Top Expert comes forth: 9/11 Bldg 7 downed with explosives, page 3
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reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 11:10 AM by Thermo Klein
Originally posted by roboe
Oh dear, oh dear.

Can anyone point out the obvious error with mr. Sullivans ID?


If the ID is not faked, then mr. Sullivan himself must clearly have been part of any potential controlled demolitions on 9/11, right?



No, CDI was sub-contracted as part of the clean-up. It's in the main article from the OP.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 11:10 AM by roboe
reply to post by Thermo Klein


I think we're talking past each other. Mr. Sullivan was employed by Controlled Demolition, Inc. which has been run by the Loizeaux family since 1947.

CDI Corporation has nothing to do with controlled demolitions, let alone the Loizeaux family.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 11:18 AM by stirling
Other than the fact that absolutely no steel framed buildings of this type have ever come down due to fire before or since, there is ample evidence that building 7 was a CD.
If it really did collapse due to fire, it would have to have burned for much longer at hotter temps to even be in danger of comming down..
Then it would have fallen asymetrically and there very likely have been parts left standing.
Witnesses testify the building came apart from the bottom up.....
that the lower floors collapsed first and the building came down from the bottom up.
Where are the very large chunks of concrete that would not have broken up into powder dust!
it had to be imploded to produce such a large quatity of convrete dust.
The same goes for the towers....
Considering the other false flags of history.....
pearl harbour, the USS Maddox(gulf of tonkin) the battleship Maine, and other incidents which have preceded military actions by the US, it is entirely possible that the whole thing was a setup!
Remember
The "Official" version is also a CONSPIRACY THEORY!
The goverment has far from proved its case.....Too many unanswered questions remain to make any definitive declaration.
meanwhile the goverment owes the people of afghanistan as well as iraq
and its own US citizens a more comprehensive and reality based investigation conducted by independant investigators......!!!!!
Lies lies lies eat up little children theyre good for you.............
I see absolutely NO SIGNS that the GOVERMNT CONSPIRACY THEORY
could negate the Conspiracy theory of the Truth Movement.
And it is patently obvious that the claims such as cell phones being able to make that many cell connects from an airliner at altitude are plain BS!
Somthing STINKS to high heaven!


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 12:00 PM by Thermo Klein
reply to post by stirling



I feel the same way about how the Towers fell - that's why I'm always thankful when experts come forward, like the 1200+ engineering,architectural, and demolition experts from AE911truth.org. I can talk all day but a quote from these guys is more valuable than my opinion any day.

America is the sword of globalization; I hope that before this is all done we end up with some global JUSTICE rather than a bunch of hedonistic, narcissistic "leaders" controlling everything.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 12:59 PM by pteridine
reply to post by Doctor Smith



Actually, it is up for debate. That is what we are doing here.

As you are an expert and can tell the difference between collapse due to structural failure from fire and a CD, please explain what the collapse would have looked like had the NIST report been correct and how it would have differed from a CD.

So far, no self-described expert has been able to do this and it would seem that this would be important to the concept of CD, given the lack of any physical evidence.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 01:48 PM by NorEaster
Originally posted by pteridine
reply to
post by Doctor Smith



Actually, it is up for debate. That is what we are doing here.

As you are an expert and can tell the difference between collapse due to structural failure from fire and a CD, please explain what the collapse would have looked like had the NIST report been correct and how it would have differed from a CD.

So far, no self-described expert has been able to do this and it would seem that this would be important to the concept of CD, given the lack of any physical evidence.


Due to the height and shape of each of the tower buildings, if these had been "natural collapses" then there would have been a certain (and non-uniform) amount of toppling from one tall, proportionally slender, building structure to the next. Over 90% of each tower was untouched, and yet "global failure" supposedly occurred. This is the smoking gun, even if it is the most obvious piece of evidence.

A percentage of intact topple would have occurred. This is how natural collapses of relatively tall buildings look.



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reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 03:14 PM by Equinox99
I am against the OS on the matter of 9/11. With that said, I think this is hard to believe for some. But just put all the evidence together and tell me something fishy didn't go on.

I am not saying that the government could have anything to do with it but I mean look at past history.

1) Donald Rumsfeld has been known to cite violence against other nations.
IE. The cold war with Russia. He was hyping up how much weapons development the Russians were working on so the US could spend more on weapons.

2) George H. W. Bush gave the NWO speech on September 11, 1991 - 10 years later, George Bush was in office when 9/11 happened.

3) Project Able Danger should have been followed up by congress. The fact that all the evidence was deleted should have gave you guys in indication. The bigger kick in the pants was how the individuals were told NOT to testify in front of congress.

4) Oil companies needed pipelines in Afghanistan to travel through the north where the taliban reside. When the representative said this:

When the Bush administration came to power, however, it decided to give the Taliban one last chance. This last chance occurred at a four-day meeting in Berlin in July 2001... According to the Pakistani representative at this meeting, Niaz Naik, US representatives, trying to convince the Taliban to share power with US-friendly factions, said: "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs." Naik said that he was told by Americans that "military action against Afghanistan would go ahead...before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest." The US attack on Afghanistan began, in fact, on October 7, which was as soon as the US military could get ready after 9/11.

5) Two wars were pushed from 9/11. Both were unjustified.

6) Much money made by Halliburton and other private contractors.

I am not saying that the government had anything to do with it, but there was someone on the inside. Inside which organization? We may never know.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 03:22 PM by Doctor Smith
reply to post by pteridine





My open question to the truthers is "If the collapse had happened according to NIST, what would it have looked like?" "How would you tell the difference between a NIST collapse and CD?"



NIST created a computer generated program that fails to even come close to how building 7 collapsed. Even if a miracle happened and and it was possible that one magical beam could fail causing a partial collapse. Looked like a Beer Can being partially crushed. Nothing like what happened.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 03:29 PM by Six Sigma
Originally posted by roboe
Oh dear, oh dear.

Can anyone point out the obvious error with mr. Sullivans ID?


If the ID is not faked, then mr. Sullivan himself must clearly have been part of any potential controlled demolitions on 9/11, right?



The address is in Stevonsville, MD. That is spelled wrong. Typo? Probably.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 03:40 PM by Doctor Smith
reply to post by pteridine





Actually, it is up for debate. That is what we are doing here. As you are an expert and can tell the difference between collapse due to structural failure from fire and a CD, please explain what the collapse would have looked like had the NIST report been correct and how it would have differed from a CD. So far, no self-described expert has been able to do this and it would seem that this would be important to the concept of CD, given the lack of any physical evidence.


At about 41 minutes in this video they start to get into the building 7 issue. They show the NIST computer animation. The NIST computer animation fails to look anything like what actually happened. It doesn't even collapse all the way.

www.ustream.tv...

Now why don't you show everyone an example of a steel frame building coming down like building 7, That isn't a controlled demolition?

So far, no self-described expert has been able to do this.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 04:01 PM by pteridine
reply to post by Doctor Smith



A failure low in the building from thermal expansion would be indistinguishable from a failure low in the building due to a quiet demolition. If no weeks of preparation, precuts, cabling, and charge placement occurred, could a few well placed charges have dropped the building in its footprint?


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 04:23 PM by roboe
Originally posted by Six Sigma
Originally posted by roboe
Oh dear, oh dear.

Can anyone point out the obvious error with mr. Sullivans ID?


If the ID is not faked, then mr. Sullivan himself must clearly have been part of any potential controlled demolitions on 9/11, right?



The address is in Stevonsville, MD. That is spelled wrong. Typo? Probably.


Look at the date of the ID being issued by the FDNY.


reply posted on 27-6-2010 @ 06:00 PM by Thermo Klein
Originally posted by pteridine
reply to
post by Doctor Smith



A failure low in the building from thermal expansion would be indistinguishable from a failure low in the building due to a quiet demolition. If no weeks of preparation, precuts, cabling, and charge placement occurred, could a few well placed charges have dropped the building in its footprint?


Most of us on ATS are NOT demolition experts, hence the reason for the thread - an EXPERT testimony.
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