David Icke…..Ufology’s Worst Ambassador

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


Emotional imaging can easily be used against D.Icke too!

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Allprowolfy…..

maybe, are you oblivious to your surroundings!

I find that broad sweeping comment lacks clarity. If you can be more specific to that which you allude, I will try to reply to your comment.

i for one have observed david icke-website, and yes their are items and things that are obsurd

I addition to the ”items and things that are obsurd” that you ”for one have observed david icke-website”, there are ”items and things” that "I have observed on the ”david icke-website” that are damaging to gullible people, people who he targets with his vitriolic paedophiliac, satanist & alien reptilian fantasies & the broader field of Ufology.

but for the most part if you go to his free sight his web sight

I am thinking that when you say ”his free sight his web sight” you are indicating that Icke is somehow being philanthropic.

Icke’s website demonstrates he is far from being that. In fact, if you monitor his website, you see how Icke manipulates his content to optimise the income stream he derives from his nasty fiction.

For instance, if you look at Icke’s website this morning, you can see he is now advertising new speaking venues. As part of this promotion, Icke has elevated his book sales advertising to “top of page”.

has mostly valid media outlets to back up his news clips.

The fact that a ”valid media outlet” runs a story on something is no indicator that “something” is credible.

I also note that I cannot see any validation of Icke’s fiction on any ”valid media outlets”. To the contrary…..I see only alarm & derision.

now to insinuate just because he posts one article that might be out of text

My conclusions are based on observations of Icke’s work over a long period of time. My recent alarm has been based on Icke’s increasing focus on paedophilia & Satanism, both of which he raises ONLY to make money & gain attention.

that the man is a quack

”The man is a quack”…..an extremely damaging ”quack”

well maybe and maybe not.

I’m not certain as to your position here…..

Are you equivocating regarding Icke?

Or, are you addressing me?

as for me getting out once in a while and checking your surroundings

How exactly do you propose you will be ”getting out once in a while & checking” my ”surroundings”?

such as lady GaGa's latest video

I see that at the gym…..it’s not so bad! I think that within that “Ga Ga” persona there is quite a talent. From the reading I’ve done, it appears she is highly technically trained in music. That combines very effectively with her demonstrated creativity.

or the catholic church

Whilst I am not a Catholic, I am friends with our local priest…..he is a great guy!

or since about 2000 when it seems as if most of the adults in this world just suddenly died

I’m not sure I have observed anything to that effect.

and we now have children teaching children

Again, I’m not sure I have observed anything to that effect.

thus the tattoo's

I’m not a huge “tat” fan.

rings in every orfice of the body

Well beyond an earing, I think the body piercing fad is distasteful & importantly, risky from an infection control point of view.

children out of wedlock

That has always been an awful problem.

devestation of marriages

That also has always been an awful problem.

children on prescription drugs at the age of 11

Many general practitioners prescribe pharmaceuticals incorrectly & unnecessarily, sometimes even recklessly.

mabye you need to get out side more often and check your surroundings

I travel the world regularly.

I also spend a lot of time ”out side”, as in not inside.

as mine are very interesting to say the least

You are fortunate that you enjoy ”interesting surroundings”.

lend credence to david ickes case and point

To which of your ”interesting surroundings” do you refer, when you allude to those ”surroundings” as those that ”lend credence to david ickes case and point”?

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not


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Originally posted by Chadwickus

Originally posted by Point of No Return
99.999999999% of the world's population has never even heard of him.

That's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it?
At a guess I would say a good 50% of the adult British population knows who he is.
Thanks largely to this:

And you question why people are speaking out about his lies...
On a side note, I don't think you play devils advocate very well.

Chadwickus.....

As I look at that video again through the prism of Icke's infidelities & indiscretions leading up to that time as per my earlier post, I guess it’s possible he was suffering from a medically significant level of stress that exhibited itself with the development of his paranoid fantasies post viewing of “V”.

I guess it’s also possible that media entities such as the BBC took advantage of that for purposes of their own ratings & subsequent advertising income.

I guess it’s also possible his level of stress was exacerbated by his requirement to deal with the ramifications of that appearance.

However, I believe Icke has long since been perfectly rational & calculating, as he escalates his paranoid fantasies to take advantage of gullible & vulnerable people.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not


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Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by DoomsdayRex

 

That would be a bad idea. Icke and his followers would spin it as the Elite trying to censor his books.

Worse. It would be a self-appointed 'elite' and is certainly censorship. I prefer Icke to censorship.

Kandinsky.....

Worse. It would be a self-appointed 'elite' and is certainly censorship. I prefer Icke to censorship.

That's the problem, isn't it.....

On the one hand.....

One desires to proactively take steps to limit the damage that can be caused by someone like Icke.

On the other hand.....

Where's that line between trying to protect whilst not becoming a prescriptive censor?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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Cripmeister…..

Amazon is a privately owned company and they have a policy of not publishing offensive material. Anti-semitism is offensive. It's well within their right to pull D.Ickes material from their store if they wanted to. You could still buy the books, DVDs, t-shirts, coffee mugs etc from D.Ickes website.

It would be interesting to have a conversation with TPTB from Amazon regarding Icke.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by cripmeister

That article is just the tip of the iceberg. Besides the obvious slander there's anti-semitism, a pro-life agenda, anti-vaccination

That is enough right there. He is threatening people's lives.

DoomsdayRex.....

Cripmeister & you are absolutely correct.

As you may have gleaned from my work in the Medical Forum, my working life is spent as a senior person in the medical industry specialising in new, innovative technologies.

The damage caused by non-vaccination is appalling in the extreme.

I spent a number of years working clinically in 1 of the world's leading childrens hospitals.....I have seen such personal devastation first hand.

Icke's disingenuous, profit driven anti vaccination diatribe is appalling in the extreme.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



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Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by DoomsdayRex

 

That is enough right there. He is threatening people's lives.

Is there any stupid bandwagon he isn't part of?

(scroll to 08.30)

Cripmeister.....

He's a nasty, twisted man.

That anti-vaccination rant is ill informed, ill advised, obfuscatious & disingenuous.

What a selfish, damaging individual…..

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by cripmeister
Is there any stupid bandwagon he isn't part of?

His philosophy of the omniconspiracy demands he integrate every conspiracy, every belief into it.

DoomsdayRex.....

His philosophy of the omniconspiracy demands he integrate every conspiracy, every belief into it.

That's why I invented my term "Icke's Big Omelet Approach To Conspiracies"!

Although I must say, "Omniconspiracy" does have a nice "ring" to it.

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Maybe...maybe not

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Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

Emotional imaging can easily be used against D.Icke too!

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Cripmeister.....

The fact is, that's what Icke's promoting.....

.....damage to children.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Point of No Return
Please, don't flatter yourself, why would I be emberassed, i always speak for what I stand for, again i don't care what y'all think about me, why should I?

You don't speak for what you believe. In a post in this thread dated 7.1.2010, you told us there was no connection between Icke and UFO research, that Icke never discusses UFOs. Yet four days before, you posted in a discussion about David Icke's new book Moon Matrix, where he claims the moon is an artificial construct built by aliens to control us. You knowingly engage in lies to defend Icke.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
You are quite the psycho analist.

A poor attempt at an ad hominem

Originally posted by Point of No Return
I guess anyone that would make a positive comment to an Icke thread, automatically has a screwed up life.

Another attempt at reductio ad ridiculum

Not necessarily. Being wrong does not translate to having a "screwed up life", though I would question their judgement. However, those who have completely themselves over to Mr. Icke's philosophies have made questionable decisions in their lives.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
You're just speculating.

Show me where I am wrong.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
I can and I did, there is no valid bases for your claim.

You have not produced a cogent argument for why any of Icke's critics are wrong. All you have done is repeat the claim we are wrong and engaged in logical fallacy after logical fallacy.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
You first create a generalizing group that doesn't even exist, "Icke followers".

You are denying that Icke has either fans or supporters or believers? That only demonstrates your willingness to lie to defend him.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
You single people out and pass judgement about their lives, all based on comments they left on certain threads on certain sites.

What else should we examine them by?

Originally posted by Point of No Return
It's total hogwash, all based on a fear or hate against icke and his content.

Bulverism and another appeal-to-motive.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
Why not worry about all the corruption and loss of freedom and democracy that is occurring right now?

More deflection. The topic is David Icke and the danger he[/] presents, not general politics.