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"Where there is evidence, no one speaks of 'faith'. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence." - Bertrand Russell
Originally posted by randyvs
What I mean is, nothing has ever happened in his life that would be evidence for him to believe in God. Obviously. How can he post so much crap, nsults and mockery designed to offend.
When someone else may
have good, solid factual happenings in there life, that support what they believe.
He could be spiritually dead for all I know. So nothing spiritual will ever happen to him. He will nevcer find because he does not seek.
Seek and you will find.
For instance a woman I know was healed of an anurism right in the hospital. By some men and women who prayed over her.
Doctors even said," This is a miracle" !
I assumed that God did not exist, I assumed that free will did not exist. And THAT is when you realize they do, because things don't add up. It is called a proof by contradiction.
when they finally get their heads out of their asses.
Until then, I am still collecting news articles and scientific data to back up my theories.
"I got in contact with Dr. Fred Alan Wolf, a quantum physicist, bought his books and those of a few other authors, and eventually wrote an independent study for my psychology major on a Quantum Theory of Mind that will probably never be taken seriously by the mainstream scientists"
Try reading Dawkins. Dawkins doesn't spend a single second of his book "The God Delusion" proving that God doesn't exist.
Instead, he spends the entire piece of trash railing on a God that DAWKINS HIMSELF BELIEVES TO EXIST, or else he wouldn't bother to insult Him and his followers.
I assumed that God did not exist, I assumed that free will did not exist. And THAT is when you realize they do, because things don't add up. It is called a proof by contradiction.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Titen-Sxull
Atheists don't have to. The lack of evidence for God speaks volumes - it doesn't mean God doesn't exist 100% for sure but it does mean there's no reason to believe in God. Why believe in something for which there is no evidence?
What if you had evidence. I don't think you even tell anyone.
You are allowed your views. The FACT is your views could simply pertain,
do to a lack of spiritual experience. You can't even tell for sure if the spirit is dead with in you. What is it that causes all the mockery in your posts .
You really try to make yourself sound correct in your own measure.
Just dosn't work for me.
The only alternatives you can think of to explain existence are even more absurd or can be made to sound so.
[edit on 25-6-2010 by randyvs]
To be fair though, the original post is deserving of some ribbing and I did a little myself.
If there was evidence for your God, then there would be no Atheists of your God. Point of fact is, you and I are both Atheists towards other Gods, like Osiris, Odin, Zeus, etc. My Atheism goes a step further to include your God as well.
What if there was evidence for Zeus? Would you stop believing in your current God and follow Zeus instead
You do not believe in other Gods because you are not prejudice or partial.
I do not believe in other Gods because I believe in God.
Point of fact is, I do not believe in any deities because there is simply no evidence for me to believe in them. It has nothing to do with partiality or prejudice. In fact, if I were to be more partial to one deity over another then I would choose Odin as a preferred supreme deity. The reason for that being that the mythology just simply sounds better than the contradictory biblical mythology
That doesn't answer my question at all. If there was evidence for Zeus, would you drop your deity of choice/indoctrination in favor of Zeus?
Originally posted by randyvs
I disagree.
You do not believe in other Gods because you are not prejudice or partial.
I do not believe in other Gods because I believe in God.
Also, remember that the god of the bible references other gods that you are required to reject. Technically, the Abrahamic religions (christianity included) are henotheistic, NOT monotheistic. They require a degree of atheism to operate.
Originally posted by randyvs
See the only thing I can say that is Booole' sheought!
Just because people believe in other Gods dosn't mean they are actual entitys. Which is how I would explain away another one of your points of view.
About the jealousy of the lord. Sounds righteous to me for him to be jealous. if we are going to worship idles of stone or worse yet a demon.
I think that would flame my ass as well actually.
Just because people believe in other Gods dosn't mean they are actual entitys.
Originally posted by JokerzReality
I must admit. Most arguments i see from believers and atheist alike, sounds incredible ignorant.
God is considered the ultimate creator, i mean, our universe do exists, we are here are we not?
So you could consider the concept of God as a scientific theory, because it has just as much evidence as any other theory regarding the start of of the universe (If there even is one), the big bang being the most popular. I know of the pictures being taken of the big bang or whatever, but still, it's just some stupid theory based on a bunch of pictures(Not really into all of this, so please correct me if i'm wrong)
Originally posted by pstrron
Stating that there is no God is an absolute statement that requires 100% knowledge in order to be correct. Should the atheist have even 1% of all the knowledge and evidence contained in the intire universe there still leaves 99% that is not known and could prove that God exists. Thus the atheist mearly believes there is no God via his/her limited knowledge.
The statement of faith that a person believes in God doesn't require proof as they have faith and believe. This puts both the atheist and the believer in the same boat. The only difference being in what they believe to be true.
However, if God does in fact exist as the Bible says He does then the atheist will suffer total loss in all areas. Should God not exist as the atheist claims, the person of faith has lost nothing. He chose to live a life of faith and was happy to do so.
The only side that has to be 100% correct is the atheist because he/she is betting the farm they are. In the end its the person of faith that can not loose. If no God he has lost nothing and if there is he wins.
Are there any gamblers present?
Ah, the great debate, does God exsist or not? For the person of faith the answer is Yes! And for the atheist it is No! Stating that there is no God is an absolute statement that requires 100% knowledge in order to be correct. Should the atheist have even 1% of all the knowledge and evidence contained in the intire universe there still leaves 99% that is not known and could prove that God exists. Thus the atheist mearly believes there is no God via his/her limited knowledge.
The statement of faith that a person believes in God doesn't require proof as they have faith and believe.
This puts both the atheist and the believer in the same boat.
The only difference being in what they believe to be true.
However, if God does in fact exist as the Bible says He does then the atheist will suffer total loss in all areas.
Should God not exist as the atheist claims, the person of faith has lost nothing.
He chose to live a life of faith and was happy to do so.
The only side that has to be 100% is the atheist because he/she is betting the farm they are. In the end its the person of faith that can not loose. If no God he has lost nothing and if there is he wins.
Originally posted by PieKeeper
reply to post by darkbake
Trust me, it doesn't deserve it's own posting.
1. You cannot prove a negative. If a god does not exist, there will not be any evidence to prove that it doesn't.
2. I'm an Atheist, and I don't believe in any gods.
Do you have that independent study avaliable for us to read?
[edit on 24-6-2010 by PieKeeper]
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by randyvs
do to a lack of spiritual experience. You can't even tell for sure if the spirit is dead with in you.
But that raises the question: what is a "spirit"? Where is the evidence for a spirit? How can it gain experience and die?