Wake up White People!

reply to post by IvanObanion


I'm not saying white people are bad, if the tables were turned and Africans had ended up the capitalists in control then things would be the same.

I keep stressing this is not a race issue, it's a class issue and most blacks are at the bottom of the class structure and most of those at the top are white, a fact of history, not because whites are any more evil than anyone else. I guess the luck of environment put whites in the position of being able to, or the need to, exploit other people, black and white to the point it got to where it is now. Humans of all colours have exploited each other, enslave each other.

You are making it a racist issue with your assumptions because you can't ever see yourself as equal to a black man and having a shared problem, class oppression. Blacks know this more deeply than whites, even those who say they hate white people don't really, not to the point of white hate groups of which there are many and some extremely popular, the National Front and the British Nationalist Party to name two. They just hate the system like the rest of us and to them the system looks all white, regardless of the president.

I'm not proud of what white people have done when it comes to the subject of race, I think I'd rather call myself BLACK in that context, it's a state of mind... I would be proud black or white.

reply to post by FortAnthem


there are so many logical fallacies in your thinking that i can't even keep up. ulterior motive? are you joking this whole thread was an uleterior motive. you stated that right off the bat..

get serious. the reason people got annoyed is because your intentions are about as opaque as the methane i release at night.

everyone here agreed that the demonstration only had a small amount of participants. it wasn't even a big deal. no one cared at all. now you and a few others are using this as a launching pad to start bashing white people for crimes that every race on the planet commits on a daily basis.

if you feel so guilty about blacks why don't you start writing some checks or start a foundation.

reply to post by ANOK


Are you a socialist? You're not a really good one at that. This is not about class issues. This is about recognition in the present world.

Originally posted by IvanObanion
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

there are so many logical fallacies in your thinking that i can't even keep up. ulterior motive? are you joking this whole thread was an uleterior motive. you stated that right off the bat..

OK, you're right, I did have an ulterior motive with this thread;

Originally posted by FortAnthem
I always wanted to start a thread with that title, just to see how many folks come swooping in here to berate the racist A-hole who would dare to post something under that title.

Let's also consider this an ATS experiment to catch all those folks who post without reading the OP, responding only to the thread title.

I wanted to set a trap to catch those people who post replies without reading the OP.

I caught one, even with the give-away right in the first two lines of the thread.

I wonder how many people hit the "alert" button to report this "racist" thread to the mods?

[edit on 6/26/10 by FortAnthem]

reply to post by ANOK


anok, i understand what you're saying. what is it that you expect? do you really believe the public is capable of generating fair leaders and a fair world? what is your point. i don't like a lot of things that white people do either but i'm not moanin and groanin about it.

it sounds like you're talking about discrimination in general based upon social status. i'm sure we'd all like a perfect world but it's just not possible. not in the next 1000 years or more, who knows maybe never.

which portion of the public are you gonna turn to to get your respectable leaders. where is the moral majority that you think is out there?

listen, this is as good as it's gonna get for a LONG time. and it's much better than when we were flaying people alive in assyria or crucifying runaway slaves in rome.

try and be happy and quit spreading guilt around. not a single person in this thread defended any racist action. no one. you guys just decided to launch an assualt against whites because we show up to a thread that obviously has some anti white racial issues going on.

reply to post by FortAnthem


Here's a perfect article for you OP!
en.wikipedia.org...
Another slave in the world who's nothing more then the bums on the streets.
As well as this wiki entry.
en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 26-6-2010 by Romantic_Rebel]

Originally posted by IvanObanion
reply to post by FortAnthem

 

fort, uh are you 15 or something? please don't make any more comments. for your own sake.

Originally posted by IvanObanion
reply to post by Procession101

 

high school - $50 for backpack and lunchbox
english tutor - $30 a lesson
having the pleasure of seeing people say "your ignorant"

priceless.

seriously, that phrase and it's variants (your stupid, your dumb, etc) is one of the few redeeming points of contact with the general public. it always puts a smile on my face, thanks for the chuckle.

Gee, thanx for the compliment.


Edit to add: BTW, that should be "you're ignorant"

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4d75a50e23af.jpg[/atsimg]

Sorry, I couldn't pass up an excuse to use that pic.

[edit on 6/26/10 by FortAnthem]

Originally posted by IvanObanion
why don't you post some kind of study that shows people that "hate" are bad people or are cowards or whatever other stigma you'd like to apply.

Are you kidding me?

A person who bases their lifestyle on the hate of others and you think that's good?

I think you are just trying to justify your own hate.

I'm not being 'PC' (do you even know the original meaning of that?), and I'm not ranting. Why is it when people post long in-depth posts they're accused of ranting? As a white person I'm just being brutally honest imo. As an outside observer, I don't have the emotion about the subject you seem to think I have, I observe and comment with a style I hope is easy to read and understand, if it sounds emotional it's to make a point.

Anyway it's a known fact most people don't bother reading posts thoroughly, and digest what it written, before they make their reactionary reply. They already think they know the subject and look for easily recognized points to focus on often times missing the context of what was actually said. Already proved from one poster in this thread...Or is that two now?

[edit on 6/26/2010 by ANOK]

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by ANOK

 

Are you a socialist? You're not a really good one at that. This is not about class issues. This is about recognition in the present world.

'This is about recognition in the present world.'

lol that in itself is a class issue...

Why am I not a 'good socialist', what the hell is a good socialist?

You're gonna have to define 'socialism' before I answer that question, because I'm gonna take a wild guess and say your definition is not the same as mine...

Here ya go found a link for ya...

The following is a talk given by Julius Dykes, an African American auto worker, at the Nov. 13-14, 2004, National Fightback Conference.

Julius Dykes
WW photo: John Catalinotto

One reason it is imperative to keep the struggle against racism linked to the class struggle is that racism is, and has always been, the main tool of division of the ruling class against the working class and oppressed...It affects the thinking of white workers as well as workers of color. But the effect on Black workers and workers of color is to a greater degree because we have been the direct victims of it...

www.workers.org...

See even blacks recognize it's a class issue and racism just a tool used by the state to divide the working classes, and no hate for whites anywhere.

If you understood how the working classes used to be, very organized and they stuck together, you'd understand the establishments desire to break up the organization of their exploited classes. You'll still find that attitude in places around the world but it's few and far between anymore, working class spirit was destroyed by the state.

[edit on 6/26/2010 by ANOK]

While I don't agree with their message....I am quite sure this dudes have the right to gather and preach whatever the want...as long as they are peaceful.

Like someone else said...these guys are no different than La Raza so whats the beef?

Originally posted by realmatrix
While I don't agree with their message....I am quite sure this dudes have the right to gather and preach whatever the want...as long as they are peaceful.

Like someone else said...these guys are no different than La Raza so whats the beef?

My beef is that the protesters amplify the message of the racists by giving them media attention.

If the protesters hadn't shown up, a lot of money could have been saved (security expences) and the racists would have ended up preaching to an almost empty field.

I provided examples earlier of how animal rights protesters made a lion meat burger promotion a huge success, the ADL promoted Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" through their protests and Christians end up promoting blasphemous plays and artwork through their protests as well.

Sometimes, its better to ignore the trolls in life, like here on ATS.

Supremacy of any people, race or thought derives from the same root issue. Individuals have been instilled with hateful thoughts due to their environments and life experiences. If anyone was truly a leader of a country or society they would sit down every single hateful supremacy group and get to the bottom of the issue as to why they feel that way in a positive manner and find solutions to problems.

There is no reason to hate once we find solutions to issues that bother people. However I feel that such groups only exist because we have lived in such a dualistic state of mind for this era, for that is the theme of this era. Conflict, aggression, dominance, security, pride and all the other values that are emphasized in the age that we live in.

There will be a day when there will be no groups of supremacy, there will only be what is, and what humanity agrees on in a collective consciousness

reply to post by FortAnthem

"My beef is that the protesters amplify the message of the racists by giving them media attention."

I spoke off the cuff earlier in the thread when I said people should protest in mass and then got into the race discussion. After thinking about it, I'd say you're probably right. But I'm still torn.

Peace

Originally posted by FearNoEvil


I spoke off the cuff earlier in the thread when I said people should protest in mass and then got into the race discussion. After thinking about it, I'd say you're probably right. But I'm still torn.

Peace

That's OK, there are times when a huge protest is called for.

The article mentioned a huge rally by a racist group just a few years ago. THAT would have called for a large visible contingent of protesters.

When they are strong in numbers, it is appropriate to show up and oppose them. When they can only gather a handful of family members and drinking buddies, ignoring them may be the best option.

reply to post by ANOK


here you go again. another feeble minded response. you are so stuck on how "bad" whitey is you can't fathom that anyone else in the world is capable of hate. it's just sickening listening to what comes out of your brain.

everyone hates something from time to time. i know you'd like to confine this discussion into the tiny parameters of your imaginary rainbow world but unfortunately for you the world has approx. 7 billion people in it. and i don't see news stories of people droppin dead because of hating something once in a while.

also, please continue labeling me as a "hater" that can't comprehend your complex posts. it ensures that the generation you're in will absolutely not be capable of providing a fair world for the next generation to follow. PM me in about 30 years when you understand that.

reply to post by Utopia2012


i star'd your comment because i applaud your idealism. i think along those lines a fair bit of the time as well. i catch myself wondering why things aren't fair pretty often.

however, you must remember that there isn't a moral majority. (as i was saying earlier) there is no group of people that are going to sit down and discuss things from a level playing field because there is no level playing field. every group that's ever existed has adopted morals, whether good or bad, of their own choosing.

it my sound cold but the plain fact is that fairness and equality may not even be viable solutions to the game of life. assuming that they are could lead to a lifetime of aggravation. i think fairness finds it's place in the "jungle rules" environment. things are fair simply because they work and they continue to work for a long time. this makes them fair.

things don't become fair because a group of people sit down to decide another group's future. obviously i think there are certain rights that all human beings should have but again, that's just the way i see the world. i could be eaten by a bear tomorrow and it would be about as fair as anything else.

Originally posted by xstealth

I also believe they were fighting for the right reasons, states rights against a tyrannical government.

Come on now!. Yes they were fighting for States Rights, but the rights they were fighting for were the rights to own slaves.

Originally posted by problemsolvr
These people need to realize that there is more to life than the color of your skin. Are they intelligent enough to know the law? The Federal Law States that the Democratic Republic Government to not let President Barack bar their (or the heir)(as Barack Obama is the "heir" that was installed by TPTB) acknowledgement of law practices.

What I meant by the above was a sort of riddle; Barack Obama is of African/European descent (different colors mixed.) He is now the judge of these "white supremacists (color not mixed.) Is the color important, or is the actions/ethics/morals of the ancestors/previous beings important? The president of mixed race name is BarAck, The law (bar (law) exam) is in his own NWO name. Does he himself (Bar-ack) Ack-knowledge race or Ob/Ab/Abba/Father and Ama/Oma/Momma/Mom,( Ob-Ama) when he went to a church that was black heritage pride for 20 years?

It is a riddle, his name.

Hopefully, we can all co-exist in the correct way where it is moral/ethics/actions, not color of skin.


[edit on 26-6-2010 by problemsolvr]

[edit on 26-6-2010 by problemsolvr]

reply to post by ANOK

ANOK You ROCK!

Don't let the dark forces of the jungle sway you. You seem like an intelligent person so you probably knew it won't take long before you're being called a race-traitor right? Threads like this unfortunately just give the xenophobes the opportunity to blow some steam with the goal of attracting the other xenophobes or the bitter oppressed. Your logic is just and right but will be seen as hippie fantasy to those in here who try to frame this world with the law of the jungle where you are either predator or prey. They just happen to use race as their upper hand.

It's funny how the 'geniuses" in here never can seem to understand that hatred only breeds more hatred; that focusing on the belief that “everyone” is racist is just the apology for their own racism. So innocent they pretend to be.


However, The O.P. is right! These protesters are wasting their time and really should find better things to do; they are only falling into the trap. I think it's time for blacks, especially to stop falling into the race bait because that is an EVIL that they cannot vanquish. They would be better off aiming for success and betterment of self. That is a message for every one of course. Even though, there are groups of xenophobes who have already decided that it is only in division they can rule or survive. We need more Martin. Luther. King’s in this world.