reply to post by talonreaping
Appreciate your response, but not this one, i would say we are NOT equal at all and i am not a hippocrit, i didn't ever force my believes on anyone,
i only challenged other peoples and demanded a logic path to that belief.:-
If you believe having the values of another forced upon you is wrong, it would be reasonable to expect that you would avoid doing the same in
When their beliefs often change someone's life, and often not for the better, even if they think it is, it closes the mind down, accepts "God's"
rules (and mindless theories like man was made out of "mud" or "blood clots") when they have clearly been written by man, as no one has yet proved
with objective evidence (i.e real truth) that god exists and wants you to live your life a certain way, Why would this only apply to man. what about
insects - And should the starving/sick people in 3rd world countries believe such a theory of a caring personified universal being?
I don't want to stop anyone believing in what they choose but i will certainly challenge them if i fail to see reasoning, rationalism behind that
I respect Deists and Agnostics point of view, they are not claiming to be more righetous, they do not know what God wants and they don't claim to
just because it says so in a book. They don't opress people, they don't try to dictate gods wishes or interests because it is unknowable, due to the
unfalsifiable nature of this said entity.
God is what man wants God to be, in Islam god doesn't want you to eat ham, in christianity he wants you to respect the sabbath and condemn
homosexuality, Mormans are allowed more than one wife. All i am asking is how these so could organised religions seem to know what God wants, even
though it was written by man. Did god speak to these scribes, "oh yeh, write down that i don't want people to love each other if its going to be
gay" Its not right, its clearly MAN-MADE, CONTROL posing as "FAITH" - If your faith is that god may exist, and you don't think he interferes in
human affairs, i.e. a Deist or an Agnostic then you are not trying to control people, you are not telling people what to believe, so why should anyone
have a problem with that?
Its a logical fallacy and the religious will play on that, like i said - if you want to believe in a story that restricts you in life and makes you
servile then go do that, just don't teach our children unfalsifiable theories, don't teach them to be servile, don't teach them slander
non-believers or condemn homosexuality because THEY think its an aboniation, not God, the people who wrote that specific scripture.
Teach them that respect is gained, not commanded, teach them that empathy and sympathy are great tools for human compassion and morality.
I ask for logic and truth, absolute truth, not man-made truth, not subjective truth, i want objective truth. Objective truths like the earth is round,
spherical like and not flat - That is fact and truth and will not suddenly be changed when we realise its wrong.
Christianity and Islam do little side steps when they realise their scriptures condoned genocide, killing off people without faith or a different
faith, stoned women, enslaved black people - And now they have to do a side step because they realise everyone thinks they're evil as the Devil they
Again, pick and choose your religion carefully but if God does exist, and he does have rules, expect damnation (hell) as a matter of chance, the
chance that you picked the wrong faith, the wrong religious with the wrong rules
Remember, i'm not claiming to know what God wants from us, just because it is written in a scripture.
God made man - why is there so many different religions, why has he created imperfect man, left people to die and rot with disease, causes these so
called earth earthquakes? Why would God let people create opposing religions if he was speaking to the Scribes who wrote the rules. IT MAKES NO
I simply will not stand to be called a sinner and a wrong-doer just because your bible says so and i don't think anyone else should, i believe myself
to be compassionate and moral.
It's easier, more logical to suggest that man has made God, i'm not saying there isn't an enimating force in the universe that destroys and creates
things, that holds magnetism/gravity in place, that heats and cools the planet, that holds the laws of physics as we understand it in place, the
"God" particle is often talked about in science - but it's irrational to personify god, and claim you know his wishes.
People can't believe that i would oppose their beliefs but when it involves children and the separation of the human species into opposing groups
then i think that is wrong, there's an evil at work wanting to split us apart. Again, have your thoughts and ideas about God, do not preach them onto
other people. I am not preaching anything here, so don't claim i am a hippocrit or i am doing the same, i'm asking for evidence, reason to believe,
and there is none.
Takes more courage to oppose a belief than to mindlessly spout a belief that doesn't make sense or fails completely in logic. Will i go to hell? Have
i been a bad person? In the eyes of Christian - yes, in the eyes of a Muslim - yes, in the eyes of a Morman- yes - I have been living my life wrong
according to them - how ignorant is what i would say.
Sorry friend, but we disagree. Peace anyway and Good luck.
[edit on 1/7/10 by awake_and_aware]