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Should Elementary Schools Give Condoms to Students?

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posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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Thanks to a new, district-wide policy approved by the Provincetown School Board, condoms are now available to students in all schools, regardless of their age. Parents will not be informed if their kids request condoms.


Debate over the decision focused not on whether condoms should be available, but whether the policy was too restrictive for students, particularly those in high school. According to the Provincetown Banner, some committee members were worried that students will be forced to speak to a nurse, instead of having access in a more discreet way.

Not everyone is thrilled by the idea of condoms for elementary kids. Some Provincetown parents have expressed skepticism, and Kris Mineau, president of the conservative Massachusetts Family Institute, says the entire concept is absurd.

I wish I can take this policy seriously, but I can't. If this is about high school students, then leave the elementary school students be. I just don't see the relevancy. They "backtracked" after the controversy of course.




posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 06:24 AM
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This is beyond stupid if you ask me...sex ed didn't even come for me til middle school...some people not til high school.

If your kid is like...12 and having sex then that is a worthless parent who cant control their child and who hasn't taught them well enough and certainly hasn't taught the child responsibility.

Parents are becoming more and more "hands off" and not actually parenting...they dont enforce anything, they give the child anything it wants, and they let it do whatever it wants...parents are freaking spineless nowadays. Worst part is that they blame illnesses like ADHD (I believe it exists but is WAY over diagnosed) when they cant control the kid or whatever...

I am only 20 and I don't have children and I feel like most parents these days are worthless as parents....harsh? maybe...truth...yes...

not to mention I think condoms in schools is a bad idea period...I guess its a way to deflect responsibility when kids become pregnant..."we gave em condoms! its not our fault!" -.-

Not to mention by giving em condoms they are pushing the 100 curious kids to do what the 5 "cool" kids are already doing...believe it or not pregnancy is a deterrent for a large portion of people...and the second they get their hands on a method of birth control it all goes out the window....sad way to live really...sad thing to allow

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[edit on 26-6-2010 by Dennislp3]



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 06:29 AM
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Well first off I am the one talking to my kids about sex, and scondly what the H$#@ is an elementary kid going to do with a condom, use it as a water balloon. I dont see the need to even worry about this in elementary. My school district did a health course at 5th grade for my son last year. Thats a little better considering some kids might be starting puberty by then, but handing out condom....no dont agree with it.



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by Dennislp3
If your kid is like...12 and having sex then that is a worthless parent who cant control their child and who hasn't taught them well enough and certainly hasn't taught the child responsibility.


Ahem...you do know that Sex is a natural thing and there must be a reason why it is fun and we enjoy (and basically need) it?
You do know that there is such a thing as puberty, that naturally kicks in and changes "innocent kids" into adults?
You do know that just because we live longer than maybe humans 1000 years ago, the natural system inside humans haven't change? Ever heard of those times? When 14 year old kids became the ruler's of a country? When 12-13 year old kids got married and had children?

Once puberty kicks in, kids are ready to have sex, it's natural and it has always been that way. That's just a fact.

As long as the kids use condoms, are educated about Sex and Pregnancy, i don't see anything wrong with it. Why shouldn't they be allowed to have Sex? Why? And please nobody says now "They're young and stupid", because that's just so wrong on so many levels.

The problems we have with kids who get pregnant at early ages, comes from the fact, that so many people seem to have a problem with Sex. They're "ashamed" to talk about and so they let the kids run wild, puberty kicks in, they watch pornographic movies where nobody ever talks about condoms and we all know how it ends.

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posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 06:59 AM
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My vote is yes. This might shock some ATS members on here. But sex is not the only problem is grade schools now. I know kids who parents allow them to drink and smoke with them. That's California for you.



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by Dennislp3
Parents are becoming more and more "hands off" and not actually parenting...they dont enforce anything, they give the child anything it wants, and they let it do whatever it wants...parents are freaking spineless nowadays. Worst part is that they blame illnesses like ADHD (I believe it exists but is WAY over diagnosed) when they cant control the kid or whatever...

I get what you're saying, I've seen it myself. Don't they care about their children or they're just misguided?

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They're not precisely handing out condomns to every student, but if a students ask for it, the parents won't be notified. Even if they mean well, why should a school give a condomn to an elementary student in the first place?

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posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:02 AM
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My questions are...

1) Exactly when did schools become dispensaries?
2) Why is a school district even considering a question such as this?
3) How is the provision of condoms (or birth control pills, or diaphragms, whatever) in any way an education system function?
4) Why in the world would they consider...and by what legal authority do they have the right...to decide not to advise parents that they are providing this kind of sexual enabler to children attending their school?
5) What's next, providing free hypodermic needles to second graders just in case they are thinking about trying heroin?



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
My vote is yes. This might shock some ATS members on here. But sex is not the only problem is grade schools now. I know kids who parents allow them to drink and smoke with them. That's California for you.


You can see that everywhere. Just visit a school before it starts and you'll see a lot of younger kids smoking and drinking and yes, that's a bigger problem.

In my oppinion the easiest way to prevent that is not to forbid it. Parent's forbid everything and tell their kids "do it and you get into problems". Now, what does a kid think? "It's forbidden, so it must be cool" "I want to be a rebel". That's the biggest problem, everything that is forbidden, is interesting for kids and they'll do and try it just to piss of the parents - doesn't mean they really enjoy it or anything.

My parents never forbid me anything and so my parents asked me if i want to smoke, i was 11 at the time, said yes, took a try, nearly puked and while my parents started laughing i knew that i would never smoke again - i never did and i never will start smoking.
In my oppinion by challenging and showing kids the bad things, they'll just see that it is not any good and so won't start to drink or smoke or do anything. It's in my oppinion a better way than to say "you're not allowed to do that" and then punish the kids if they do.



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by mobiusmale
5) What's next, providing free hypodermic needles to second graders just in case they are thinking about trying heroin?


Comparing Sex with drugs is a bit stupid, don't you think?

I ask once again: What, for you people, is so bad about Sex?



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:22 AM
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WHAT ! You must be joking, right ?

The world is going mental, and... and... Someone needs to bring back common sense.
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To answer the question : Is sex really that bad.

No. Sex is fun, sex is good and sex is great. But only between to consenting adults.

The down side is that sex can also give you diseases and pregnancy.
Sex can also damage you and it can be forced on to you.

Kids shoulld and must not have to deal with these kind of problems. Period.



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Elementary school kids? Why are many thinking perverts here? First impression. What sort of mind dreams up and then puts this into effect.

What if you found some other adult giving your 2nd grader a condom?



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by ShadowAngel85
Comparing Sex with drugs is a bit stupid, don't you think?

I ask once again: What, for you people, is so bad about Sex?


Thanks ShadowAngel, for your snap assessment of my intelligence...

If you followed the gist of my earlier post, it had to do with why was a School District involving itself in a medical/moral/social question to the point of taking some kind of "secret" action to enable 8 year olds to try their hand at sex in a safer fashion?

So, the drug reference was about what will a School District next decide they ought to do...regarding something that has nothing to do with their core mandate.

And sex is Jim dandy for people who are mature enough to handle the complex physical, emotional and social consequences of engaging in this level of intimacy. I am one who believes that sex is the ultimate form of physical expression that is to be shared between caring and consenting adults.

I don't think it should be taken lightly, or as a casual thing, for probably at least a half-dozen reasons. Others will disagree with the above, of course, but I think that the vast majority would not agree with small children becoming sexually active.

And anyway...the point is, why is a School District taking it upon themselves to enable small children to have safer sex?

Plus...how does an expenditure like this get budgeted by a School District, and what other real education related activities have to get shelved in order to pay for this free condom distribution...books, activities, salaries?



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 07:42 AM
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Schools can't afford things like paper, pencils, good teachers, and just being open.
Yet they can afford condoms to just give away?

That just seems wrong to me.



posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 08:09 AM
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This has already been discussed on ATS in another thread. I only mention this because you might be interested in some of the comments and information there to use in your discussion. You can find this thread here.

Personally, I find the entire debate appalling. People aren't bothering to find all the facts and reasons behind this. They aren't using logic to think it through.

Instead they're making some ridiculous assumptions, mostly based on their own set of narrow moral "values," and then going on emotionally
to make a big mountain out of a molehill.

A mountain out of a lot of noise, emotion, and commotion that has very little to do with them personally and even less to do with facts, logic, or reason.

It's a far more fascinating study in psychology than an actual social or any other kind of issue. What are they really afraid of here? How does it really concern them? And do they even realize how ignorant this makes them seem?

It's interesting to me how the story was initially reported by in my opinion very irresponsible journalists or bloggers with a focus on only the elementary school. When the facts were that the school board simply didn't make a distinction within K-12. Sensationalistic. Intellectually dishonest.

Taking away a policy intended to benefit all put in place for some very good reasons based on a few emotional or fearful peoples' personal values or objections? No need.

The calm and easy solution here? Just change the policy to say that any parent with whatever kind of objection (we don't care) should sign a slip saying they don't want their child to be given a condom. And if said child spreads disease or gets pregnant that consequence and responsibility is all theirs. Their decision for their child. End of discussion.

Too bad this kind or social blackmail is becoming so commonplace these days because it's really distracting and a total waste of time and energy that can be far better spent elsewhere...on the really serious social and political issues we all face.



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posted on Jun, 26 2010 @ 08:48 AM
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My bad, my search came empty.

I still don't get the condomn part though, and I still don't get that why they don't make the distinction between elementary and high school in the first place, why the entire k-12 group.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
This has already been discussed on ATS in another thread. I only mention this because you might be interested in some of the comments and information there to use in your discussion. You can find this thread here.

Personally, I find the entire debate appalling. People aren't bothering to find all the facts and reasons behind this. They aren't using logic to think it through.

Instead they're making some ridiculous assumptions, mostly based on their own set of narrow moral "values," and then going on emotionally
to make a big mountain out of a molehill.


The public school system on this issue are a narrow set of moral moles trying to become a mountain.....of bs.



posted on Jun, 27 2010 @ 11:48 PM
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Could you imagine Jerry Springer "counselling" a 3 year old? 3 year old male slept with his 4 year old sister! But Hey! It's ONLY in America where thease strange stories do happen.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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From a nurses prospective...Its a good idea...First off your children's sex life is their business...Not yours...yes, we would all like them to wait until they meet the right person, but did you?...I know we are talking about young children ,but I think if they know its there for them when they need it they may use them...Yes, at first they will use a condom for a water balloon.Or to show their friends and laugh.Maybe just to carry around it in their pocket to feel cool.This will make it so that when the time comes,they won't be assumed and they will use it...Sex is natural...They are going to do it weather you know about it or not...Please, don't be so close minded people...



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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Your points are all well and good but where does the school get off? If its none of the parents bizz it is certainly none of the schools. Your idea that its ok for the school to play some sort of role in this issue taken with your contemptuous tone toward parents and thier hypocrisy is simply all the more reason the schools should butt out.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
My vote is yes. This might shock some ATS members on here. But sex is not the only problem is grade schools now. I know kids who parents allow them to drink and smoke with them. That's California for you.


Well, I will agree to a point. I use to work in an inner-city middle school. Approximately 30% of students entering 6th grade were 1 to 3 years behind grade level. Having a 15 year old 6th grader was not uncommon. Many elementary schools have students entering 5th grade when they should be entering high school or at the least, 8th grade. We had 2 pregnant 7th graders at one time. One was almost 17 years old. Very sad indeed.



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