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David Icke…..Ufology’s Worst Ambassador

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posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:13 AM
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Do you have any concrete pieces of evidence that show how Icke's stuff has damaged people.


Well Billy Myer is a hoaxer and he never hurt anyone that does not make his ufos real. D.Icke has hurt the field of UFOlogy and conspiracy, him and people like him are the reason why these two subjects are looked down upon.



That settles it then. How is this evidence, it's just opinion, just like the rest of the thread.


That is not opinion that is a fact. There are no lizzard men or shape-shifting jew lizzards anywhere, proove me wrong.




posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:23 AM
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You want proof that D.Icke is a hoax? Here you go
In his book "The Robot's Rebellion " D.icke goes on and talks about the "illuminati protocalls" refering to the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a text about how the jewish people had a plan for global domination. D.icke seeing away to support his conspiracy of lizzard people and having a chance to tie it in with jewish people running the world he had no problem refferencing the text numerous times. The only problem is that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was puclished in 1903 and was exposed as a hoax in 1920. D.icke knowing this went along and used the material anyways making him a hoaxster.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:29 AM
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Well Billy Myer is a hoaxer and he never hurt anyone that does not make his ufos real. D.Icke has hurt the field of UFOlogy and conspiracy, him and people like him are the reason why these two subjects are looked down upon.


I'm not saying Icke's stuff is real. I'm arguiing against the notion that "gullible paranoid people" must be protected from Icke because he would be damaging them, as the OP claims.

It's BS.

The OP obviously can't even bring up one case where Icke has damaged an individual. Therefore, his premise is BS.

Futhermore, David Icke has nothing to do with ufology, isn't ufology focussed on unidentified flying objects? Not one of Icke's spearpoints I would say.

I said it before, you guys seem to take him more seriously than the people that "believe" in Icke.

It's just one guy with a certain perspective, if you don't like it, don't listen to him.

I hardly ever see any threads pushing Icke's work, here on ATS.

Almost everytime I see Icke's name here on ATS is because some smartass takes the easy road of bashing him, under the guise of "denying ignorance" and looking out for the "gullible and paranoid".

It's just ego-masterbation.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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Well that's better, why didn't you post this the first time, instead of an opinion.

I'll have to look in to it, I don't know if one mistake, on purpose or not, makes him a fraud.

Do you have any links?



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:37 AM
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He also was being promoted and gave his talks to Combat 18, i will let you find out for yourself what those guys are. He is an anti semiticpiece of crap.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Point of No Return
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Well that's better, why didn't you post this the first time, instead of an opinion.

I'll have to look in to it, I don't know if one mistake, on purpose or not, makes him a fraud.

Do you have any links?


Sorry im not going to copy/past his book but if you can find it online go for it.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:50 AM
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So he's against Reptillians and Jews. Ok.

Care to elaborate?

edit, I see, you call him anti-semtic and a fraud, but you won't provide the evidence for your claims.

Typical.



[edit on 29-6-2010 by Point of No Return]



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:54 AM
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You do not see how having one more speaker spewing anti semitic propaganda is a problem? Me being a fan of Conspiracy and UFOlogy really hate the idea that he is somehow associated and a big name in these things.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 01:57 AM
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So the problem is his alleged anti-semitsm? Or the Reptillians?

Wich is it?

And please, can you prove he's anti-semitic, or at least show me how you got to that conclusion?

[edit on 29-6-2010 by Point of No Return]



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 02:12 AM
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So the problem is his alleged anti-semitsm? Or the Reptillians?

Both his anti-semetic writtings just fuel fires and his works about reptilians really stop UFOlogy and conspiracy theories from being taken serriously.



And please, can you prove he's anti-semitic, or at least show me how you got to that conclusion?


Read his book the robots guide to freedom.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 02:17 AM
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Read his book the robots guide to freedom.


Again, refusing to back up your claims. Convenient.

The way I understood it, some say he uses the Reptillians as a metaphor for the Jews.

So he's either bashing Jews or Reptillians, but not both. I don't think you even understand what you are talking about.

If he's anti-semtic, please qoute a piece of text from him that clearly shows it.

If you can't or won't, you just need to shut up.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 02:21 AM
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MMN, you were whining how I wasn't adding to the discussion, and that I was off topic, but when I ask you a question that is clearly on topic, you refuse to answer me.

What a joke!



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by zaiger
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He also was being promoted and gave his talks to Combat 18, i will let you find out for yourself what those guys are. He is an anti semiticpiece of crap.


That's one half truth, and one outright lie.

He can't help if neo nazi's are attracted to his work, because he's discussing the bankers etc, who happen to be Jewish. They promoted him in their paper, I'm sure he wasn't paying them to do so.

They attended his talk, he didn't come to them. How does that make him anti-semitic?

Is this all the evidence you base your claims on?



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 02:41 AM
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Again, refusing to back up your claims. Convenient.

Telling you to read a book that was written by the person you are defending is not refusing to back up my claims. Read his book, if you have not read it then you really do not have room to comment on the matter do you?



The way I understood it, some say he uses the Reptillians as a metaphor for the Jews.


No he references the protocols of zion which is a very anti-semetic text that was prooven to be a hoax. He attracted the likes of Combat 18 because of his writtings, Combat 18 is not really into ufology or conspiracy.



If you can't or won't, you just need to shut up.

Go buy his book and read it.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 02:42 AM
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I am an open-minded person that doesn't dismiss things just b/c it sounds too far-fetched for my limited human consciousness to comprehend.


How can you not comprehend it? It was invented by someone with a limited human consciousness just like you.


Icke has named names, why don't those named go him for defamation of character, as those are pretty wicked claims.


Because they don't care? Because they've never heard of the guy? Because they know that's what D.Icke wants? There are a number of possible explanations. We can turn this around too, just for fun. If someone wrote something similar about him and he didn't acknowledge it, would that imply that the thing was true?



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 02:59 AM
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He is laughing all the way to the bank.

No job, no career, hmm what can I do? I will come out with outlandish theories and provide no substance to them. I will be another mystery...

pfft!

He is smarter than his followers...



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 03:02 AM
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Telling you to read a book that was written by the person you are defending is not refusing to back up my claims. Read his book, if you have not read it then you really do not have room to comment on the matter do you?


You are claiming he's anti semetic, the burden of proof is on you.

You have to provide the proof in this thread, telling me to read a book is not how it works here.

How hard can it be for you to provide a qoute that proves his claims, if they are true?




No he references the protocols of zion which is a very anti-semetic text that was prooven to be a hoax. He attracted the likes of Combat 18 because of his writtings, Combat 18 is not really into ufology or conspiracy.


He references lot's of stuff. Does referring to something make one part of that thing?

Like I said, it's not his fault for attracting certain people with parts of his work.

You admit that you were wrong when you said he visited them for a talk?




Go buy his book and read it.


Provide the evidence for your claim, or stop talking.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 03:08 AM
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You are claiming he's anti semetic, the burden of proof is on you.


Yes and i am telling you where i get that from and that you can see for yourself. What do you mean by the burden of proof? Do you want me to make you read it?
Is it so much to ask that if you are going to talk about something that you read upp on it a little bit?



He references lot's of stuff. Does referring to something make one part of that thing?

Only when you support it (which he does).



Provide the evidence for your claim, or stop talking.


I did i gave you the name of the book you can find it in that is the evidence of my claim. a book written by the person, sources do not get much better than that. Oh i forgot those of us that do not side with you are here for the suppression of info

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posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 03:16 AM
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He references lot's of stuff. Does referring to something make one part of that thing?


When you use it to back up your claim yes. He can't plead ignorance here either because the Protocols were de-bunked over 80 years ago.



posted on Jun, 29 2010 @ 03:42 AM
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Point of No Return.....



The way I understood it


If you read the source material, you will clearly understand what is going on.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



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