Mad as hell - The real face of the BP oil catastrophe, page 6


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reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 07:41 AM by PuterMan
reply to post by HeavenlyDivine


There's alternatives to oil. The oil industry has made it so these alternatives never see the light of day.

None of us are to blame, BP troll.


And what did you do, being aware of these alternatives (therefore they have seen the light of day), to foster the uptake of them perhaps in another format?

"Oh no, the Big Oil bought the patent, we can't do anything"

BS. If you actually cared you would be out there developing patent busting alternatives because if enough of us do it the patents could not be enforced, but no, all you can do is sit in your armchair in front of your computer and cry "troll". Shame on you. Many others are out there trying to do something about it. At least they are trying.

[edit on 26/6/2010 by PuterMan]


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 07:46 AM by Astroved
Originally posted by MisterSinister
reply to post by Nomad451


Are you kidding? You gotta be man. Only the SIMPLE MINDED would resort to such a biased conclusion. We are all to blame, hey? Every single product or invention which establishes a foothold to escape from our collective dependence on this filthy product is destroyed. Either by a swift purchase of plans and patents, plus a quick bribe of a few million dollars. The ceramic engine (which employs zero oil), high output steam engines, electric battery technology (battery companies are owned by various organisations and businesses which lead back to oil companies. Follow the money trail), the list goes on - in which technology is improving in leaps and bounds are being suppressed by those who stand to lose the most. There are thousands of products out there which are of major benefit to us all. If not directly, then indirectly via a cleaner environment, less pollutants, more clean jobs and the overall freedom of our species, which do not fall into the "planned obsolescence" category. Industrial hemp would save the world. And before any potentially bigoted misunderstandings about industrial hemp, do your research on the subject and see how redundant oil really is. What you know to be truth today will not necessarily be truth tomorrow.

Our dependence on oil is a choice we do not have very much power in making. The only thing which improves choice is money and power. Anything which offers a clear path from lies and deceit is HEAVILY regulated, discredited at mass by established institutions.

I think you're unaware of more than you're aware of. I don't wish to waste any more time here on this thread. There are more constructive things to be done right now. But I could not scroll past your comment without your ignorance smacking me in the face. You need more self education on thinking for yourself and not letting the established institutions sway your critical thinking, especially at a time like this.

Peace bro.
Hope you find some of your own answers soon.


Hurrah! Mister Sinister, I so agree. Technologies that would offer an alternative to oil are killed & buried by the oil companies. I do NOT feel guilty for using oil-based products. How many alternatives do most of us have access to?

Astroved


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 07:54 AM by PuterMan
reply to post by Divinorumus


In a self-punishing kind of way, brought on by my conscience, I hope them two relief wells turn into the same thing as that primary well has become. Lets just get this over with 3 times faster.


That is just plain sick

By the way these two wells they are drilling, whilst called relief wells, are not to relieve the pressure. They are to enable plugging the leak at the bottom of the well shaft so that the sea bed leaking stops as well. I hope they work as that would remove the future source of pollution leaving us with the task of clearing up the mess that has already been created.


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 07:58 AM by Divinorumus
Originally posted by PuterMan
I thank my ancestors that they strived for profit to give me the lifestyle I enjoy today, ...

We are quite a bit different, you and I.

I curse my ancestors for what they have done. I mean, for example, I was born here upon this planet by no fault of my own. By birth right though, a part of this planet should belong to me free and clear upon being born here. Yet, those before us apparently proclaimed the entire Earth belongs to them, and thus to enjoy a piece of my fare share of MY home planet, which I was born upon by no fault of my own I remind you, I have to earn some of THEIR funny fiat money in order to buy a piece of it from them because they before us have proclaimed they own it all?

And if that wasn't bad enough, I have to pay taxes to the king in order to keep it, when it should be mine free and clear after I had paid for it? What kind of crazy expletive jack is that?

I look out the window and see deer that roam (relatively) free that enjoy more land and freedom than I could ever hope for, and they don't even have to tithe the king in order to enjoy what is theirs by birth right too. We are worse off than the dear that roam free in the forests.

Nah, this is one messed up world and maybe it is time for a huge RESET! Go ahead, folks, nuke the Earths crust trying to fix what humanity has wrought upon itself. Humanity deserves the consequences that will insure. Don't worry though, the Earth will heal herself, and without humanity around any more the planet and all her other inhabitants will be better off without us to mess it all up again .. if THIS is what it means to be humans.

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reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 08:13 AM by skeptic_al
Originally posted by HeavenlyDivine
Originally posted by Nomad451
Your computer you sit at is made from oil. The clothes on your back were produced and shipped using oil. The food you ate last night came from oil. The house you sit in was constructed on the precipice of oil.

Walk outside, have a look around you. Our ENTIRE western civilization is built by, runs on, lives breathes and eats oil.

We are the consuming drug addicts, BP and other oil companies are the drug dealers.

I just want you to look at it in this perspective along with your own, which I do agree with. Corners were cut, dangers overlooked, and what we have is potentially a cataclysmic event for all life. I believe this event will plunge us all off the cliff.

Its beyond words what has happened and may god help us all.

But I will say to you don't ride a high horse when it comes to this megalithic fu@k up.

We are all to blame.


There's alternatives to oil. The oil industry has made it so these alternatives never see the light of day.

None of us are to blame, BP troll.



Sure there are alternatives, each one has problems in either
cost, production or power.

Nothing comes close to Energy vs Cost than Oil.

And Making gasoline is only one part of the oil usage.
How many objects in your house were derived from Oil, it's actually
a shorter list to list those that arn't made from oil. And you have to
burn more Oil to build "Green" cars than traditional gas guzzlers.
"Green" would be better off Long term, but we are in a Throw-Away
society so the Long Term will never get there.


Hydrogen: The most abundant element in the Universe, but on
earth it's always attached to something else. To get hydrogen out
water just takes so much energy for so little gas. And to replace
gasoline as a source you're going to need a ship load of Power.


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 08:16 AM by PuterMan
reply to post by Astroved


You probably also don't know then that once upon a time it was ILLEGAL NOT to grow hemp.

The oil companies saw to it that it became illegal back in the 30s because it was such a threat to them.

I don't know about the states, but here in Europe you can get a licence to grow hemp commercially. (It is not the spliff variety)

reply to post by Divinorumus


Nah, this is one messed up world and maybe it is time for a huge RESET! Go ahead, folks, nuke the Earths crust trying to fix what humanity has wrought upon itself. Humanity deserves the consequences that will insure. Don't worry though, the Earth will heal herself, and without humanity around any more the planet and all her other inhabitants will be better off without us to mess it all up again .. if THIS is what it means to be humans.


We (you and I) are not actually as different as you imagine. I look forward to a reset, but in the mean time I would rather it was Gaia that did it than us.

I love the land - I have 9.5 acres - and I try to use it. I don't often succeed, but that is because of other considerations. Unfortunately to become self sufficient requires money, and I have none. I am exploring water powered generators , building a wind generator etc

No, we are not so different except perhaps for the realism.

reply to post by skeptic_al


Hydrogen: The most abundant element in the Universe, but on earth it's always attached to something else. To get hydrogen out water just takes so much energy for so little gas


Not true - do your homework.

[edit on 26/6/2010 by PuterMan]


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 08:20 AM by Astroved
reply to post by ofhumandescent


OfHumanDescent, thanks for posting this. Now I may understand why William Allen Kruse, captain of a charter fishing boat, "The Rookie" (Orange Beach, Alabama) and hired to work on the oil clean-up, took a gun to himself.

It also reminds me of that Zulu shaman's prediction that half of humankind will perish by 2011. What's his name? Credo Mutwa or something like that?

If this is our fate, then my advice is to enjoy what little time there is.

Astroved


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 09:14 AM by PuterMan
reply to post by Stewie


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Plus many thousands more. That is one of the most intelligent posts I have seen on all of these oil threads.


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 09:33 AM by Stewie
reply to post by PuterMan

Thank you.
Sorry for the oil slick, I hope it doesn't ruin the ocean view or the fishing there.

Peace.


reply posted on 26-6-2010 @ 09:52 AM by DAVID64
reply to post by sadwolf


Hopefully, BP will get what it deserves in the end. The stock is dropping like a rock and the 20 billion they are supposed to post for clean up is waaay beyond their actual cash on hand of 6.8. Wonder how much ol' Tony has in the bank? I'll bet a lot went to an offshore account when this happened. S&F for the OP.
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