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What are the signs that tell you whether you have been 'abducted' or not?

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posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 11:42 PM
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Well, to be frank, EarthSister, assuming immediately by what he's told us that he's been contacted by aliens is a bit of a stretch too. His physical scars are what he's most puzzled by, or so that's what I've gathered.

As I've said before, I think you and Paul Richard have this thing all wrong. I'm a Realist in many respects, and I think there might very well be a physical explanation for these happenings, aside from the paranormal ones that you two are so rapidly leaning towards. ALWAYS remain skeptical, yes, but do not immediately rush there when you simply cannot explain something right off hand.

Stop putting thoughts into his head yourself. Granted, we're all posing ideas that make sense to each of us, and I think that's good in the decision-making process, but isn't it a bit rash to rush STRAIGHT to alien contact/abduction/anal probe (last one is sarcasm people. leave it at that
)?

As Sherlock Holmes always said, "Eliminate all other possibilities, and whatever remains, no matter how rediculous it sounds, MUST be the truth." We haven't exhausted all possibilities yet. Why don't we wait until the aliens are the last choice, since they are the least believable here?




posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 02:08 AM
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This has been really fun to read. Made for TV movie is the first thing comes to mind.


Space never ends right? Well lets say it doesn't, then who knows whats out there.

I think life in space sounds alright. Some of this stuff sounds crazy. made for TV crazy.
I don't mean to make fun of or come off as an a**hole, however this stuff is way out in space.



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
Well, to be frank, EarthSister, assuming immediately by what he's told us that he's been contacted by aliens is a bit of a stretch too. His physical scars are what he's most puzzled by, or so that's what I've gathered.

As I've said before, I think you and Paul Richard have this thing all wrong. I'm a Realist in many respects, and I think there might very well be a physical explanation for these happenings, aside from the paranormal ones that you two are so rapidly leaning towards. ALWAYS remain skeptical, yes, but do not immediately rush there when you simply cannot explain something right off hand.


Alien experiences are normal, not paranormal. The alien people are physical, just like you and me. Alien experiences are beyond your belief because there is no personal experience or understanding of them in your own mind. But do not assume that nobody else may know something you do not. The world and Universe are made of infinitely more things than we can explain right off hand, and sometimes we get a glimpse of them. I know what you are saying-- more like "Don't go off the deep end over something if you are not even sure of what it is." and I agree with that. "Immediately rushing" to do whatever you can to figure out what is going on is infinitely better than to be in denial that something happened, or that something exists, or to instead doubt your own sanity, or to keep it shameful a secret from your family and peers so that they do not look at you as a kook.


Stop putting thoughts into his head yourself. Granted, we're all posing ideas that make sense to each of us, and I think that's good in the decision-making process, but isn't it a bit rash to rush STRAIGHT to alien contact/abduction/anal probe (last one is sarcasm people. leave it at that
)?


To offer encouragement and support, we can only go by what JP says and not by everybody else's gossip. It's not a rush at all. JP found us himself and he addressed us because of our discussions. His experiences sound exactly like alien life to me and my understanding comes from my lifelong experience in learning how they happen. Somebody can't just make these up without somebody else who actually knows the aliens knowing that. And see what you did with that "anal probe" comment? Every wiseguy who knows nothing personally about alien life who gives his opinion about alien life throws that one in there because it stands out the most in their minds among all things they hear repeated. They do not have anything better to offer. That is the power of commercialism and propaganda and gossip.


As Sherlock Holmes always said, "Eliminate all other possibilities, and whatever remains, no matter how rediculous it sounds, MUST be the truth." We haven't exhausted all possibilities yet. Why don't we wait until the aliens are the last choice, since they are the least believable here?


Sherlock Homes is not a real person. You are using fiction to say that something has to be believable to be real. Does that mean things are disappearing all over the Universe as we deny them? Or if nothing can exist outside our minds, does that mean that the Universe already exists entirely inside our minds?

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[edit on 18-6-2004 by EarthSister]



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 06:54 AM
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Hello,

Just a general statement first. Really no need to argue with each other over this situation. I know both Mr. Richard and EarthSister have very different beliefs regarding the nature of these alleged experiences, and I respect both points of view. One speaks to my logic by suggesting a malevolent nature to these beings, and a possible agenda. The other, speaks to my logic by suggesting a journey inside, and that "truth" can only come from my own understanding.

Both are, in my opinion, excellent stances. I look at every angle to a situation, and as these two are the most prominent viewpoints I have come across, I greatly appreciate and respect both of them.

Then we have TheBorg, who is right by stating that these could in fact be something totally different that the two above stances. This means that there could be a entirely different "truth" regarding these alleged "encounters", or they could be some psychological manifestation, or hold a physical and logical explanation. This is another angle I refuse to discount.

So really, I think we can all throw ideas out, collaboration can help to lead to understanding. Who knows, maybe even polar opposites such as Mr.Richard and EarthSister will see a commonality which they have yet to. Just a possibility.

JP

castellammare78,

Hi there. Thanks for your comment. It holds no real info or value to me, but it was nice to have a laugh. I mean, if it wasn't happening to me, I assure you I'd be laughing my .. butt off at this entire subject. Is it ignorance? Maybe, or it's just a logical life and set of experiences that make such subjects seem irrelevant to some.

Glad you had a laugh though. I must say this is defiantly not funny to me however. If you have any further comments or thoughts, please fill me in. I'd appreciate it.

JP

I'll finish responding to the various thoughts presented later. Going to go get my morning coffee infusion as it were. Thank you all again.

JP



posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by AnOldWanderer

One speaks to my logic by suggesting a malevolent nature to these beings, and a possible agenda. The other, speaks to my logic by suggesting a journey inside, and that "truth" can only come from my own understanding.

Both are, in my opinion, excellent stances. I look at every angle to a situation, and as these two are the most prominent viewpoints I have come across, I greatly appreciate and respect both of them.



Hi JP,

I'd like to clarify something.

What I furthered in this discussion was both stances: that the "truth" can be found "inside" (as long as you don't accept any messages from entities that claim to be your abductors -- remember the meditation and remote viewing link?) and that ANY KIDNAPPING by definition, once it is determined to be so, is a VIOLATION OF SELF.

Hey, if you were abducted by government agents and brainwashed with drugs, you would handle it the same way.




posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 05:30 PM
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AnOldWanderer:

One question: did you by chance start taking melatonin anytime recently? I know that it's reccomended a lot as an anti-aging supplement -- your body produces less and less as you get older -- and so there's an off chance you've started using it of your own volition or have been reccomended to do so by your doctors. Even if you're not intentionally taking it, if you're taking any kind of nutritional supplement that's aimed at older folks you might want to check to see if melatonin is listed as an ingredient.

I ask this because one of melatonin's side effects is that after a few days of taking it one typically starts having dreams that are MUCH more intense -- and often more lucid -- than usual. Essentially melatonin metabolizes to 5-meo-dmt, which is a potent hallucinogen in its own right and is probably partially responsible for the normal "dreaming" experience, but i'm not up enough on my neurochemistry to know how sound that explanation is.

In any case, though, the fact of the matter is that taking melatonin will almost inevitably result in having extraodinarily intense dreams that are often lucid; if you've started taking it recently you may have an explanation for the marked increase in your dream intensity.

If, on the other hand, you're not taking melatonin, and these dreams are still ongoing, you might consider taking some before bed -- it can take up to a week to kick in, fyi -- and seeing what happens; if you're lucky you might get an extra kick of lucidity that would help you find out some more. It obviously might not do anything, or might make the dreams more intense without adding to your lucidity during them; it's really a mixed bag, but if you're so inclined you might consider giving it a go.

Either way, though, I encourage you to write down as much as you can remember from your dreams -- if "something" is going on there may be clues in there, and even if not your dreams sound interesting. I'd like to ask some questions if you don't mind -- asking specifc questions tends to firm up memories, i've found:

what color was the sky in your dream with the binary star system? were there clouds in the sky? what time of "day" did it look like? what color was the ground? what sort of texture did it have? how big did the two stars look in the sky -- sun sized? star-sized?

the ship -- did it emit any light? where from? what color? what color was the bulk of it? what kind of geometry did the lines/indentions in its surface have -- rectangles? curves?

sorry if it sounds like a lot -- answer as many or as few as you like, i'm curious about the answers but more just trying to be helpful and help jog your memory a bit.



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 03:03 AM
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Before I begin this long rebuttal, I want to make it known that I wasn't trying, and will never try, to directly attack you or your beliefs. I just disagree is all, and am trying to be what most people call the "logical voice".


Originally posted by EarthSister

Originally posted by TheBorg
Well, to be frank, EarthSister, assuming immediately by what he's told us that he's been contacted by aliens is a bit of a stretch too. His physical scars are what he's most puzzled by, or so that's what I've gathered.

As I've said before, I think you and Paul Richard have this thing all wrong. I'm a Realist in many respects, and I think there might very well be a physical explanation for these happenings, aside from the paranormal ones that you two are so rapidly leaning towards. ALWAYS remain skeptical, yes, but do not immediately rush there when you simply cannot explain something right off hand.


Alien experiences are normal, not paranormal. The alien people are physical, just like you and me. Alien experiences are beyond your belief because there is no personal experience or understanding of them in your own mind. But do not assume that nobody else may know something you do not. The world and Universe are made of infinitely more things than we can explain right off hand, and sometimes we get a glimpse of them. I know what you are saying-- more like "Don't go off the deep end over something if you are not even sure of what it is." and I agree with that. "Immediately rushing" to do whatever you can to figure out what is going on is infinitely better than to be in denial that something happened, or that something exists, or to instead doubt your own sanity, or to keep it shameful a secret from your family and peers so that they do not look at you as a kook.


If these experiences are so normal, then how come is it that only a SELECT FEW get to experience them? Sounds to me like they're some very fickle aliens.

I would NEVER assume that no one else can know something that I do not; that would be stupid. I'm no genuis.




Stop putting thoughts into his head yourself. Granted, we're all posing ideas that make sense to each of us, and I think that's good in the decision-making process, but isn't it a bit rash to rush STRAIGHT to alien contact/abduction/anal probe (last one is sarcasm people. leave it at that
)?


To offer encouragement and support, we can only go by what JP says and not by everybody else's gossip. It's not a rush at all. JP found us himself and he addressed us because of our discussions. His experiences sound exactly like alien life to me and my understanding comes from my lifelong experience in learning how they happen. Somebody can't just make these up without somebody else who actually knows the aliens knowing that. And see what you did with that "anal probe" comment? Every wiseguy who knows nothing personally about alien life who gives his opinion about alien life throws that one in there because it stands out the most in their minds among all things they hear repeated. They do not have anything better to offer. That is the power of commercialism and propaganda and gossip.


His experiences do not sound like alien life to me at all. I don't like the idea of making someone paranoid about some foreign intruder capturing him/her during the night while they sleep, and whisking them off to never-never land to visit and have a bonding session.

Now, before you start complaining about all of those cliche things I've said; that's sarcasm. I'm trying to lighten the mood, as I was trying to do with the anal probe comment in my previous post, Obviously, you missed [skipped over] the part where I mentioned it was sarcasm. I EXPLICITLY made mention of that comment as sarcasm. Please pay attention when I say something from now on.




As Sherlock Holmes always said, "Eliminate all other possibilities, and whatever remains, no matter how rediculous it sounds, MUST be the truth." We haven't exhausted all possibilities yet. Why don't we wait until the aliens are the last choice, since they are the least believable here?


Sherlock Homes is not a real person. You are using fiction to say that something has to be believable to be real. Does that mean things are disappearing all over the Universe as we deny them? Or if nothing can exist outside our minds, does that mean that the Universe already exists entirely inside our minds?


It does not matter to me whether Sherlock was a real person or not. The point is still very valid. You canNOT deny that part of the analytical process is sifting through what is and is not most likely the possibility for something to happen.

And look, just because I say something doesn't seem feasible does NOT mean that it's not possible. It simply means that I don't believe it. All that you and Paul_Richard have posted so far is a bunch of stuff that is neither factually supported nor provable. All that I have mentioned, possibility-wise, however, is very factually supported. As for being provable, well, that's another story. I'd have to be there to see what he's talking about.

In closing, I really do hope that you understand that I'm not trying to attack you personally. All that I ask is that we all remain vigilent in giving him some reasonable thoughts on what it could be, and what could be done about it.



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
Before I begin this long rebuttal, I want to make it known that I wasn't trying, and will never try, to directly attack you or your beliefs. I just disagree is all, and am trying to be what most people call the "logical voice".


TheBorg,

Thank you very much for your thoughtful explanatory post and your intention to help out the discussion. I appreciate very much that you took the time on it, and I see your point of view. I do not feel attacked by you and did not mean to sound so defensive in trying so hard to be understood, not just by you, but by others here and anyone I envision reading what I write. Type talk is always subjective.

The situation I am in is a permanent part of my life and everyone in my family's life. That is the way I want it and I am "very willing and proud" to be in this position. My feelings about standing up and being heard on these issues are akin in my psyche to when my children have an educational or medical need. I would not hand my responsibilities to speak up for them to anyone else. Nobody knows "my children" better than I do. The issues of alien life are, in a large way, known to me like my own children. I do not mean to say that I know all- far from it. Just as when I consult with a doctor about medical treatment for a child, I do not claim or pretend to be a doctor. Yet I have no problem being heard in my role. When I am contacted by alien experiencers and professionals to talk about my experiences and what I am taught from alien life, my contribution to them is not science or physic equations, but I am heard for my position of knowledge by experience and communication with the alien races.

What often happens in discussions such as these here, is that the people I am talking with do not really know anything or much themselves, but they have strong opinions. To those who listen and read them, we all sound the same. Even when so many people witness something, most do not have the amount of exposure to alien life or the level of understanding that my husband and I do, but they do not know that and "Why should they?" of course, since so many people are claiming things that everybody might sound the same kind of "wacky" including me. The abundant evidence is invisible or deliberately being used to mislead most of the people. Too many people, including professionals, are building whole assumption systems of belief about and against alien life in general from bits and pieces of popular materials.

I feel like everyone is talking about the members of my own family, and you know how gossip is. The bottom line is that everyone might have something to say and be equally entitled to voice their opinion, but their opinions are not equal, and the people who should be listened to about this are the people who grow up with it and have experienced it personally their whole lives. You may realize that "family members" may be biased but that's ok, it does not mean they are lying, although some may. Most importantly, you have to realize that all the worldwide gossip and those perpetuating it could not possibly know for themselves what they are talking about. They are just repeating the most popular gossip and speaking out of fear from what gossip they have heard. This is just like religions in that if you study the history and beliefs of religions, what you will learn is everything about the people who believe them- how they think and feel, their intelligence and thought patterns and emotions, hopes and aspirations. But if you want to learn about God, you have to ask God. Religion is not God just like the humans alien/ufo field is not the aliens. I am not saying that the aliens are like God! But in humans minds, we behave the same, because both kinds of concepts and arguments between ourselves are the same in that they are beyond what any of us humans can comprehend yet.

Gossip is always scandalous and exciting. The truth is usually too boring to make it all the way around and back again, but a good gory horror is bound to have a life of its own. Everyone agrees that abduction is criminal. Everyone repeats that alien life is abducting people. So when there is any experience or evidence of alien life, that is taken as evidence that the aliens are criminals who are abducting people. That is both prejudiced and untrue assumption. That is my point and what I am defending so mightily.



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 12:31 PM
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Hi everyone,

Much has happened here while I was gone, I'll be responding in kind below. Sorry for the delay, had to attend to family matters for most the day. Which I'm sure you all know, can be rather taxing.

(In order of original posting)

EarthSister,

Good to hear from you again. Real quickly, I just wanted to let you know I went to your site(I think, in your signature) per your request. While I can't say I've seen any of those symbols there, there are some amazing similarities between them, I mean very similar on some.

Very true that I don't recall any horror stories of abduction. But with the markings I have on me, I'm sure that if there is substance to my claims, there will be some form of "medical process" buried in my head somewhere in there. Now that's not to say that it wasn't voluntary, or that they didn't give me a choice. I have a strong feeling in my "gut" as to a possible reason for it, but I'll not say it here at this time. I could message you, to see what you think of it though.

The most fascinating statement made thus far was "Do you think only humans can do God's work?"

I know that wasn't directed at me, but I must say, that yes, unknowingly I did think that. It would be foolish to think such a thing, as life seems to have a certain, duality to it. So if there's good humans, there's evil humans, if there are in fact evil aliens, there are good aliens too.

Profound way of thinking you have there. Most impressive if one really thinks about it.


Now that's not to say that I've ever fully bought into the whole "God" jive, as it's hard to follow any dogma that I've seen shoved in humanity's face since I was a kid. I'm not singling out any one religion here, I mean all of the mainstream stuff, and a lot of the "underground" stuff, is very forceful in it's view of humanity and focus of it's agendas/dogma.

Having said that, I do believe that it's possible for a Ultimate creator[to exsist], a force of pure good and compassion. I think tha'ts very [likely to be] true.

And of course with the above statement, if we are to believe in the concept of a "Great Duality", then there's some pretty bad stuff out there as well, no?

Really want your(everyone's) thoughts on this. Most interesting.

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The Borg,

Hello again. Thanks for clarifying what you meant in the proposed line of questioning. A quick note, the doctor I have as my primary care physician, is in fact not a civilian, he's an old salt (well, with the navy) like myself. I know that really holds no bearing on the issue at hand, but just wanted to point it out.

Anyways, I think I could, hmm how should I say this, "Ask a professional opinion" of a friend or two regarding the markings I have, I also could cite my medical report if they wished to look further into it. So yes I'd say that is feasible.

Now that leads me to my next thought: Would it be wise to make such an approach? I mean, as you know by now, I'm eager to unravel this mystery, but not at the expense of compromising avenues of research. Let me tell you all of a scenario I thought about all day yesterday, after reading TheBorg's clarification.

What if, and remember this is even less concrete than what I've already mentioned, but what if I have been abducted by my very own military, in specific the intelligence community? I know that sounds nuts, and it may be, but it also could be more plausible than alien intervention. Anyone have any thoughts on military abductions, or methods? I'd be interested to hear of them so I can look at this aspect as well.

Of course, that would leave motive. What motive would the military, which I had faithfully served for many years, what motive would they have to mess with me? I cannot see one, I was never involved(knowingly) in any sort of "deep black" projects. Granted I did at times have some controversial work, the majority is insignificant.

As a matter of honor, I won't speak of my work in any detail, but rest assured when I say it was nothing like the outlandish stuff I've seen on here. Having said that, I know that any postulations made by others will be random and chance at best, but you never know. So I thought I'd throw this out there.

Moving on...

Yes, I can understand your fear of waking to *ANY* nighttime intruder in you house or place of resting. I've had such an experience, although much more grounded in reality than our current subject matter. Sparing details, it was a home invasion robbery, but took place in my Motor home some years back. Very "hairy" experience to say the least, and a cause for much reflection at the time.
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Mr. Richard,

Hello again. Quite right regarding your stance. Didn't mean to put you all the way to one camp or another, just had to describe the situation in a rational manner by drawing lines between EarthSister and your philosophies. Sorry if you felt I missed your focus, but I can promise you I haven't.


Absolutely true about the links you've given me, I must note that I've printed reams of stuff out from thoughts fostered by those links. Great stuff, actually it's also worth noting that those links worked in concert to EarthSister's main focus of lookingwithin. Like I said previously, you two may not be in as much opposition as laymen and general readers may first believe. Great stuff, really helpful.



Sisonek,

Hi there, nice to meet you.

Well when I read your post I went at once to my medicine cabinet. I must say I've never heard of melatonin, and so I was intrigued by your most interesting viewpoint. It would seem however, that I have no medications with a direct link to melatonin. I figured I'd list the medications I take with frequency so that you all can look them over and see if they may have melatonin or similar substances with such effects:

Aspirin
Ibuprofen
Centrum Multivitamin

Zyban (anti smoking agent, used it for 3 weeks approx 2 years ago, didn't work for me so discontinued use of it. ) [Worth noting on this one that I later discovered that "Zyban" is in fact a drug called "Wellbutrin" which is an antidepressant, which seems strange to me. Just thought I'd throw that out there in case any reading this are using this anti smoking system "Zyban".]

That's the "usual suspects" which I take, and the zyban stuff which I discontinued usage of.


As far as melatonin goes, I will go and try to find it in a "pure form" at a nutritional supply store, I think I can find it there. I'll see what, if anything it does regarding my dreams. Very interesting to think that it may be an aid in my "recall".

Nice thinking, hope to hear back from you on this stuff.


Now as to the "dream" related questions, I'll take them in order:

1. The sky itself, was pink and green-ish, pink may have been from it being near "sunset" or something but I'm not sure of that at all, but after reflecting on this it would seem like it was "sunset" .

2.There were no clouds like you'd normally think of, but there were patches of "haze" or "mist" I'm unsure what you'd term it.

3. Now this was a interesting question. The ground, well I never actually saw ground, like dirt. If you notice in my first post, I was standing on what appeared to be a large rock formation or hill with a rock jetting out of it. There was green, but not like grass, it was like a dense vine had spread over it, where there were "open spaces" in the "vine" coverage, there was light grey, which my mind interprets as "rock", burt it may have also been soil, but I cannot say it was soil, as my mind reiterates it was "rock".

4. The binary stars were interesting, one was rather large, approximate to our sun's size, the other was about a third it's size, but I feel when thinking on it, that it was just further away. It seems that the bigger one provided the lighting in majority, the other one just was beautiful, but I think it added much less to the lighting of the "planet" I was on.

5. Another great one. The ship didn't seem to have any light coming from it, but it's interesting to not that the back of it had... "slots" I guess you'd say, in reality all I can equate them to would be like giant "afterburners", but they were not actively propelling the vessel when I saw them, but they did have a look of being "heated up" many times before. That is to say, that some energy or reaction was ejected from them before. But I'm not sure really, just an observation that your question brought forth.

6. The primary color of the ship was a brownish color, very much a dull color, like brushed metal. It did have some light grey on it, but it was in the minority, and was part of things that protruded from the object, equipment maybe?

7. The geometry of the craft was fascinating. I vividly notice squares, rectangles, all pieced together, some had depressions in them, which formed ridges, others were flat, but didn't look "smooth" or "glossy", very rough looking, not ugly, not ugly at all. I don't know, maybe made more for function than observance, if that makes sense. Also, and I don't know if this means anything, but there was not a visible curve on the thing.

Also some very neat thought I had about the shapes the craft was made of, although I know this may sound silly: It seemed to me like, modular pieces, like they could be a bunch of small pieces that could be put together to build the structure. I have a strong feeling of this, and also that these pieces where used in many structures. Don't know what the hell that means, just something that is in my head.

Wow, that took awhile of reflection, I must say that was a great exercise, and I've been writing this into my "notes" section of my journal while typing this up. If you have any more questions, please ask 'em, very "therapeutic" in my opinion.


Thanks everyone, I'd never thought I'd find such a gathering of all angles in a constructive manner on any form of public outlet. I am grateful for both the current, and future discussions.




JP

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posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by AnOldWanderer

Very true that I don't recall any horror stories of abduction. But with the markings I have on me, I'm sure that if there is substance to my claims, there will be some form of "medical process" buried in my head somewhere in there. Now that's not to say that it wasn't voluntary, or that they didn't give me a choice. I have a strong feeling in my "gut" as to a possible reason for it, but I'll not say it here at this time. I could message you, to see what you think of it though.


You have my permission to email or message me at any time. My husband and I have had similar incidents to yours and have gone through the process of discovery of their origin and purpose. We have followed through it with those of others close to us also, and we have had long discussions with our alien contacts about these kinds of things. There are many avenues of reasons and to name one or two aloud would sound only leading or naive or fantastic to most people. I suspect that your gut instinct is probably correct to you personally, because you seem to have good gut instinct.


........ as life seems to have a certain, duality to it. So if there's good humans, there's evil humans, if there are in fact evil aliens, there are good aliens too.

And of course with the above statement, if we are to believe in the concept of a "Great Duality", then there's some pretty bad stuff out there as well, no?


To address the word "evil" -- in all my understanding, there is no thing that is evil itself. It is a "concept" and an adjective used to describe the mysterious causes of unfortunate accidents and happenings as well as heinous acts, but popularly given a life of its own. This comes from superstition and dogma, both of which come from the nature of human thought. For instance, before the invention and improvement of the Telescope and Pasture's discovery of the nature of germs, everybody assumed and loyally followed religious leaders to believe that evil demons cause diseases. Those who did not, where punished with torture and jail.
library.thinkquest.org...
We have recently defined more intellectually what mental illnesses are and what they are caused from and by. Yet the nature of our thoughts persist in that if there is good, there must be evil... a good force - then an evil force... a God - then a devil.

Although all intelligent races in the known Universes know spirits (people whose bodies have died), and Angels, and worship the same one God, there is no known similar concept to ours of any "evil force" or any "devil" or an "demons" among any races, primitive or advanced, anywhere else in the entire known Universes. In other words, they are human figments of monsters and bogeymen, used to take the blame for "bad" things we can't understand. Likewise, most often, actual spiritual beings and events, when we glimpse them, we assume to be these figments.

Besides these perspectives, still among humans there are "good and bad" whatever many things cause them. There are extreme criminals and people who do unspeakable things off the charts, and there is also "good and bad" coming out of each one of us depending on what we are taught, life circumstances and even the mood we are in. (There are also the organized crimes of authorities which I will only mention.) If we as people are so diverse among ourselves in how we handle anger and greed and hostility and desire and need and sickness etc etc... and the aliens are only people too, not gods or saints or evil demons, and subjected to their own processes of development from their beginnings too, then they can be "good and bad" too. I know this to be true. But there is evolution and advancement which are essentially filters, and there is also an order and management of laws to the organization of space and all the races of people in it.

Most races are "much" further advanced and evolved than we are yet. Advancing forward takes lots of organization and willingness for all partners to work together toward the same goal. The concept is the same as running a three legged race. If you do not work together peacefully toward the same goal, you are not going anywhere fast, or anywhere at all. Those who get there straightest and fastest are the best. These are the dedicated individual beings of the longest, furthest evolved races who run the organizations of races, and the organizations of organizations of races. Are there problems? YES. But everybody solves them the best ways possible. That is the difference between what we are doing among ourselves on Earth and what our visiting races are doing with each other and us.

We humans have recently excelled with our dynamic intellect and exponential technology, but our spiritual understanding has been stunted and warped by accident and on purpose by the poor partnership among our own kind. The glitch is in our thinking, which manifests itself as roadblocks in our religions and systems of governments. This is why we have been using our advancement to create weapons of mass control and destruction instead of feeding, housing and providing medicine and education for each human on Earth, or welcoming the assistance of our neighboring races.

The few races who abused humans were taking advantage of us out of desperation, because they needed to and because they could. However, the heinous spins on the public reports are exaggeration and propaganda generated by Earth authorities while they tried to force what they wanted from those particular alien races. These problems were well known and never addressed appropriately by our leaders, but have since been solved for us by the organization of our visiting races.



posted on Jun, 19 2004 @ 10:56 PM
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AnOldWanderer:

Neither ibuprofen nor aspirin contain any melatonin, and I checked centrum's labelling and it doesn't contain any either, so it looks like you're not currently taking any w/out knowing it.

There was a pretty big hype about melatonin sometime in the mid-90s as a miracle cure for aging, and as a result you can buy it today in the supermarket vitamin section for pretty reasonable prices as far as these things go; online, for example, if you're spending more than a few dollars at the grocery store per 90mg (however it's divided, ie 90 1mg tabs or 30 3mg tabs or whatever) than you're probably getting ripped off, though i'd be willing to pay a bit extra at vitamin store or health food sort of place just to be sure it's well made.

I'm no doctor so don't take this as medical advice -- standard disclaimer -- but for the dreaming effects to kick in take 1-3mg (opinions vary -- I'd say 3mg is about right for me, and I'm 180lbs 5'11" or so) nightly about an hour or so before you plan on getting in to bed. It takes a day or two usually, but if it works you'll probably know; this isn't one of those things where you'll be wondering later whether or not anything happened, trust me on that count.

I found out about melatonin and the dreaming thing basically by accident: I used to have some pretty serious insomnia and related sleep disorders and heard from a friend of a friend that melatonin sometimes helps with that -- as you'll see in the links below its used to accellerate recovery from jet lag and so forth -- and so I figured "why not give it a try"?

It wasn't a miracle cure but it did help quite a bit and certainly much more than I expected it to -- it's among the few things sold in or near the "herbal remedies" section that actually seems to do anything -- but it also made my dreams remarkably more intense: I went from basically not having any dreams (thanks to weird sleeping problems, etc. disrupting my REM sleep) to having cinematic, richly colored dreams that seemed to go on for days.

The dreams were more weird than anything else. In the one I remember best I was something out of a Bela Lugosi flick with me a vampire underground sending my minions out to spy, and one of them going along a long winding road up to a huge stone castle while lightning flashed everywhere, and inside the castle Arnold Schwarzenegger and Dr. Frankenstein were arguing loudly over how best to reanimate some kind of army of the dead by injecting salt into their veins, and it goes on from there...

After a couple weeks of super-intense dreams I went online and sure enough it seems a lot of people who start taking melatonin for whatever reason start reporting having much more vivid dreams for awhile, although the increase in intensity tones down substantially after a couple months or so. Since that time a lot of friends of mine have reported similar experiences so it seems like a common enough reaction that it might be worth taking a try; the old internet survey i linked to below is obviously not the most reliable survey in the world but it says some 88% of respondants report more intense dreams and 56% report increased remembrance on waking up.

If you'd like to read more about melatonin, here's a few links:

An excerpt on melatonin lifted from "Smart Drugs II" that gives an explanation -- albeit a bit breathless and hypey -- as to why people take it:

www.ceri.com...

A more skeptical take from the National Sleep Foundation:

www.sleepfoundation.org...

An old internet survey on melatonin and its effect on dreams:

www.charm.net...

And, about.com has a page with a lot more links if you're interested:

sleepdisorders.about.com...

My take is that it might be helpful at getting to the bottom of the dreams one way or another, and if not then you're not really out much more than a few dollars. Thanks for answering the questions about the dream -- it seems that people tend to remember details pretty well but not remember that they remember them, so I figured I'd ask for some specifics and hope for the best. My line of reasoning in picking questions was basically "ok, if I were to draw this scene how would I draw it?" and the details needed follow pretty quickly from there: sky, "ground", etc...

Since as described the "spaceship" dream seems like one long scene I'm not sure what else to ask about it at this point -- I can sort of imagine the basic picture now. I'd be curious to know some of these, though:

what gave you the sense that the ship was made of modular parts? do you remember it in enough detail to apply some of your pattern-finding skills from your intel days to make some guesses? what about its underbelly? in other words, when it flew by did you see more of its back and sides, its front or its underbelley, and was there any variation between the various sides.

the vine on the ground -- can you remember what it looked like in enough detail to comment on it more? as in, about how thick were the individual vines / strands of vine, what sort of texture did they have, how were they organized? overlapping, neat and orderly, running over each other every which way?

my thinking here is basically as follows: let's assume for the moment a "worst case" scenario in that you're being abducted -- or at least contacted -- by alien entities of unkown origin and then given information of some kind by way of these dreams. assuming that to be the case for the time being the "spaceship" dream may be a glimpse of one of their worlds -- possibly their homeworld -- and if that's the case we might be able to learn something from it. in this case, we have a binary star system with a red and a white star, which narrows down the list of local candidates quite a bit, and someone with more chemical knowledge than me could speculate what kinds of atmospheres would tint green. if any of the possible answers to these questions -- nearby binary stars meeting your descriptions and atmosphere types that tint green -- cross-checks with stuff often reported then that's interesting; if not, it's not a big deal, as even assuming our worst-case scenario they could just as easily be feeding you misinformation, and it's really an open question as to how likely the worst case scenario is. continuing with the worst case scenario for a second, though, the vines are interesting -- what's alien foliage look like?

as for the other dreams - what kind of things about the moon were they saying? i'm asking that because the moon doesn't usually show up in ecological warnings -- we've mostly managed to avoid polluting the moon so far -- so i'm curious what they were saying about it.

the ecological warnings - were they specific or general, and if specific do you remember any details? specific concerns or timeframes?

thanks again for answering the earlier questions. if other dreams come back to you i'd be happy to ask more of the same sorts of questions. i'm a long time lurker / guest on the forums and new member, and this thread has probably been so far the most interesting i've seen.



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 02:05 AM
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Here's my opinion and I'm sure there's those out there just waiting for their chance to jump on me for it so have at when I'm finished.

First of all EarthSister, in my opinion, is a fraud. In my opinion she's created a cliched comic book story with a supporting cast and now her and her husband are using it to exploit those in the UFO community by mixing it with their own brand of new age channeling. Why would I think that? Ask her why she's chosing to create merchandise from this Galactic Federation and she'll claim that she can't very well make jewelry and books and hand them out for free...
...though she never acknowledges free downloadable e-books nor does she have any good reasoning for wanting to create Jewelry. Go to her site, right click on a picture of an alien and what pops up? A COPYRIGHT NOTICE. She's copyrighted this supposedly real galactic federation and aliens! Interesting.

I'm an indie comic book publisher and writer and I can tell you, the only time you copyright or trademark something is when you plan to make money and nothing else. There's no other reason. These are creations that she planned from the start to make money from. It's pathetic.


Paul_Richard, you should be a bit more clear on your tasks as a "hypnotherapist". You claimed your job is to inform as much as possible on this topic which is completely incorrect when dealing with hypnotherapy. You know that. You're an impartial researcher at best trained to lead people then regress them for the information you previously offered them. You've truly offered none of your own findings or solid research just alot of unscientific speculation as declaration and references to other REAL regression therapists and their research. I honestly can't for the life of me understand why you'd claim it's your job to inform people. Whats the name of your offices and where are they located at? I'd love to find out a bit more about your business.

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posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by AnOldWanderer

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The Borg,

Hello again. Thanks for clarifying what you meant in the proposed line of questioning. A quick note, the doctor I have as my primary care physician, is in fact not a civilian, he's an old salt (well, with the navy) like myself. I know that really holds no bearing on the issue at hand, but just wanted to point it out.

Anyways, I think I could, hmm how should I say this, "Ask a professional opinion" of a friend or two regarding the markings I have, I also could cite my medical report if they wished to look further into it. So yes I'd say that is feasible.

Now that leads me to my next thought: Would it be wise to make such an approach? I mean, as you know by now, I'm eager to unravel this mystery, but not at the expense of compromising avenues of research. Let me tell you all of a scenario I thought about all day yesterday, after reading TheBorg's clarification.

What if, and remember this is even less concrete than what I've already mentioned, but what if I have been abducted by my very own military, in specific the intelligence community? I know that sounds nuts, and it may be, but it also could be more plausible than alien intervention. Anyone have any thoughts on military abductions, or methods? I'd be interested to hear of them so I can look at this aspect as well.

Of course, that would leave motive. What motive would the military, which I had faithfully served for many years, what motive would they have to mess with me? I cannot see one, I was never involved(knowingly) in any sort of "deep black" projects. Granted I did at times have some controversial work, the majority is insignificant.

As a matter of honor, I won't speak of my work in any detail, but rest assured when I say it was nothing like the outlandish stuff I've seen on here. Having said that, I know that any postulations made by others will be random and chance at best, but you never know. So I thought I'd throw this out there.

Moving on...

Yes, I can understand your fear of waking to *ANY* nighttime intruder in you house or place of resting. I've had such an experience, although much more grounded in reality than our current subject matter. Sparing details, it was a home invasion robbery, but took place in my Motor home some years back. Very "hairy" experience to say the least, and a cause for much reflection at the time.
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Yeah, I would ask them their opinions at least on this issue, as they might be able to shed some light on the cause.

And I need to say that I NEVER even thought about the military being the ones doing the abductions.. That's GENUIS!! GENUIS I say!! I can even see how they could get away with it. They have all of your info on file, readily available to them at ANY time. They know all of your allergies, medical conditions, etc. It would make it VERY easy for them to stage a kidnapping of you, since we all know they practice this stuff. SEAL teams, we all know are trained for that exact thing; enter hostile territory, secure a target, and escort them back to base.

As for the reasons why your own military would do such a thing is not known to me. I do know though that they have done this kind of thing before, and what I mean by that is the kidnapping people bit. Not sure on the memory stuff though. I suppose they could just as easily erase memory using some new designer drug, and then replace it with something else, possibly a staged alien encounter, to give you those preconcieved notions. Just a thought.


Oh, and did ya kick the crap out of the intruder?



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 03:57 AM
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Here are my abduction experiances
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Let me speculate into this MILITARY idea in relation to what I've experianced.

MOTIVE
Both my grandfathers were in the military.. could they have been part of an experiment even they didn't know about.. that would cause the military to want to check up on their offspring?

SIGHTINGS
Unexplained
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LOST TIME
So this would be attributed to kidnapping by the military when I was young and on a regular basis at that, despite a few adult occurances.

I lived in a large apartment complex and slept on the second floor.. I couldn't possibly imagine how they might manage that and never be seen.

I will concede that the missing time as a child and even as an adult could maybe have a natural cause.. but it is a trait shared by many abductees.. so really there is a 50/50 chance either is assumption is correct
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ABDUCTIONS
1. THe experiance that was more "out of body" could have been a dream.. So we'll discount it.

2. Both myself and one of my grandfather experianced the same thing in the same time period. It involved a sharing of technical information with both he and I.

I can not at all recall what this abductors looked like.. they always seem to be behind me. ... Maybe that is because they were human and wanted me to believe they were not.
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REASON/MOTIVE revisited
What possible reason would they have for sharing technical information....

To test the reaction of a normal person to a radical new theory

To test the IQ of the individual (maybe genetic engineering was involved)

The sharing of the tech info could be part of the memory plant/deception of alien involvement.. and the reason for the abduction is entirely up to debate.
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Lastly both myself and my granfather at the time of the abduction lived in areas where an abduction might actualy be plausable using military methods and not alien tech or wierd science.

So besides there being no real explanation for all those UFO sightings.. because I'm telling the little tricks of gravity they pulled off were nothing short of astounding...

I have actualy made a very believable case of possible abduction by the military and not by aliens.

Hmmmm



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 07:37 AM
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Sinobyte,

I received my hypnotherapy training from an outfit called Trident, located in Woodbridge, Virginia, in 1994. All of my counseling with abductees and those that have suffered from discarnate demonic attack has been in an unofficial capacity and without taking a fee. Some people I would counsel in person and some I would help over the Net. My experience as a spiritual medium has expanded, not hindered, my understanding on these and related issues.

I have no official "job" to inform the public. I simply have chosen to help people as much as I can with the time and energy that is available to me. No paycheck is received from doing this and I have no book deal in the works. My "business" is in serving others.

The general conclusion of self-serving and imperialistic Zetan-alien malevolence, is drawn from many researchers. I suggest you read the works of:

Budd Hopkins

Dr. David M. Jacobs

Dr. John Mack

Additionally, there is a well known hypnotherapist out of California named Donna Higbee and she also presents an excellent case.

Needless to say, you don't have to take my word for it.

[edit on 20-6-2004 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 07:59 AM
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Hi JP,

If you recall, I mentioned that you would handle the situation the same way even if you were kidnapped and brainwashed by the government. I see that you then considered the possibility that the military might be involved.

I would like to point out that there are abductee reports of being taken to underground military installations and that they would see uniformed US soldiers working alongside Zetan-Grey aliens.

Secondly, you mentioned a memory about seeing two suns in the sky. Various governmental insiders, like Bob Lazar and Sgt. Clifford Stone for example, have reported that high level gov't. briefings routinely teach that the aliens are based in the Zeta 2 Reticuli System -- which is a BINARY STAR SYSTEM. This bit of significant information is further corroborated by the research of a physicist by the name of Marjorie Fish in analyzing the starmap drawing of Betty Hill in the famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction case in the 1960s.

From the perspective of those on Zeta IV, they would see a sky with two suns.



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posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Sinobyte

First of all EarthSister, in my opinion, is a fraud.


You can't believe that what I do is real or true, and I honestly and most respectfully, understand your point of view. Once you deduce that I must be a fraud, you then go fishing for some way to back up your bogus opinion. All you can come up with is this:


In my opinion she's created a cliched comic book story with a supporting cast and now her and her husband are using it to exploit those in the UFO community by mixing it with their own brand of new age channeling.


I repeat: I don't channel. And isn't it YOU who creates comic books? Imagine that.


Why would I think that? Ask her why she's chosing to create merchandise from this Galactic Federation and she'll claim that she can't very well make jewelry and books and hand them out for free...
...though she never acknowledges free downloadable e-books nor does she have any good reasoning for wanting to create Jewelry.


My jewelry is incredibly beautiful and I absolutely love making it. I have never sold a single piece, although I had hoped to. I found that trying to do that was giving ugly, contemptible people an excuse to attack me. Isn't that funny? I give it away to my best friends instead. No, you can't have any.

No, you can't have my books for free either. If you are destitute, you will have to try to work something out with the publishing company. But if there is anything you would like to talk to me about my alien contacts or my experiences with them, just ask me. No charge.

BTW, I see you are going back over all my old posts here. Some do that because they are interested in what I do and want to learn more, and some do it to find something to attack me with.


Go to her site, right click on a picture of an alien and what pops up? A COPYRIGHT NOTICE. She's copyrighted this supposedly real galactic federation and aliens! Interesting.


When you clicked on that, were you trying to steal something? Maybe to claim as your own work? Maybe to use it to create a wild ufo abduction fantasy for your comic books with my images and my alien contacts names? Or maybe to claim as your own experience? Why don't you go draw your own pictures?


I'm an indie comic book publisher and writer and I can tell you, the only time you copyright or trademark something is when you plan to make money and nothing else. There's no other reason. These are creations that she planned from the start to make money from. It's pathetic.


Show me the money, Honey! I have been continuously sharing information through public and private avenues for 14 years, including radio, television, newspapers, public seminars, private talks to hypnotist groups, spiritual groups, experiencer groups, private meetings with scientists and investigators, and with individual alien experiencers. I do not charge or accept any payment for media or talks. My livelihood comes from my cleaning businesses.

I repeat: I don't channel, but I do show alien experiencers how to communicate with their own alien contacts and I encourage them to listen to them, instead of to the people who call them delusional and frauds.

I hope you have never copyrighted any of your own work. I hope you are giving it away unprotected, or else that makes you a hypocrite.

You do not know anything about alien life or about me or about what I do. You however, telegraph exactly, the only reason, why you are here with that name of yours. If you want to participate in a good fight, why don't you stick to a subject you know something about? Why randomly go around insulting people who know about things that you don't? You are here because you think the alien/ufo subject is a good one to take potshots at people in. You are here because you like to "pick on weirdos."

I know your kind. And you call what I do pathetic. Well, my opinion about your opinion is that, around here, it is nothing at all.

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[edit on 20-6-2004 by EarthSister]



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 03:12 PM
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UnusualMe,

In reading about your abduction experiences, the missing time and related, it does indeed point to you having been kidnapped on a number of occasions. You have reasoned through the situation and have sound conclusions.

As far as nabbing someone on the second floor without being seen, that is really not a big hurdle for them. When I say "them" it could also possibly be the government but I generally think that it is Zetan-aliens. First they knock out everyone in the vicinity by projecting paralysis beams through all the windows that do not have the shades drawn. They then pick the locks and enter the home unseen. Meanwhile, their spacecraft remains cloaked outside. To top it off they might add a screen memory or inject a drug memory blocker to erase any possible recollection of seeing an intense white light in the home prior to blacking out. Voila! You have a classic Zetan abduction scenario.

There was a close relative of mine that was almost nabbed on the second floor in the winter time, late at night. They manifested the paralysis beam through the second story bathroom window. In complete silence outside, the white light was much brighter than that of a police helicopter searchlight and it completely illuminated not only the bathroom but also the adjoining master bedroom. Fortunately, she knew from our talks not to let herself come into contact with that light or she would become paralyzed, so she avoided it completely and was not abducted. The light went away, she checked for missing time and there wasn't any, and she eventually went back to bed.

Zetan-aliens won't enter a home or a vehicle unless they know the intended are either paralyzed or knocked out.




posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by EarthSister
You can't believe that what I do is real or true, and I honestly and most respectfully, understand your point of view. Once you deduce that I must be a fraud, you then go fishing for some way to back up your bogus opinion.

I don't have to go fishing for anything it's obvious you plan to make money off of this information of cosmic importance and that speaks for itself. No need for a "bogus" opinion when it's all right there.


Originally posted by EarthSister
I repeat: I don't channel. And isn't it YOU who creates comic books? Imagine that.

.....that's right you don't. You husband does, you simply perpetrate the fraud. I do create comic books which is how I can spot such a horribly cliched and poorly created storyline such as yours. I have people bring me ideas like yours all the time. The only difference is they openly admit they want to make money off of their fiction, you lie and claim yours isn't..


Originally posted by EarthSister
My jewelry is incredibly beautiful and I absolutely love making it. I have never sold a single piece, although I had hoped to. I found that trying to do that was giving ugly, contemptible people an excuse to attack me. Isn't that funny? I give it away to my best friends instead. No, you can't have any.

I don't doubt your jewelry and it's beauty, I doubt your scruples. Trying to sell jewelry created from what you claim is a real, history changing experience is contemptible itself. That's like me running around telling people I know who the Antichrist is and when the worlds ending then taking a year or two to write a book and make t-shirts and bank off of this life changing info.

As for wanting some of your jewelry, if I want new age costume jewelry I'll hit a new age website, thanks anyway.



Originally posted by EarthSister
No, you can't have my books for free either. If you are destitute, you will have to try to work something out with the publishing company. But if there is anything you would like to talk to me about my alien contacts or my experiences with them, just ask me. No charge.

I don't want your books, nice try. If I wanted poorly veiled fiction written as nonfiction there's always Barnes & Noble.
I'm far from destitute, which is more than I can say for you morally. You're writing books to make money from this super spiritual, history changing event instead of offering the information free to the world through the wonders of free internet distribution. It's obvious you and your husband fabricated all of this information and every time you try and beat around the bush regarding WHY you plan to make this merchandise to sell instead of offering this information for free just proves my point more and more.


Originally posted by EarthSister
When you clicked on that, were you trying to steal something? Maybe to claim as your own work? Maybe to use it to create a wild ufo abduction fantasy for your comic books with my images and my alien contacts names? Or maybe to claim as your own experience? Why don't you go draw your own pictures?

I actually right clicked on your pictures a few months ago in order to file send it to the original creator of the comic character zen in order to point out your copyright infringement and your obvious rip off. I certainly have no interest in laying claim to your silly immature fabrications, nice try once again. I have an imagination as well so I really don't need the help of some middle aged, laundromat owners who peddle their new age lies to the UFO community. I don't create comics based on cliched UFO channeling tripe like yours nor do my comics have anything to do with ancient one aliens and whatever other bull# you and your husband plagarized from different sci-fi sources. BTW, your beating around the bush again...you haven't confronted my accusations regarding the copyrighting of this material for monetary gain.


Originally posted by EarthSister
Show me the money, Honey!

Thanks but no thanks, I'll avoid your weak pissing contest attempts.


Originally posted by EarthSister
I repeat: I don't channel, but I do show alien experiencers how to communicate with their own alien contacts and I encourage them to listen to them, instead of to the people who call them delusional and frauds.

It's called, channeling. You're just trying to spin it a different way. You're speaking in convoluted circles in order to avoid the label but it is what it is.


Originally posted by EarthSister
I hope you have never copyrighted any of your own work. I hope you are giving it away unprotected, or else that makes you a hypocrite.

You do not know anything about alien life or about me or about what I do. You however, telegraph exactly, the only reason, why you are here with that name of yours. If you want to participate in a good fight, why don't you stick to a subject you know something about? Why randomly go around insulting people who know about things that you don't? You are here because you think the alien/ufo subject is a good one to take potshots at people in. You are here because you like to "pick on weirdos."

I know your kind. And you call what I do pathetic. Well, my opinion about your opinion is that, around here, it is nothing at all.

I'm a creator, therefore I copyright in order to make money off of my creations. What's your excuse? I'm not a hypocrite because my stories are admittedly fictional, I don't pretend they're real like you. I don't pretend it's life changing like you. Therefore, I plan to make money off of it. What's your excuse?

I don't care to know anything about "alien life" because I'd know just as much as you do which is zero. I have no desire to know you or what you do...I just call it like I see it. You're a fraud, you claim to possess truth and yet you charge for it. That's called, greed.

In the words of the immature EarthSister, you don't know me. You only know my opinions and whether you like them or not I still speak them you fraud. Now the mods may not agree with what I'm saying nor may everybody else on this forum but I'm not the deluded one here. You try everything in your power to claim what you espouse is the truth and then you avoid the questions of why you sell this "truth". You make a mockery of the UFO community by your lies and your denial of the truth...that truth is that you have no real truth, just what you and your husband created on your free time between cleaning lint traps.


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posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Sinobyte,

I received my hypnotherapy training from an outfit called Trident, located in Woodbridge, Virginia, in 1994. All of my counseling with abductees and those that have suffered from discarnate demonic attack has been in an unofficial capacity and without taking a fee. Some people I would counsel in person and some I would help over the Net. My experience as a spiritual medium has expanded, not hindered, my understanding on these and related issues.

I have no official "job" to inform the public. I simply have chosen to help people as much as I can with the time and energy that is available to me. No paycheck is received from doing this and I have no book deal in the works. My "business" is in serving others.

The general conclusion of self-serving and imperialistic Zetan-alien malevolence, is drawn from many researchers. I suggest you read the works of:

Budd Hopkins

Dr. David M. Jacobs

Dr. John Mack

Additionally, there is a well known hypnotherapist out of California named Donna Higbee and she also presents an excellent case.

Needless to say, you don't have to take my word for it.

[edit on 20-6-2004 by Paul_Richard]

Once again, you present none of your own "research" and you continue to point at the research and accomplishment of other REAL regression therapists. Why?

It's obvious you are not a certified hypnotherapist and with the way you're spouting off about the "zetans" it's obvious you aren't a very unbiased amateur hypnotherapist. I'm not trying to attack you by saying this but it was your type that started the whole "satanic abuse scare" with the "hypnotic confessions" of abuse and sexual depravity by "satanists". I do applaud you for claiming (and probably believing) you're helping others but if this is the kind of crap you "talk" to your abductees about...you're unethical.

Don't you agree that leading is unethical? I know you can't possibly be a certified hypnotherapist nor a certified counselor so my question is...do you know what leading even is and if you do...how do you lead a patient or potential patient?



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