Guns Save Lives

Originally posted by Breizhoo
You want figures showing that more gun rights = more violence? Fine.

In 2005, in the US, there were 5.6 homicides/100.000 people.
In 2005, in France (ban on guns), there were 1.6 homicides/100.000 people.
In Germany, 1.06 homicides/100.000 people.

There's nothing in your data that associates guns with the rates of crime. While violent crime and homicides may be higher in USA no figure is attributed to those involving the use of firearms. You'll need to present more than a flat comparison of a single data point.

not sure that last post had anything to do with actual guns. so what if their is less violent crime in france. could be their culture not the fact that guns aren't present. could be lots of crime in france but that since they are all pussies they don't try to defend themselves when getting mugged and the crime never becomes violent. just kidding about the french being pussies.

But seriously some societies just have less crime than others. could be their upbringing. but guns aren't necessarily corelated to those last statistics.

Persoanlly I feel more guns equals less violent crime. the thugs aren't getting their guns from stores and using them. they can get guns from anywhere. Guns being banned still leaves guns in the hands of the criminal and none in the hands of the civilian.

Also about the 2nd ammendment. I always thoughtthe right to bear arms was two fold. one for general protection from physical violence such as animal and people attacks. but I always felt the main reason it was the second most important ammendment to the constitution was that guns in the hands of the civilian population is a checks and balance against the govt. see in history really bad things happened to populations of poeple when they weren't allowed to have weapons but the rulers and their enforcers were. the rulers became the evil in the land that subjected and tyranized. to prevent the govt from going out of control 1984, big brother, or plain dictator/facist-ships and the people enslaved. didn't want that to happen yet again. so after freedom, the next important ammendment the 2nd. is a means to secure and ensure that freedom.
The founding fathers knew what they were doing when they put the second amendment there. Cops just don't like this fact and niether do the lawmakers they work for. why do you think they want the populus unarmed. it makes their job easier. it's not about your protection but their ability to be unopposed even if they are acting corrupt by the population. Guns were part of the 2nd amendment to aim at corrupt LEO's and politicians as much as it was for home defense. ensuring freedom.

Here's John Lott himself speaking on the subject at a convention of doctors.


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[edit on 25-6-2010 by mnemeth1]

Originally posted by Breizhoo
You want figures showing that more gun rights = more violence? Fine.

In 2005, in the US, there were 5.6 homicides/100.000 people.
In 2005, in France (ban on guns), there were 1.6 homicides/100.000 people.
In Germany, 1.06 homicides/100.000 people.

And those statistics have a major flaw. You see, the US murder rate is not uniform across the country. In fact, you'll find that many areas with very high rates of gun ownership have very low homicide rates.

North Dakota: 0.47
New Hampshire: 0.91
Nebraska: 1.23
Utah: 1.50
Idaho: 1.51
Wyoming: 1.88 (Has the highest rate of firearms ownership of any state in the US)

Several of these are open carry states.

Source

That's right. All of those states, which have high gun ownership rates, have homicide rates comparable to or even lower than France or Germany. And did I mention, roughly a third of all US homicides do not involve the use of a firearm, so those rates are in reality even lower when considering only firearm usage.

Compare those numbers to the homicide rates in Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, Baltimore and New Orleans. Those five cities alone will likely make up 20% of ALL US homicides in a given year and each will have a homicide rate several times the national average. With

Needless to say, the inner cities are what are skewing the numbers, and ironically, they also tend to have the toughest gun laws.

[edit on 25-6-2010 by vor78]