Carson (IN-IO) - Democrat
Rep John Olver (MA-0l) - Democrat
Rep Jim McGovern (MA-O3) - Democrat
Rep Barney Frank (MA-04) - Democrat
Rep John Tierney (MA-06) - Democrat
Rep David Bonior (MI-lO) - Democrat
Rep Lynn N. Rivers (MI-13) - Democrat
Rep John Conyers (MI-14) - Democrat
Rep Bennie G. Thompson (MS-02) - Democrat
Rep Melvin L. Watt (NC-12) - Democrat
Rep Donald Payne (NJ-10) - Democrat
Rep Jerrold Nadler (NY -08) - Democrat
Rep Major Owens (NY-11) - Democrat
Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12) - Democrat
Rep Charles Rangel (NY -15) - Democrat
Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY -26) - Democrat
Rep John LaFalce (NY -29) - Democrat
Rep Marcy Kaptur (OH-09) - Democrat
Rep Dennis Kucinich (OH-IO) - Democrat
Rep Louis Stokes (OH-11) - Democrat
Rep Sherrod Brown (OH-13) - Democrat
Rep Elizabeth Furse (OR-01) - Democrat
Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04) - Democrat
Rep Chaka Fattah (PA-02) - Democrat
Rep William Coyne (PA-14) - Democrat
Rep Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo (PR-AL) - Democrat
Rep Robert C. Scott (V A-03) - Democrat
Rep Bernard Sanders (VT -AL) - Democrat
Rep James A. McDermott (W A-07) - Democrat




posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 10:36 PM
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Progressive Coalition supporting socialist agenda



Americans for Democratic Action
Campaign for America's Future
Campaign for New Priorities
Center for the Advancement of Public Policy
Center of Concern
Coalition on Human Needs
Demilitarization for Democracy
Development GAP
50 Years is Enough Network
Friends of the Earth
Fund for New Priorities in America
Institute for Policy Studies
Institute for Women's Policy Research
International Labor Rights Fund
National Jobs for All Coalition
National Organization for Women
National Priorities Project
NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby
Peace Action
Preamble Center for Public Policy
Public Citizen, email: Public Citizen
Stakeholders Alliance
United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America
United for a Fair Economy
Washington Chapter Alliance for Democracy
Working Assets
Women, Law and Development
National Council of La Raza
The Campaign for Health Security
Leadership Conference on Civil Rights
Friends Committee on National Legislation
Center for Defense Information
Council for a Livable World
Citizens for Tax Justice
U.S. Campaign to Ban Landmines
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Americans for a Sustainable Economy
National Education Association
USA Network for Habitat II
Catholic Charities
National Council of Negro Women
Center for Law and Social Policy
Witness for Peace
Children's Defense Fund
Child Welfare League
National Black Child Development Institute
Urban League
Economic Policy Institute
Brookings Institute
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
National Committee to Preserve Social Security and
Medicare
Defenders of Wildlife
Veterans for Peace
National Rainbow Coalition
AFL-CIO
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
UNITE
Unitarian Universalist Service Committee
National Association of Public Hospitals
National Council of Senior Citizens
Long-Term Care Campaign
Consumer's Union
Center for Responsive Politics
Latin American Working Group
Public Campaign

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posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 10:40 PM
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Again, I'll repeat something I've said in another thread.

There is no pragmatic difference between Socialism, Facism, Corporatism or Communism.

Sure, in theory and history they are all different, but in structure and in action they all do the same thing.

Which is why I question the validity of blaming everything on Communism.

Point 37, taking over Big Business? If one follows the money and the logic which follows, Big Business seems to have taken over government rather than government taking over Big Business.

Which is why the "Communism world take over" conspiracy is bogus, simply because it isn't Communism that is taking over the world. It's a misdirection.

Is the plan certainly embedded within certain Communistic strains of thought? Yes, but again many of these ideologies we want to think have no relation or even violently oppose one another (in the case of Communism and Fascism) have far more in common than they have differences.

It's the integration of the government with the economy. People don't need government. But the economy? That's how they live.

All 4 ideologies in practice(really more like 3 but whatever) all have an integrated government-economy. The economy is the government and the government is the economy. Everything is the state. Including people.


Let us remind ourselves of one thing children. Because apparently Marxism is evil and satanic although you would never bother to actually read Marx to say so.

The final goal of Communism, as set up by Marx, is a state-less society.

Whereas we see it here and as it is done in practice, as a totalitarian state conglomerate.

Is it as they say? "Communism is like a three-way; it only works on paper."

Or is it as some people theorize that any "official" form of communism has never represented communism as presented by Marx, and that actual communism has ever been practiced.

Which then begs the question; can anything called communism be called communism in actuality?

Now I'm not a commie and I'm not defending communism of any name and form, but I'm trying to actually use sense in this.

Because what they do does have the look and smell of communism...but not by Marx. The ultimate goal of communism is to bring about a stateless society. Yet what is being done only sets up a state that can endlessly perpetuate itself with or without the will of the people. Which is not what Marx wanted.

Furthermore, such a desire benefits any ideology with a large state. Which begs another question; in practicality, do communism, fascism and corporatism deserve any deliberate individual recognition when they all achieve the same things through slightly different methods?





Basically, all that rambling asks whether you can actually say this is a COMMUNIST conspiracy and not just a conspiracy being perpetuated by those who want the world to be controlled under one large government. Corporatism wants this. Fascism wants this. Communism wants this. Pretty much anything beneficial to one ideology is beneficial to the other two. Are they any different?



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by Astrithr

I don't think this really proves anything... these "Communist goals" were written by Cleon Skousen, a conservative from America, not the communists themselves.
This guy spoke out against communism practically his whole life. He's hardly an inside, or unbiased, source...


Try this one.....www.communistgoals.com...

[edit on 6/26/2010 by NoSoup4U]



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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I remember a story/threat told by the nuns back in the darkages of the cold war. i don't remember much but the commies take over and if the good little children didn't repudiate jesus christ, they would be told "NO soup for you." They also made us hide under our desks.



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 11:10 PM
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"Basically, all that rambling asks whether you can actually say this is a COMMUNIST conspiracy and not just a conspiracy being perpetuated by those who want the world to be controlled under one large government. Corporatism wants this. Fascism wants this. Communism wants this. Pretty much anything beneficial to one ideology is beneficial to the other two. Are they any different?"

Well reasoned. Here is my take.

I don't think I contradict my earlier posts in this thread by primarily agreeing with you. There is, to my mind as well, little difference between the systems you named. And for the people under such a system, there is almost no practical difference at all.

But here I think it is mostly a game of semantics and the goal is exactly the same, namely, the eradication of any American culture and an eventual replacement with one of 'their' choosing.

The real question being, obviously, as to who exactly 'they' are. And the main conflict with such a system we, the US, have had did wear the label of 'communist'. Regardless of being very(in a practical sense) similar systems, we only were in a cold war with that one particular group.

So technically, I would say we are probably on the brink of cultural defeat due to what was originally a 'classic communist' long term plan. It is certainly possible what was originally a soviet long term subversive plan was co-opted at some point by others.

Or, interestingly were the Communist THEMSELVES the victims of someone else's long term subversive plan all along?Pawns in fact?

It seems for every answer we think we reach, two more questions arise.





[edit on 6/26/2010 by Clark Savage Jr.]



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 03:35 AM
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First off... the Cold War ended. The Soviet Union collapsed, so any 'long-term plans' are negligible.

Second... communists didn't write this list, conservatives did. Conservatives with their own long term agenda.


1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.


What is wrong with the concept of coexistence? Why not coexist? Why should perpetual war be the answer?


2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.


Atomic war should be avoided at all costs, and I'm going to call 'citation needed' on the surrendering bit. America's armament industry is too widespread and powerful to allow such a thing.


3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


Yes, because stockpiles upon stockpiles upon stockpiles of nuclear weaponry is a logical answer. We'll turn the whole friggin' planet to dust before letting some red brainwash our freedoms away!


4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.


Hey, do you guys believe in free markets or not?


7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.


Hardly a Communist country anymore. For the economically illiterate, it's state capitalism.


12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.


Oh yes, banning people from believing something they chose to believe in is always a freedom-loving thing to do.


17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


Please, go to business school for one semester and then come back tell me that it is pro-communism.


23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."


Really? Should we establish a House Committee for Deciding What Is Art and What Is Not Art?


24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


Again, there is that taking away from freedoms thing again.


26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."





28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."


How does it not violate the separation of church and state?


34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.


Ugh, this list makes me sick.


44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.


The Panama Canal is in a damn foreign country! IT IS INTERNATIONAL!

This list is absolutely ridiculous. All it does is complain about exploring alternatives to war and find ways to strip people of their rights and freedoms in the name preserving them.

[edit on 27-6-2010 by Someone336]



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Or, interestingly were the Communist THEMSELVES the victims of someone else's long term subversive plan all along?Pawns in fact?


This is my belief.

Really, think about it. Think about the basics of Communism presented by Marx and then think of the typical public perception of Communism.

What is missing from the typical public perception?

The end result. A stateless society. Anarchy.

Communism was both a useful tool and a threat because of it's layout. It builds up an enormous state which basically reeducates societies ways over a few generations before collapsing.

I think between WWI and WWII, Communism was taken over. I think Lenin may even have been one of those who truly followed Communism but failed to pass off to the correct successor. The downfall started with Stalin.

And if you think about it, this makes sense. One of the "goals" is to create a "new religion". Communism, Fascism and Corporatism can all fulfill this goal as well as stomp out every other religion.

Regardless I just can't buy this idea that Communism is and has always been "evil". It feels like a complete set up to me to misdirect people into blaming communism when the problem isn't communism at all.



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