I am not sure what the first part of your post has to do with the rest, but in more pointed terms, the position of Saturn in its rotation around the
sun, combined with the approach of the exploratory vehicle would determine what stars you should see in the background. You would have to find this
information in order to determine what stars should be in the background of this photo.
You claim you have obtained this information and using the Celestia programmed determined that the picture being used is a fake?
If you have this evidence, then please provide it for everyone to see.
If you can provide the proof, then I can only speculate as to why the author, who seems to be a respected scientist or engineer would fake these
okay Gorman91 you got me I was making a preposterous remark
to illustrate that if there are big things traveling around the universe then they obviously have conquered the limitations you pointed out
If , supposing they exist , I guess we'll find out when they get here
these may not be the droids we're looking for ,but I'm not discounting that we may at some point find a probe not from our world,like I said we send
them and to me that means someone else can do the same
No, I am reading what you are putting out, it seems you aren't paying attention to what I am saying, or what you are posting.
Here is the straight up problems with your claim, this guy looked at these photos while he was at NASA. He should know where things were put
together. If he is not faking it, which you don't believe, then he must be very incompetent, or you aren't paying attention to what is being put
According to the U-tube video, he looked at these pictures under a microscope. Excuse me if I take his analysis over yours.
In addition, a simulator will only show you what it has been programmed to show you, it does not represent anything but a computerized map.
Here is a link to an analysis of the photos, another debunk that comes to a different reason not to believe that we are looking at something real.
The pictures here are larger. There is only one point of light, which could be a moon, so there is nothing to identify some level of croping,
merging, or splicing of photos that you claim to be amiss.
it looks like a dead world with lots of water to me.
But it is likely they have detected our signals if they sent a probe here. Our signals don't go more than a light year before degrading beyond
audibility. So the probe here would need to hear it. Of course. That again depends if you can hear clearly
I personally favor the SGU model of this, A probe that can be occupied and has a set course to go out for millions of years. It has stops and goes and
an enhanced AI to know what to do for anything.
It seems it was not exposed as long,and still cropped. That's perfectly understandable. As I showed you, virtually every imaging from another planet
has different vibrancy due to exposure rates. Only difference there is that you are looking down rather than at a whole planet.
here we see a bad version of this exposure problem. Take a look. Same position, same probe, same shot period of being there. Notice the gigantic
square shaped crops and exposure differences? Hell. To the left, you see a similar affect as the ring on the planet. It's darker and blue.
Also, a simulator will show you what you program it to. But if its programmed to show you reality, ti will show you reality.
Thanks to calculus, you only need to see an orbit for about a year or two and you can know the rest.
Also, forgive my statement, but no, I do not think NASA is competent.
This is a crop
The link you gave me says the same at the end. Cropped together.
The simple fact is that. The line is exactly linear from right to left. Not only would that be unstable gravitationally, it would also be quite dumb
to assume that because one single photo shows a cut off badly, then all thousands of other photos are wrong.
There is no evidence from home observation. As I've shown you, home observation is quite good.
We know this image is cropped.
We know where the orbits of the moons are, which correlates to these so- called ufos.
We know, therefore, that there is nothing supporting this claim.
I agree, the quality of the pictures is not very good, but lets face it, technology has came a long ways since then. I don't disagree that it is
cropped, just that what is being reported may very well be what the scientist reported.
We might know the positions of the planets in our solar system, and many local stars, but there is far more out there that we do not know about, and
so we are incapable of programing a simulation that will show reality.
Actually Calculus is freaking amazing. You'd only need the local star movements and the rate of rotation around the galactic core to get a relatively
accurate reading. From velocity and gravity you can get pretty damn accurate. But a few decades is not enough to have noticeable change in stars, so
it does not matter.
Besides that, go back to the original point. Why on Earth is Saturn important? I already explained why their rings are different from other gas
giants. So there's really no NEED for aliens. And if there's no need, why worry or bother?
Um, Saturn's rotation is about the same as Jupiter's, and both rotate much more quickly than Uranus, so you explanation of why Saturn has so much
more significant sized rings due to rotation speed doesn't work. Saturn also has more moons, even though Jupiter is more dense has had a far greater
I think it is conceivable that those rings support a plasma eco system.
You are picking in choosing. Speed of rotation is not the only factor.
Not to mention you are wrong.
Jupiter's day is nearly twice the length of a Saturn day.
10 hrs : 17 hrs
And Saturn goes 3x slower than Jupiter.
Saturns Gravity is nearly that of Earth's Jupiter's is nearly that 2x that of Earth's.
Saturn's density is 0.687 gm/cm^3
Jupiter's is 1.326 gm/cm^3
This makes it quite clear. Saturn is a slow moving, fast spinning, low density puff cloud. Thus matter moves faster, and is more attracted to Saturn,
as greater velocity removes exo-planetary gravitational affects. This explains Titan, the planet sized moon, and Saturn's rings. Saturn collects more
as it moves slower. Saturn is basically a big Earth. It's gravity is indifferent to Earth. So something appearing the mass of Earth, while being many
times larger, is easier to build rings on. It explains the high velocity clouds. Their vectors are less affected by downward forces, thus enabling
them to move more.
As to Jupiter, it is a fast moving heavy item. It can't collect as much because it slingshots it out. What it does collect it keeps close, thus its
moons are more larger and closer. Jupiter's rings are more rocky because most of the ice has been absorbed or flown out into space. It's clouds are
more swirly due to the slower day.
So you see, it's perfectly scientifically explainable.
In addition, Uranus has a day equal to Jupiter, and orbits slower than both. It has the lowest gravity of the two, at 89% Earth's. It has a density
of 1.27 gm/cm^3.
This makes for a light, small, slow dense planet. it explains it's mini-me appearance to Saturn.
Yea I know. Destiny is a big moma ship. But relative to what we are talking about in the picture, it is small. Destiny is maybe the size of an
aircraft carrier or two in front to back. So it is big, but still a cosmic spec on the scale we are talking about.
I am not against a probe chilling by, taking pictures, and then beating it. I'm against the argument that Saturn's rings were constructed or
something. That they are here doing things. Not likely. I mean maybe mining. But even so, I doubt they would mine in a solar system with intelligent
beings. Too many conflicts of interest. There's plenty of solar systems out there. And plenty of gas giants. And plenty of bigger gas giants with
We are pretty bland in comparison.
In the end, there is some evidence to a probe having come by in the past. And there is no reason why they would not explore.
Unmanned observational vehicles are evidence of a type 1 civilization. observing possible future sites and interests. If they were at Saturn, then
they are interested in resources. Making them no more than 50 years ahead of us.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Now...for the "RingMaker" believers....WHY did "they" choose Saturn?
Jupiter is certainly much more impressive, and it's also closer to Earth, so would be even more spectacular (assuming they're doing all of this to
'show off' for we earthlings...)
Perhaps because they didn't want the asteroid belt to interfere in what they're doing??? That's if they ARE doing things around Saturn, which
most likely they're not! Because they ain't there to begin with!!
And by the way those 'space ships' shown straddling the rings in that French newspaper are CGI as mentioned by Burgrun himself!! So what's all the
Ok guys, here that famous photograph taken by Cassini which I noticed in mikesingh's thread linked in the opening post. This one seems to be splashed
all over the net with people insisting that it's proof of an ET space ship orbiting Saturn.
Here's the anim put together from successive images taken by Cassini....
So what the heck is it? An alien spacecraft? NO! It's most likely a moon of Saturn photographed at INTERVALS, meaning time lapse images with
greater than normal exposure for each photograph resulting in what looks like an elongated object moving across the sky!
Case closed where this particular image is concerned!!
There is a 7 hour difference in rotation. They are not the same.
Saturn has more moons, and larger ones.
Pour out a lot of flour across a large table. Then send balls of dough rolling through it. Over time, you will develop precise patterns and well
developed shapes. That is why Saturn has its precise rings.
oh really? interesting! about the culture advancement theories 50 years is not a lot
I don't know if this is a glitch or a misinterpretation or bad stitching or bad or alien tech?
I haven't bothered to say that I for sure don't by they make the rings of Saturn! Guess I was to busy trying to figure out what they are in instead
of what they're doing
I agree that if they are and if they are there then they're mining or collecting or harvesting something they need, I can envision them just going
about the universe on auto pilot adding to themselves until they are just huge .
seems like I remember a thread about some similar things being filmed by space station astronauts but I have no clue how to search it
Sending probes to mine means you are still not "in" space. You are still using robots. You are huddled up on your own planet. maybe you ran out of
resources, or maybe you are just afraid of space. The point is that they do not have a heavy infrastructure. They have a basic one. Main planet, maybe
a colony on another planet or moon, probably a base on every planet in their solar system. They are afraid to send people into the unknown, so they
send harvester and observational probes that go around, recording, and will eventually come back. This is evident of an isolationist society. A cosmic
Reason I say only 50 years ahead of us is because humans today are capable of being a type 1 civilization, but don't want to be. Gods knows why. This
is both good and bad. It means when we finally do go into space, we will be quite advanced. But it also means that we, too, will be a Cosmic Japan.
Thus it is interesting. We are exploratory by nature, but also afraid of the unknown. We may have quite some it in common with them.
Technologically speaking, we can make warp drives today. We just don't. If these are warp ships, they seem to be mass based warp ships, as light
based warps ships would be more smaller. Mass based need to be larger.
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