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since most intelligent answer i could get, is how unintelligent the Danish people is.
But no, i already knew the thing about Derren Brown.
than a self-rightious atheist who won't accept the truth.
Sorry for the insult
and that each individual atheist chooses his own moral
The video to me showed that morallity is your own choice
secular atheistic versions of morallity was flawed at best
which goes to show that the people who thinks that atheist are so flawless are wrong.
You just don't get how it's like to write in a language so different from your own.
No i mean picking apart my post, like this was a competition.
Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by JokerzReality
ATS has nothing to do with deleting anything unless your ISP went down your you as the user screwed up somewhere on accident.
And what those many other thing's is not paranormal.
Phoenixbyrd@gmail.com Take a photo with your ATS user name one a piece of paper and have the "supermodel" hold a piece of paper with her name so I can verify who she is.
Simple really, unless your full of it.
You do realize how idiotic that statement sounds right?
No, you tried to side step it..
Allow me to verify who I am then. My Facebook Page
You see how easy it is? Gee, it appear I am a 30 year old married man with three kids after all you little twit..
Being American has nothing to do with treating others how they ask to be treated. You certainly need a good smack of reality as somehow the Denmark education system has failed you miserably. Yet, I concede that you are possibly rebelling against the common secularist beliefs of the majority of the population leading you into a downward spiral of mysticism, spiritualism and other such superstitious beliefs.
It has nothing to do with my ISP, the second time. I tried to delete a sentence with backspace, and it automaticly deleted everything i have written and left the post window complete blank and ready for a new sets of letters. It didn't upgrade the page or anything. I pushed on backspace, like im doing now, which you of course can't see, and everything was gone, period.
OMG, have you thought this whole time that Derren Brown was using supposedly paranormal methods? He's not. He even comes of as someone who is trying to debunk the paranormal, by using a compination of NLP, misdirection, hypnoses, psychology and mentalism. None of which are remotely near being paranormal.
I have pictures of me with supermodels however. I could write you their names, send you pictures of me with them and send you a picture with me infront of my ATS user name. How about that?
Maybe, but it's still true.
You're lucky man. I wan't to have kids myself someday, but my Gf isnt ready. I wonder what you're doing here then. Why not spending time with your kids, instead of spending time and energy to argu with an, according to you, ignorant Dane.
Ok, so now i've asked to be treated like this?
I'm not really rebillion against anything. All my friends are basicly atheists, i would be to, if it wasn't for my expereince. I only became interested in mysticism and spiritualism because of my expereince, but calling it a downward spiral is far from true. I've actually made some changes in my life, i would nerver thought were possible, i expereince things constantly, that i never thought possible, plus people tell me i'm glowing with karismatic love(whatever that means)
You actually think i'm with a supermodel right now.
Secondly i have a girlfriend now, and i don't think she would appriciate me going out to find a supermodel just have taken a picture with her.
You explained it best about what the video is about. I can almost understand every word. But when it's not normal for me, it's hard to find the word, that describe it best. I've tries, with what my mind had storaged, and failed. But i did understand what is was about. You just ignored the whole part where i pointed out, that i couldn't convey the words properly.
Just because i'm no atheist
but i am done "debating" with you.
And btw, 30 years old, is hardly an age were you could feel the effects of negative thinking, so no, you do not go against my claim.
And not only that; some of them think that the universe needed a creator, yet think that their creator doesn't need a creator themselves. They claim that we have humans don't understand the concept of infinity, not realizing that human includes them as well, so are they admitting they believe in something they don't even understand, or are they saying they're only human to a certain degree?
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
Originally posted by technical difficulties
No one can prove that the following does not exist: Ghosts, Goblins, Fairies, Trolls, Dwarves, Giants, Unicorns, Dragons, Wizards, Demons, Angels, Greys, Reptilians, MIB, Other Gods, and so on. If you can apply this argument to every ridiculous belief out there, it's not a good argument. Also, it's a logical fallacy.
Originally posted by darkbake
No one can prove that God doesn't exist.
EDIT: Yeah, I didn't read the rest of the page before making this post.
[edit on 28-6-2010 by technical difficulties]
Great Point, or the fact that theres many Gods, if The one true "god" should subcribe to only 1 religion, then you should expect damnation as a matter of chance....
If God believes you should live by Islam, and you have been eating ham all your life - You're going to hell. If god wishes you only to have one wife, but you're a morman and you have 5, you're going to hell.
Are you religious people not worried that your scriptures adequately conveys God's wishes? How do you know? Can you know? Can you get real some time?
Religious people still fail to see the logic in that, they are so convinced "their" religion is right.
How myopic, how narrow-minded, how gullable, how illogical, how ignorant.
You have faith in the laws of physics.
You have faith in the laws of physics.
How do you know that what you see is not itself an illusion or a simulation?
Therefore truth can never be seen directly because it is invisible and hidden.
If your thoughts determine why you don’t believe in a God and when your thoughts don’t have anything to do with reality, your reasons for not believing in a God is an act of faith. Atheism in itself might not be faith, but your reasons for being an atheist is taken on faith. Like reasons for believing or not believing in unicorns, is also an act of faith.
but wasn't lying when saying i'm not debating with you again, so don't expect an asnwer
i seriously see you as a waste of time,
you don't seem to know how to make a constructive debate, but seem more focused on getting your point across and make your opponent look bad, than actually understanding your opponent and proving your argument.
but i take comfort in that you will probably be a chode and Afc(Average frustrated chump)
Never needed a crutch, the changes there were unrelatd to self improvement, but more like changes in belief, intuition, awareness of nature and the spiritual dimension and in understanding and loving of people in a whole new way, because when you feel the impact you had on another human being, you tend to be more careful of who you insult and what you say to who.
Leave them better than you found them.
And i don't consider people who needs a crutch to change pathetic, that's far from any absolutte truth it's a little sad yea, but some people just don't know how to change, it's not their fault that nobody has taught them.
Judging people who needs a crutch and calling your statements and opinions the absolut truth, is however very pathetic and sad not to mention extremly ignorant.
i just reconize i'm wrong where you do not.
However how can one not be a hypocrite when discussing how pointless discussing is, you can't point it out, without being a little of a hypocrite.
How is calling someone a joke or a bigoted hypocrite constructive i wonder?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Just because something is created does not mean it requires a "creator",
Please explain that part to me.
For example, mountains could be created by the actions of plate tectonics: doesn't require a "creator". A crevasse could be created in the earth as a result of an earthquake: doesn't require a "creator".
It's amazing that this must be pointed out to you.
Faith is belief without evidence
We have direct evidence by letting go of something in midair and watching it fall to the ground.
Unless your talking about the various explanations behind gravity? hearing, learning, knowing about various explanations does not require one to believe any of those explanations are accurate, so again we don't need faith. Science deals with evidences, not with beliefs that lack evidences. So next time, please make that distinction before making such an uneducated reply.
Perhaps you didn't pay attention when they taught biology in Denmark school. What we see is indeed a simulated experience of reality outside our five senses. Nor is it the only perceived perception of reality. Our brain interprets what our languages call the visible spectrum whereas other species on this planet see only the infrared spectrum or some see visible along with ultraviolet, etc.
This is where I view the narcissism coming from. What truth are you referring to? What truth is hidden from us? Who or what is hiding this so called truth? We biologically as humans only have our five senses in which to perceive the world around us, but we also have instruments that show a wider range of frequencies that we do not readily perceive. This is not a hidden thing at all
Your naivety is amazing, it really is. Despite being told that I do not believe in anything without evidence in which to believe in it, you still wish to relegate the lack of evidence being the causation of my disbelief as a matter of faith. Again, faith is belief in something without evidence for that something, like unicorns or god
Yet you waste the time replying to me anyways. It appears I'm not *that much* of a waste.
I'm sorry, but a debate is about proving your argument to be more true than the others argument. Please learn what a debate is my friend.
Cute, you assume success is a measure of wealth and that a measure of wealth is a measure of income and material possessions. What you may perceive as an average chump I perceive as very wealthy and successful man choosing to live with less, making less impact on the environment, waiting to take away what others would have tossed in the trash, etc
I have a wonderful life, with a wonderful family. I get everything I own either cheap or free and used. I wear name brand clothing, I own a 50 inch screen tv which someone just tossed out in working order because they got a newer model. Where you work hard for your things, I hardly work.
You leave your girl to go on trips to Thailand, I've gotten to stay home for the last year and half with my wife and children being there for them. So tell me more about how you perceive me to be an average chump. From my point of view, you are the average chump playing the consumerist game. Yo work hard for your things, you have to be away from home etc.
Success is a matter of perception my friend and from my point of view, I'm much more successful than you.
Ah, so I have to be more spiritual to care for others? I've helped many people before and I still do now, all without having to be spiritual and most not even being related to me or people I even know.
You claim to be more careful of who you insult and yet you insult greatly without any care. Your a fake, a joke and an utter hypocrite to your own words.
I don't claim to be anything I'm not and I openly admit to be talking down to you, for attacking your uneducated beliefs and false accusations. You pretend to be better whilst acting less.
By being insulting? Do you normally insult without acknowledging that you are insulting?
Who are you to judge whether someone needs to change or not? Would you rather the entire human species conforms to one belief, one social norm, one acceptable behavior etc? Your simply too judgmental if you think someone else needs to change. People are who people are and they are unique because of who they are. Value that uniqueness.
I judge the need for a crutch to make a change because it takes away the human experience. When someone makes a change because they suddenly believe in god, they aren't changing because they want to change, they're changing because of some ill perceived god. God is your crutch.
Nor did I ever once claim that what I've said was absolute truth. So, let's please acknowledge who is being the pathetic ignorant one.
Really? Where have I made it apparent that I don't think I'm wrong for doing what you hypocritically bitch about me doing? I've never said anything about talking down as not being wrong. I know it can make others feel less of themselves, but sometimes others need that slap of reality.
If you don't wish to be perceived as such, then change your ways.
I value uniqueness more than you could ever realise. You seem to misunderstand. I don’t care about their personal religion and personal beliefs when they come to me. Acceptable behaviour and social norm is yours to form. By learning to be your best self and be the Alpha male, you decide what the social norm is in your environment. Of course don’t break the rules of the country your in, just own your environment.
Oh, so now the belief in a god, isn’t a human expereince?
who suddenly believe in God, change because they WANT to change
I don’t judge what people use as tools to change. I’ve used knowledge on some psychological traits to form me into the man I WANT to be, and I’m far from finished. I still learn myself. As long as you don’t change BECAUSE some God said you should
Then I guess the above quote wasn’t written by you. So, yes lets acknowledge than your the pathetic ignorant one. You said that needing a crutch was simply pathetic, then suggesting that what you previously stated was the absolute truth. Am I misunderstanding something here? It doesn’t matter if it’s sarcasm and you didn’t really mean it, you still claimed it to be. And how am I going to spot your sarcasm without seeing your face?
I say you’re wrong.
i have high confidence that the psychological theories i live by are pretty accurate.
But ok, since you know you’re wrong in making people thinking less of themselves I’m not going to ignorantly state that you don’t know you're wrong again, my appolegies.