David Icke…..Ufology’s Worst Ambassador

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[edit on 9-7-2010 by zaiger]

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Heavy business commitments have not allowed to me to spend much time on this thread during the past several days. I am hoping I get more time to do so during the next few days.

So.....to continue.....

The article I will refer to in this post is long & detailed & the info is relevant & pertinent.

Therefore, for convenience in view of the limited reading time & even sometimes the unwillingness of people to read material properly, I have provided:

- The introduction

- Some of the more pertinent comments & the link to the full article

- Context as per the full article

This article, combined with more material I will post will further illustrate the point of my thread.

That is to say.....

"Icke is dangerous to the gullible people he cons, the mentally disturbed people whose fantasies he reinforces & the people he attacks.

Then by association, Icke also damages the credibility of Ufology more broadly"

David Icke And The Politics Of Madness - Where The New Age Meets The Third Reich!

By Will Offley

“On the face of it, few people would credit a retired soccer player who rants about a world takeover by blood-drinking lizards from outer space as being much of a threat to democracy. And as a general rule, they would probably be right.”

“David Icke, however, is an exception to that rule.”

Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory, alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of "The Elite." He openly endorsed “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler's notion of a global Jewish conspiracy."

“Its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed.....”

“I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....”

“He began to flirt explicitly with Holocaust denial.....”

“Denounced the Nuremberg Trials as "a farce" and "a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation....."

“Icke's politics today are a mishmash of most of the dominant themes of contemporary neofascism, mixed in with a smattering of topics culled from the U.S. militia movement.....”

“accuses the U.S. government of carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing and murdering 168 men, women and children.....”

“For a decade Icke has exhibited signs of serious mental instability.....”

“Became aware of "a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not.....”

“If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall....."

“A voice in my head began to say: Come to me, come to me, come to me.... “

“It was then I heard the third voice in my head.....”

“Icke's writings have become so paranoid and so extreme.....”

“Icke is now arguing in all seriousness that the Illuminati plot to take over the world is actually being carried out by a race of extraterrestrial reptiles in human form.....”

“They are described, literally, as being child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshippers capable of changing their shape, whose ranks include George Bush, Bill and Hilary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson, among others.....”

“David Icke is not alone. He is a small industry in a large and lucrative market.....”

“He has several web sites, an e-magazine, his own publishing house, and at least 9 books and 4 videotapes to his credit.....”

“He is constantly on the road, touring North America, Europe, Australia, South Africa, the Pyramids, and elsewhere.....”

“He had 1,000 people out to hear him at his last gig in Vancouver.....”

“$67 to attend a lecture, forty to fifty dollars for videotapes - that generates a sizeable income for Icke and his message of conspiracism, fear and hate.....”

“Icke has developed an international network of people who work with him and for him.....”

“They also show clearly why David Icke is a dangerous man, because they underscore his politics in an unmistakable way.....”

“His danger comes from his alliances as well as his politics......”

“It's the far right who handle this man, who package and promote and present his message across Canada and around the world.....take Joseph Duggan......”

“Duggan is the proprietor of Strong Eagles Productions, the company organizing Icke's current Vancouver speaking engagement......Duggan makes his living in part from organizing B.C. speaking engagements for a string of conspiracy theorists and famous personalities of the extreme right. In March 1997, Duggan's column referred extensively to the book "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" by American writer Richard K. Hoskins - "a virulent anti-Semite who is a leading ideologue of the Christian Identity movement" When Aryan Nations member Buford Furrow was arrested in Los Angeles last August after shooting and wounding five people at a Jewish community centre and murdering a Filipino postal worker, police found a copy of "War Cycles, Peace Cycles" in his car.....”

“Icke's books and videos are also distributed by an organization in Salmon Arm, B.C. called The Preferred Network. The Preferred Network's web site advertises at least four of Icke's books and the same number of videotapes, as well as an extensive selection of U.S. and Canadian conspiracy materials covering the traditional themes particular to the far right: the government coverup of the Oklahoma City bombing, "The 10 Secrets Revenue Canada Doesn't Want You To Know", "Humanity's Extraterrestrial Origins", the AIDS coverup, the Ebola coverup, the Lockerbie coverup, the PanAm 800 coverup, "Satanism And The CIA", and Kari Simpson's expose of the gay agenda in B.C. schools.....”

“Wes Mann, organizer of the Preferred Network......was handing out flyers for conspiracy advocates David Icke..... carries several dozen books and tapes promoting..... UFO tales and so on. But much of the catalog consists of materials promoting right-wing militias and right-wing conspiracy theories, and books by notorious fascists and antisemites such as Eustace Mullins.....”

“Icke's associations with the extreme right are not confined to Canada, nor are they only a recent phenomenon.....”

“One of the most ominous instances of this was documented in an article in the London Evening Standard concerning Icke's 1995 speaking tour of Britain to promote his newest book, The Robot's Rebellion.....”

“Mark Honigsbaum reported that "what worries the Jewish community most is that Icke's veiled anti-Semitic references are now attracting the attention of more sinister British forces, in particular Combat 18, the neo-Nazi group which recruits among football's violent hooligan fringe.....”

“Combat 18 has taken to publicizing Icke's current tour in its internal journal, Putsch.....”

“C18 was for much of the 90's the most important and the most violent organization in the British neo-Nazi movement, with a number of murders to its credit. C18 has now fallen on hard times. Its main leader, Charlie Sargent, is serving a life term for the first degree murder.....”

“None of this prevented C18 from carrying out two bombings in black and Bangladeshi neighbourhoods in London last summer, or of being suspected in the bombing of a gay pub that killed two and sent 60 people to hospital..... Such are David Icke's friends and associates.

“The fact is that some of what Icke says has a resonance in left wing quarters.....”

“It's long overdue .....to start looking more closely at Icke and his friends......”

“The advocates of Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism will seldom if ever reveal their real agenda. They prefer to work in the shadows, using coded language, building patiently for a new and improved Reich. The threat they pose is no less real simply because it doesn't register on the radar screen. Yet.”

www.publiceye.org...

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not


[edit on 9-7-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

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To further illustrate the absurdities of D.Icke.

In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?

From "...and the truth shall set you free" p 133

Hmm, so D.Icke isn't anti-semitic it's just that the Jews are out to get him.

mor on |ˈmôrˌän|

noun informal
a stupid person.

DERIVATIVES
mor on ic |məˈränik; mô-| adjective
mo ron i cal ly |məˈränik(ə)lē; mô-| adverb

ORIGIN early 20th cent. (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8–12): from Greek mōron, neuter of mōros ‘foolish´.

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reply to post by cripmeister

Hmm, so D.Icke isn't anti-semetic it's just that the Jews are out to get him.

Ehm, that's not what your post was saying.

Apperently he is being discredited by being associated with an extreme right group.

Where does it say that "Jews are out to get him"?

reply to post by Point of No Return

Apperently he is being discredited by being associated with an extreme right group.

And who, according to D.Icke, is attempting to discredit him?

Israeli intelligence (Mossad) and they are Jewish.

reply to post by cripmeister


Why keep claiming that he's anti-semetic when he clearly distances himself from such groups?

reply to post by Point of No Return

Why keep claiming that he's anti-semetic when he clearly distances himself from such groups?

Well he tries to distance himself from neo-nazis by blaming the Jews...

reply to post by cripmeister


No, he says the Mossad is behind the discrediting, the Mossad represents Israel, not semitism.

reply to post by Point of No Return

No, he says the Mossad is behind the discrediting, the Mossad represents Israel, not semitism.

Actually he blames the Anti Defamation League, a Jewish organization that works on behalf of the Jews around the world.

Originally posted by cripmeister

No, he says the Mossad is behind the discrediting, the Mossad represents Israel, not semitism.

Actually he blames the Anti Defamation League, a Jewish organization that works on behalf of the Jews around the world.

Point of No Return would have a point, if it were not also for Icke...

...repacking old libels against Jews...

...flirting with Holocaust-revisionism...

...promoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...

And so forth. Simply blaming the Mossad for his troubles is not itself anti-Semitic (though one would have to question why he picked the Mossad out of all the other intelligence networks...) but combined with other behaviors and incidents, it forms an obvious pattern.

Close examination of Mr. Icke's claims, and similar NWO conspiracies, reveals an ugly undercurrent. Despite modern society's intolerance for ethnic bigotry, anti-Semitism has found a place in these beliefs. Not only are old libels repackaged but Israel seems to play a disproportionate role in the beliefs.

Proponents will attempt to justify these prejudices with excuses such as they are just anti-Zionists or that they don't hate all Jews, just certain Jews. However, by exchanging Jews for another ethnicity will show any objective mind the fallacy of this thinking. For example, if one were to make similar claims about African-Americans, saying that a group that hated other Blacks helped perpetuate KKK and Apartheid in South Africa, that the Kenyan intelligence service along with the NAACP was trying to discredit them, that person would rightly be called a racist. Or if they said that a group of American Indians conspired with first Europeans then the United States to cause the near extinction of other Indians and they were against American Indian self-determination, they would rightly be called racist.

Did David Icke ferret out Satanic roots from History regarding the Elite. Answer is YES

Did David Icke ferret out child abuse in this same sect? The answer is YES

FailedMessiah.com: Crime, etc.

Did David Icke get carried away with Sitchin's work? YES

There is no empirical evidence of reptilians.

Is David Icke a detriment to UFOlogy? I don't know.

Sabateans, Rothschilds & Zionism

"According to Shabbatai Tzevi, the “messianic days of the redemption were upon us” and when this era arrived, “god” of the Sabbateans would permit everything. All the prohibitions by the God of Israel in the Torah would be rescinded in the new messianic era. In the Ten Commandments, it said, “Do not kill” but when the messiah comes, they were permitted to “Kill”. These same 10 commands also said, “Do not commit adultery” yet in when the messiah comes, it was said that “you may commit adultery”. These same commandments said, “Remember the Seventh Day (Seventh-day Sabbath Shabbat) to keep it holy”, yet when the messiah comes, any day you wish to worship could be your holy day. It was also the “Chief Blessing” of the followers of the false Jewish messiah, Shabbatai Tzevi, called Sabbateans, when they said, “Blessed is he who permits the forbidden”. This was their most profound blessing and it swept over half of the Jewish people in Europe within its clutches."

Sabbateans and Shabtai Tzvi
Turkey and Shabtai Tzvi
Jacob Frank, Sabbatean leader
Jacob Frank's move to Germany

In 1786, Frankfurt was the headquarters of one Adam Weishaupt. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit who founded the Illuminati. The ‘reason de etra’ [goal]
of the Illuminati was to roll back the Protestant Reformation and return things to the good old days, where you had one pope overseeing all religions throughout the planet. That is what the Illuminati was all about – getting people to abandon their religion and turning back to Rome – no matter what was in Rome. That was what the Jesuits – the Jesuit movement and the Illuminati were doing.

The merging of the Illuminati, Sabbateans, and the Freemasons
Illuminati discovered and the change of plans
Sabbateans, the Rothchilds, and America
Sabbateans, Rothchilds and the founding of the CFR
Sabbateans and Zionism
Herzl, Zionist leader, used
Weizmann, the 'Young Turks' and the 'Transfer Agreement'

littleguyintheeye.wordpress.com...


Rabbi Marvin Antelman who as the Chief Justice of the Jewish Supreme Court in the United States, ex-communicated Henry Kissinger from Judaism in the 1974 Rabbinic Council for his ties with the Council on Foreign Relationship and as the United States Secretary of State sought to destroy Israel during the Yom Kippur War of 1976 and to this day, Rabbi Antelman continues to expose the criminal activities of these Jewish Sabbateans.
It was Rabbi Antelman, who has been the most profound voice exposing the satanic roots of the Jewish Sabbateans. With great deliberation, he exposed the insidious evil that the Sabbateans were committing to destroy the orthodox Jewish people all around the world

Exposing criminal Jewish Sabbateans !

"The Sabbateans, followers of a false messiah, named Shabtai Tzvi Please refer to Antelman 'To Eliminate the Opiate' who was a Rabbi who excumunicated Henry Kissinger in 1974, for his (Kissinger's)ties to the CFR and his attempt to destroy Israel in the Yom Kippur War.

* Rabbi Antelman relates an astounding history of subversion of the Jewish faith begun in central Europe in the late eighteenth century and metastasized to the United States about the middle of the nineteenth century.
The subversion of Judaism was carried out by a Satanically-inspired cult of nominal Jews known as the Frankists, headed by one Jacob Frank (1726-1791). This cult professed to believe that salvation could be obtained either through purity or through sin. They chose the latter, indulging in (among other things) sexual orgies. The Frankists were admonished to appear to be other than what they really were, some pretending to become Christians and others Moslems, but the great majority pretended to be religious Jews. The latter, to quote Rabbi Antelman, "integrated themselves into the Jewish community. Despite the fact that they were all outwardly religious, they still cherished as their goal 'the annihilation of every religion and positive system of belief'." They concentrated their membership among the intellectual, social, and financial elite of the Jewish community."

www.reformed-theology.org...

"To quote Rabbi Antelman, "integrated themselves into the Jewish community. Despite the fact that they were all outwardly religious, they still cherished as their goal 'the annihilation of every religion and positive system of belief'." They concentrated their membership among the intellectual, social, and financial elite of the Jewish community
'Shabtai Tzvi's religion ' was the opposite of Torah and Talmud, that his movement promulgated."

"The difference between Rabow and Rabbi Antelman is the latter proves that literally all of FDR's court Jews were German-descended Sabbataians, determined to purge Jewry of its unnecessary European, non-Sabbataian morality-believing cohorts. Here is a short list of these Jewish community leaders:

Felix Brandeis - Received Secondary School education in Germany. There, Englishman Jacob de Haas introduced him to Zionism.
Henry Morgenthau Jr., Stephen Wise, Bernard Baruch, Judah Magnes, Felix Warburg - All descended from German Jews. Here is a telling quote from the latter Frankist family:

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether
World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the
United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg ("Angel" to and active in the
United World Federalists), son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through James' brother Max, banker to the German government."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

jwa.org...

www.nkusa.org...


A Jewish lady from Israel addresses David Icke





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reply to post by DoomsdayRex


The Mossad sure, they are Israeli intelligence. But what about the Anti Defamation League? Is it okay to accuse the ADL of running Combat 18 because they are "supposedly" connected to the Mossad? To me this is merely disguised Anti-Semitism, it's basically saying that Neo-Nazism is just an illusion promoted by the Jews.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

Proponents will attempt to justify these prejudices with excuses such as they are just anti-Zionists or that they don't hate all Jews, just certain Jews. However, by exchanging Jews for another ethnicity will show any objective mind the fallacy of this thinking. For example, if one were to make similar claims about African-Americans, saying that a group that hated other Blacks helped perpetuate KKK and Apartheid in South Africa, that the Kenyan intelligence service along with the NAACP was trying to discredit them, that person would rightly be called a racist.

OMG i just figured it out.
JAZ= Jews against Zionisim
NAACP= National Assoc for the Advancement of Colored People
So it must be the
JAACP, which is the Jews Against the Advancement of Colored people
aw crap...
If dave finds out about this he will probably write a book about it.

I do NOT believe the OP's title regarding David Icke is appropriate, IMO only. I don't have his books, by the way. To me, David Icke appears to be serving as a `global spiritual ambassador` to the awakening of humanity, who should return to `G-d` and basically stop INTERBREEDING with each others' cousins and pals, stop pedophilia, stop Satanism sacrifices, stop torturing, stop human trafficking, stop genetic superiority, stop killings, etc.

Yes, he is `definitely` one of `them` because he seems to know so much about shaft-shifting reptoids. Yet, he is also trying to be one of `you` by presenting the `truth` about these alleged `malevolent agendas`. It’s just my grain of salt.

reply to post by cripmeister

Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

For example, if one were to make similar claims about African-Americans, saying that a group that hated other Blacks helped perpetuate KKK and Apartheid in South Africa, that the Kenyan intelligence service along with the NAACP was trying to discredit them, that person would rightly be called a racist.

Exactly!

I accuse some of you of being Anti-Reptilian

Yessss Lizard Haters! The lot of you. Poor defenseless lizards who

have never done anything to anybody!

ReptOphobics No matter how you disguise it. No matter what

veneer it is all the same thing!

The word 'dinosaur' comes from two Greek words and means terrible

lizard. See? It started way back when.

What does the name Tyrannosaurus rex stands for?

The Greek and Latin combination Tyrannosaurus rex means "king of the

tyrant lizards."


You all gave us a bad rap and now we have to live with this abuse!


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Originally posted by KIZZZY
I accuse some of you of being Anti-Reptilian

Yessss Lizard Haters! The lot of you. Poor defenseless lizards who

have never done anything to anybody!

Wouldn't David Icke be the herpetophobe? He is the one saying they are trying to take over the world, drinking the blood of good folk and engaging in deviant sexual practices?