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The Broad Way verses The Narrow Way

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posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 03:05 PM
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The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.-1Tim4.1

all because of the wanton lust of a harlot, alluring, the mistress of sorceries, who enslaved nations by her prostitution and peoples by her witchcraft.-Nah3.4

This title was written on her forehead:
MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.-Rev17.4

I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.-2Cor11.3

But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives.-1Tim5.6




posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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IF IF IF they DO NOT continue in what?

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.-John3.18

"Therefore I want you to know that God's salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!"-Acts28.28

You will see it with your own eyes and say, 'Great is the LORD -even beyond the borders of Israel!'-Mal1.5

he will be a sanctuary; but for both houses of Israel he will be a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap and a snare.-Is8.14

The pride of your heart has deceived you,
you who live in the clefts of the rocks
and make your home on the heights,
you who say to yourself,
'Who can bring me down to the ground?'
4 Though you soar like the eagle
and make your nest among the stars,
from there I will bring you down,"
declares the LORD.-Ob1.3

polished to flash like lightning! " 'Shall we rejoice in the scepter of my son Judah ? The sword despises every such stick.-Eze21.10

Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength?-Is63.1

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!-John1.29

The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.-Is11.6

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.-Matt23.9

Their buyers slaughter them and go unpunished. Those who sell them say, 'Praise the LORD, I am rich!' Their own shepherds do not spare them.-Zech11.5

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.-Matt19.28

but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.-1John4.3

He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.-Rev13.15

For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—Phil3.3

There is neither Jew nor Greek-Gal3.28

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.-Rev3.9

Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow down before you with their faces to the ground; they will lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in me will not be disappointed."-Is49.23

The LORD is slow to anger and great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet.-Nah1.3

Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the LORD
and against his Anointed One.
3 "Let us break their chains," they say,
"and throw off their fetters."-Ps2.1

Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.-Gal3.15

The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.-17

it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.-Rom9.8

These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children...But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother....At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."-Gal4

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves.-Rev20

The kings of the earth did not believe, nor did any of the world's people, that enemies and foes could enter the gates of Jerusalem.-Lam4.12

I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.-1Cor15.50

" 'Because you have said, "These two nations and countries will be ours and we will take possession of them," even though I the LORD was there, 11 therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I will treat you in accordance with the anger and jealousy you showed in your hatred of them and I will make myself known among them when I judge you.-Eze35.10



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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why don't you show where Paul said He was the Christ?

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.-John10.27

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.-Heb4.8

For the revelation awaits an appointed time;
it speaks of the end
and will not prove false.
Though it linger, wait for it;
it will certainly come and will not delay.
4 "See, he is puffed up;
his desires are not upright—
but the righteous will live by his faith-Hab2



[edit on by No King but Jesus]



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by No King but Jesus
reply to post by LeoVirgo
 


The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.-1Tim4.1

all because of the wanton lust of a harlot, alluring, the mistress of sorceries, who enslaved nations by her prostitution and peoples by her witchcraft.-Nah3.4

This title was written on her forehead:
MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.-Rev17.4

I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.-2Cor11.3

But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives.-1Tim5.6



Quoting other mens word offers no knowledge of things of Spirit.

I had to let go of the fears man places on us to be led by the Spirit. This was a must, for how can we be shown anything if we are in fear.

My path had nothing to do with demons, earthly pleasures, ect...my sincere and pure devotion was at its most humble and honest of my entire life. I learned I had to let go of Earthly pleasures and that I had to place trust in the idea that God would be there, if I sought for Thee. There was a time of testing, my reasons for seeking Thee on a personal path were tested. It had to be for the will of all...not for the will of just my own self. I later understood this, for the Spirit is only for the ALL...it is within us all...we are ONE in Spirit.

My devotion is not to Jesus, a man...but for the Spirit that he awoke to knowing, which is the same one within me, you, and all others. Only I can know if I was honest in heart through this time of my life and I am not here to try to prove that I was to others. I am here to say, anyone can do this, anyone can experience, learning through the Holy Spirit.

If you are afraid that God wont lead you...then really, where is your faith? To have more faith in demons, then God....what kind of hope is that? What kind of trust is that? That God...expects you....to listen to other men, who are deceivers, misleaders, of flesh.

This is why I say, not to take my word for it....if you trust Thee, and seek with the right intentions...you will be shown the shame that man has done to what is Holy, what is the nature of the Divine.

There is very good reason why the Divine plan is within life itself, where the Spirit dwells. There is very good reason, man MUST seek....and not just follow. Through personal experiences and relation with Thee...then it becomes much more then just faith.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by No King but Jesus
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why don't you show where Paul said He was the Christ?




Paul came in and changed Jesus' message from one which required you to live, think, and act like him, to a message that only required your faith and promised that Jesus' death was all you needed for salvation?

Did he have to literally say he was the Christ when he came in and overrode what Jesus said and replaced it with his own message? His actions speak louder than words. He was not spreading Jesus' message, but his own.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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again I ask what Spirit was in Jesus? in the Apostles? are your words written by you? theirs? who do you think your against and how many generations of them?

They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.-Rev16.9

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."-Heb1.6

Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God-Rev5.6

His body was like chrysolite, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude.-Dan10.6

They are all defying Caesar's decrees, saying that there is another king, one called Jesus."-Acts17.7

"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.' "He was made king, however-Luke19.14

For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.-Is60.12

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.-Matt28.18

For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."-Acts17.31

In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings.-Jude1.8

"Now the dwelling of God is with men-Rev21.3

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.-Is40.22

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
-1Cor11.3

he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body-1Cor6.16

With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries."-Rev17.2

In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.'-Rev18.7

But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit-.17



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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God's judgment is perfect. Since God has blinded certain Jews then it would seem unfair to condemn those that He blinded. It is related to the way that little children can be saved (at death) even though they have not believed the Word - 2 Samuel 12:23.

I could be wrong about God saving those He blinds but I do believe there will be a remnant of Israel that will be saved before the end of this age.

Zech 13:6-9
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Zech 14:1-5
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives , which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Luke 21:20-28
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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My main point is that God will not break His covenant. He will save Israel not because they deserve it, but because He can't lie. This subject is somewhat off topic for this thread so I'll refrain from further debate on Israel.

Peace





[edit on 28-6-2010 by FearNoEvil]



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 06:27 PM
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My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.-John10.29

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.-John3.16

Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his Name, he gave the right to become children of God-John1.12

You will know that I am the LORD, when I deal with you for my Name's sake and not according to your evil ways and your corrupt practices-Eze20.44

Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand-Rom9.11(Gen25)

So then, the word of the LORD to them will become: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there— so that they will go and fall backward, be injured and snared and captured.-Is28.13

For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.-1Cor7.14

Is this the kind of fast I have chosen,
only a day for a man to humble himself?
Is it only for bowing one's head like a reed
and for lying on sackcloth and ashes?
Is that what you call a fast,
a day acceptable to the LORD ?
6 "Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen:
to loose the chains of injustice
and untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free
and break every yoke?-Is58.5

Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your evil assemblies.
14 Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts
my soul hates.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.-Is1.13

having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.-Col2.14

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike.-Rom14.5

For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."-Matt18.20

the Most High does not live in houses made by men-Acts7.48



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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again I ask what Spirit was in Jesus? in the Apostles? are your words written by you? theirs? who do you think your against and how many generations of them?


There is only one Spirit of life, it is the Holy Spirit of God. There is no life, without it.

All written words are written by man. There must be discernment of what nature has inspired the words. There must be discernment of wisdom's of things of Earth and wisdom of things of Spirit.

Im against the generations that have lived to separate mankind, the ones that needed to test their pride over lands, their greed over bloodlines and colors, their lusts for the riches of Earth.

As much as I see...all of those generations NEEDED to happen for us to weigh and measure the past and learn from it....I can also see now, we have enough experiences to learn from. There are no more excuses, we should be able to stop living in separation, we should be able to work together and ration out the riches of Earth to all, we should be able to unite and be the highest vision that is held for Earth.

There still are some lessons that will play out, and they will be nasty. Just as though our other pasts were needed, so is what is to come, much needed. The ones that await a special land for a Spiritual God...will have to test their desires.

Your belief that God will not have understanding of the students in Spirit that are still figuring out how to work the problem...does not help us as a species. Just like your belief, you are ready to give up on many. Just like your belief, you are ready to see the ones that do not understand, receive just for this. How can you receive reward, when others of Spirit are still learning? How can you not offer yourself back to it all to be used, even abused, if that is what it will take mankind to be what it is to be.

Are you ready to carry your cross..are you ready to offer yourself, to the life of Spirit...for what ever will may be?

We are on a cycle...and we are really only half way through. We have much to learn yet, as a unit.

It seems you are ready for the end to come...

Did we move the mountains yet? Have we gone on to do better things yet? I must have missed that part in our history.

You have to start to ask questions. It is what you as a instrument are made to do. You are to weigh things, sift things, for yourself.

God does not curse anyone. God knows, just what they are in need of. Through the cycle of reaping what they sow, they will receive what they need.

God has no reason to curse anything.

A lot of the OT is about a family separating....having disagreements, and fighting over rights and power.

Jesus, being of the tribe of Judah, was a immediate threat to the other tribes.

There was still much pride and greed over who was more powerful over the others. The idea that a King would come and be of a certain tribe....creates the perfect plot for keeping separation amongst this family line.

In the OT...the word that became eventually translated as 'Jew' was the same word for 'Judah'. A tribe tried to claim something that was not theirs, they were not of the Judaic tribe. There was jealousy between all of the tribes. The Jews did not accept Jesus for what the people claimed him as...the Jews did not claim Jesus as their King. The part that had the people so upset was the fact that Jesus, was the King of Judah....not the Jews.

For reasons of power, pride, and greed....the story gets twisted to serve to agenda of the people that wrote the events. Things got twisted in Babylon when the tribes were there as well. All according to what people were doing the writing.

The Bible is based on separation, pride, and greed. The Spirit is very few and far between the lines of man and things of Earthly ways. The Spirit is within the book...but it is not laid out for the foolish to see or the common man to fall upon. Pearls are not just given away to those that will not see their worth.

We are lucky to have alot of the saying of Jesus...but even the words acclaimed to him...must be discerned through the Holy Spirit.




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posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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I am not of Paul, but since some like to slam the one that God gave the greatest revelation too, concerning the Church, I will speak on behalf of my brother in Christ.

There were many things that were kept hidden and kept a mystery and that God, Jehovah did not want to reveal until the death of His Son. HE HAD TO KEEP IT HIDDEN FROM THE ENEMY!

"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." (1 Corinthians 2:7,8)


Satan, the Devil could not see this 2000 years of the Age of Grace. If He had he would not have killed the Lord. Satan did not see Gods's plan of Grace. Satan was blind to the Mystery and if Jesus would have revealed it then Jesus would not have always did his Fathers Will now would he? Satan, the prince of this world (SURPRISE!) would not have crucified Jesus Christ.

The Apostle Paul was given information about the Mystery of the New Birth and the the Gentiles could also be saved not the Jews only.

Some want believe the truth if it slapped them in the face, come on people!



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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However, I see this getting a little out of hand. See you at another time.

Thanks for all input!

Seek Truth!



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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And none of those are Jesus saying that belief alone and his death would save you. None of them.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:28 PM
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How do you credit to 'satan' something that man did?

The reasons for what man does, is ways of Earthly things. Not because of a source outside of them. We carry our actions and beliefs upon us...we have to face what we do. Those who take a life have to face that...and somehow will reap what they have sown....not through punishment, but to learn from what they have done.

Jesus spoke against the main stream beliefs on his time. This is why the people sought to have him killed...for blasphemy against their 'god' and their beliefs. They were still caught up in ways of Earth (pride, jealousy, greed) and could not hear the wisdom in the words of Jesus. Who wants to admit they are wrong?

Jesus was of the tribe of Judah....those not of the tribe of Judah would of not wanted a 'king' from another tribe. Its obvious these tribes fought over everything and jealousy and pride was the culprit. Many did not want a 'king of Judah'.

I know you dont believe this...but Gods plan does not involve any being having to be killed for another. There is no scapegoat route...we carry our own cross, we will reap what we sow...there is no free pass.

Jesus died because he refused to fight for this life of Earth here....which should be telling all of the followers of Jesus...God is not going to fight for a Temple or land here either.

Know what is of Spirit...so you can start to live for that life. He should us the path to walk...but no one wants to walk it themselves. As if we are not supposed to have to do any work for growing in Spirit.

Being saved sounds great and all...but it would serve us no growth. We are to carry our own cross...we are to make the same offering back to the Holy Spirit as Jesus did...we are to choose what life we live for. This is why free will is so important....it must be at our choosing we do this...if it was forced upon us in any way, there would be no growth as spiritual beings.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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one night after picking up a small green Gideon NT I heard an AUDIBLE voice as if sitting beside me on the left that said-my name, I am Jesus I died for your sins believe in Me and you will never perish



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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Ah, a thinker I see, thank you for joining in this discussion.

People don't see that humans have free will and freely used it for personal gain and other things, like Paul did when Usurping James to head the fledgling church-movement.

I've tried for years to help people understand the role Paul played in the bastardisation of Jesus' message to humanity.

Let's see if they will read it now and see it with Open Eyes....

After the alleged death of Jesus.. we say alleged because there has never been any proof other than word of mouth written long after the events... his brother James was head of the "church" in it's infancy.

Paul, who I think was an 'undercover agent' of sorts for the Hebrew Faith, wrested control from James in a bloodless Coup.

From that day forward the Story Changed.... hope you all see that and understand it well... insure your eyes and ears are open now okay?

Paul was a Deceiver!

Paul bastardised the message of Jesus!

Paul Usurped control from James, the rightful leader.

Paul provided the additions that all Christians are bound by in their belief-system.. that Jesus died for Your Sins.. even when you have no Sin.

Paul thusly brought about the exact opposite of what Jesus was aiming for.. to awaken people that they know "it is them who are the sons of the living father"... he prevented them from coming to know that they hold the power within and could easily be like Jesus and do the things he could do.

Cor Leonis,
You've stated that you won't reply to comments that are "out there".. so I gather you have Judged those statements and those who make them, as such?

Did you not know that Your God is still at work in the world?

Did you not know that you and every other human being that has ever lived is an equal in the eyes of this God.. although Paul would have you personally Judge them as less.

I leave you now with this....

Love all people as you love yourself, the insane, the sick, the wealthy and poor, those who annoy you, those who hate you, those you hate, and those who try to Open Your Eyes.. love them all for then and only then are you being as Jesus was, as opposed to how Paul wants you to be.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:39 PM
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the Jerusalem above is free and she is our mother-Gal4(read all of it)

Only do not take my son back there."-Gen24.8



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 08:43 PM
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Paul was not an Apostle. He never met Jesus. And you are saying that Jesus was somehow tricked by God, and not told how to save the people, and all that Jesus was saying was essentially just filler until PAUL came to reveal the "real" way to salvation?

I just dont think so.

Look, you are right. No matter what, some people wont see the truth if it is right before their very eyes. Paul contradicts Jesus. Jesus insisted that you must be like him. Paul says all you have to do is believe and Jesus did all the hard work for you.

Jesus said all you needed were two or more people gathered in his name, Paul founded churches.

One was pursuing no material power, no big name for himself, and lived and died trying to tell people how to be saved.

The other held himself above the Son of God by going in and changing around what Jesus himself taught.

I dont have a dog in this fight. My point is made. The reason for what Jesus said about the broad path, and how so many in the end will say, "Lord lord did we not prophesy in your name" is because He KNEW that his teachings were going to be hijacked, much like you would expect that a Son of God might know what was going to happen. And he warned his followers not to be deceived.

Now you can listen to Paul, or you can listen to Jesus. I know who I would bet my soul on.



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 09:02 PM
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.-John3.16

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.-1John2.18

You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.-Matt16.3

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.-Matt24.27

This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God-1John4.2

We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.-1John4.6



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by No King but Jesus
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.-John3.16

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.-1John2.18

You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.-Matt16.3

For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.-Matt24.27

This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God-1John4.2

We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.-1John4.6



I am aware of what the book says....



posted on Jun, 28 2010 @ 09:11 PM
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wow so even Jesus word is not His word?



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