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Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by Conclusion
You of all people talk about smart ass answers?
Well better a smart ass than a dumb ass I guess.
We'll get to that in a second.
I did read it. I found no flaw in it. Please explain this flaw.
Hm, did you really read it, or are you being a dumb ass?
So, out of six tests, two had to be discarded, one showed an immediate drop in weight (and nothing more), two showed an immediate drop in weight which increased with the passage of time, and one showed an immediate drop in weight which reversed itself but later recurred. And even these results cannot be accepted at face value as the potential for experimental error was extremely high, especially since MacDougall and his colleagues often had difficulty in determining the precise moment of death, one of the key factors in their experiments. (MacDougall later attempted to explain away the timing discrepancies by concluding that "the soul's weight is removed from the body virtually at the instant of last breath, though in persons of sluggish temperament it may remain in the body for a full minute.")
I don't know that answer. That is a good question though. For him not to have a creator but to always have been there does seem incomprehensible for me at least. Maybe the clue is in I AM .
If a creator requires a creator, then we're left with infinite regression. If a creator could exist infinitely, then it is no more less reasonable to assume an infinite universe where natural processes take place.
In either case, we're left without a definitive answer. Yet in the case for a creator, we're left with an illogical assumption that a universe needs to be intelligently created without any evidence that this must be so.
Originally posted by sirnex
Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
Also just to add. Doesn't life seem to be an intelligent design? I mean it is amazing. Not just life, but the vessel designed to carry it.
No, life doesn't appear to be an intelligent design. It appears to me that life evolved in a symbiotic relationship of sorts with predators at the top and bacterium at the bottom. With each species adapting to it's particular niche and role as it fights for survival and reproduction.
As amazing as the process of life is, there does not seem to be anything indicative of an intelligence behind it all.
Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Just because something is created does not mean it requires a "creator",
LMAO!!
Please explain that part to me.
Well what you did was read another article about it that disputes it. I read the article that I posted for you to read. Now read the article and dispute that article. I would copy and paste it but for some reason it will not let me.
I did not say the creator required a creator. I said I did not know.
Everything in this universe is created.
How can one deny that.
Now if you want to get into how God came to be I can only offer speculation. I personally think that he would be of something similar to what we call a fractal.
Then how did life come to exist? Not these machines we live in, i.e. our bodies. But life. And that is just the beginning.
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by Hadrian
She's got a point. Those that don't believe in god are just as much in the "faith" field as anyone else. Sorry guys. I'll see you on the other side and we can talk then. If there is another side.
I disagree! The old argument that an atheist has the same faith as a believer is an oldie, not so much a goodie. Atheists make no claim in the belief of a deity!!! Therefore, there is no required faith for them to have!
Atheists' position is there is no evidence for a deity.
The end.
How do you KNOW though? You don't. You can't. THAT is why it's as much a faith as anything else.
Originally posted by Conclusion
Then how did life come to exist? Not these machines we live in, i.e. our bodies. But life. And that is just the beginning.
Originally posted by Conclusion
Well you guys think you know and that is good enough for me. I know what I know. I am ok with that. Good luck in your endeavors.
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by Hadrian
She's got a point. Those that don't believe in god are just as much in the "faith" field as anyone else. Sorry guys. I'll see you on the other side and we can talk then. If there is another side.
I disagree! The old argument that an atheist has the same faith as a believer is an oldie, not so much a goodie. Atheists make no claim in the belief of a deity!!! Therefore, there is no required faith for them to have!
Atheists' position is there is no evidence for a deity.
The end.
How do you KNOW though? You don't. You can't. THAT is why it's as much a faith as anything else.
Originally posted by intrepid
You're right, there is no evidence of god imo BUT there's no evidence against him either.
Originally posted by Conclusion
Well you guys think you know and that is good enough for me. I know what I know. I am ok with that. Good luck in your endeavors.
Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Is that supposed to be a serious retort?
Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by sirnex
Quite ridiculous argument. I don't know why I bother. Atheists are just the flip side to the Theists on this coin.
Originally posted by sirnex
What amazes me is that both replies you've made did nothing to refute the argument made. A scoff is not a rebuttal, it's simply an evasion tactic.
Do you even have a rebuttal to the argument? Or are you simply posing a question that you knew you would scoff at all answers to?
Why do you not believe in Zeus? I do not believe in Zeus for the same reasons you don't. We're both Atheistic to Zeus.
I've already stated that this is UNKNOWABLE at this time. That is a FACT. Have you died and realized that there is no god? No. All I get are stupid arguments about cheesecake.
Once again, how do you know Zeus didn't exist? You're making assumptions. I'll leave you guys to your pointless argument. No one's taking anything anyone says seriously anyways. Just a ethereal pissing contest. Only logical one here, me, is out. Good luck people.