reply to post by ghostpigeon
Glad to see you took your time and caught up with everything in this thread.
I waited to reply to everything you had to say because each person's post is answered in the order it is posted, which might suck for those waiting,
but it is something I try to do, because it shows equal respect for all.
I was as well an avid reader of military history, primarily Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece, those were my favorites, although the Celts, Persians,
Asia, and Vikings always interested me, but Rome and Greece were my focus.
America is but a baby when it comes to history and that of warfare.
Our Government as well took parts and pieces of each of those and adapted them within the confines of our military doctrine on many levels.
Your knowledge of Cold War history interests me as I always delved into that deeply.
In school we are not taught to think but how to recite by rote a history full of truths, half-truths, and outright blatant lies, because the
victorious writes history.
Not the vanquished.
Which is what this thread is all about on so many levels and our desires.
Your comment about the
Bohemian Grove resonated with me, albeit maybe not for the same reason as you mentioned it, because if we as a community
ourselves, know of these things, why is nothing done about them?
Quote from : Wikipedia : Bohemian Grove
Bohemian Grove is a 2,700-acre (1,100 ha) campground located at 20601 Bohemian Avenue, in Monte Rio, California, belonging to a private San
Francisco-based men's art club known as the Bohemian Club.
In mid-July each year, Bohemian Grove hosts a three-week encampment of some of the most powerful men in the world.
From all the different perspectives I have read here on ATS and elsewhere, people see that as everything from Devil worshipping to blatant ignored
pot-smoking and rabblerousing of the elite, yet it goes on quietly.
I realize it is one event but it was the one you mentioned here.
Nixon Tape Discusses Homosexuals at Bohemian Grove
I can agree with you about our discussion of things as being a good start, many people have stated as such, and I am not calling for violent nor
illegal action, but when will action of a more political type start?
Yes, we are all of different political ideologies, spanning each and every one of them.
We are all so various, so unique, so free-thinking, yet nothing ever comes of it.
There are factions among us, various people of different countries, some demanding violent retribution, some speaking of not voting, others speaking
of just speaking, but none ever speaking of actual political action.
Well political ideology unite us, or even religion for that matter, or inaction?
Word are fine, but as I stated to someone last week, words without actions are but hollow gestures, and I see hollow gestures as futile in the end.
In the end, I do see this community as one with intelligence, but it contains ignorance as well, masked as action, through the illusion that talking
and never doing more than that will make a change, because ultimately either we are going to talk, and act ignorantly, or act with considerable
intelligence.
I see violent means of doing anything as quite silly if it is not directly provoked.
Violence only leads to more violence in answer and in the ends it does nothing.
Except show us as animalistic without merit of controlling ourselves in the end.
We see actions like Oliver North and it infuriates us but nothing was done beforehand.
Why not know what Government is doing through intelligent means?
Instead of just relying upon a secret to be exposed we have to know before hand, otherwise, we are merely playing catch-up or pick-up-sticks.
Thi is why I strongly encourage people to know what actions happen though knowledge of Government, on all levels, of each country, because ultimately
we cannot just sit around waiting for them to confirm our fears, by then it will be far, far too late, we have to take initiative.
And the right kind of initiatve has to be taken and that to me is political.
If people fear the elections are rigged, volunteer atelection time, if people fear Congress is speaking without representating our interests, go to
Washington D.C. and watch the process, if people fear the local and couny Law Enforcement is corrupt, prove it through documentation.
I do not remember a time where you have ever gone off on me once on any thread.
As to your comment about slavery, it might have been fortuitous you mentioned that, whether historical in nature, or rhetorically through verbiage,
Human Trafficking is a horrendous crime in itself, but what of it, if no one does anything
about it, and better yet, the action that is done is not by our choices?
But by our not choosing to do something?
If you remember in my opening post I included the bio-chip manufactured by both corporations,
Verichip and
Digital Angel, because that is the
politicans answers to our demands of stopping
Illegal Immigration, because of our complaing, whining, and bitching.
Take care lest you get exactly what you ask for and what you get is not what you want.
Here is my exact point that people want things solved for them but never step forward to be the solution instead of bitching they can lead people.
Yet people on ATS and elsewhere decry they will not wear this slave collar, but they do nothing about it, except write and speak ill of it, disagree
on how it will be implemented, why it will be implemented, or if it will be implemented, yet politically they did nothing to stop it and everything to
cause it.
The cause of it is simply through inaction and demanding action, they have allowed it to manifest itself in a form which they rile, rant, and rave
about.
RFID Coverage: Mexican Police Chipped
Yet they deny it will happen and it is happening on the other side of our border.
The mention of
Applied Digital Solutions is referenced there is it not, and it is
connected to both
Verichip,
Digital Angel, and
Destron Fearing.
Yet no one is screaming and pointing their fingers at Mexico now are they?
Because it is not on our soil, yet, but our neighbors, right next door.
So, are we the cattle, sheeple, or human through the
Hive Mind?
Quote from : Wikipedia : Groupthink
Groupthink is a type of thought within a deeply cohesive in-group whose members try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically
testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas.
It is a second potential negative consequence of group cohesion.
Irving Janis studied a number of American Foreign policy 'disasters' such as failure to anticipate the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (1944); the
Bay of Pigs fiasco (1961) when the US adminstration sought to overthrow Cuban Government of Fidel Castro; and the prosecution of the Vietnam War
(1964-67) by President Lyndon Johnson.
Studying these events that it was the cohesive nature of these important committees which made these decisions and which prevented contradictory views
being expressed.
As defined by Janis, “A mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' strivings
for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action”.
Individual creativity, uniqueness, and independent thinking are lost in the pursuit of group cohesiveness, as are the advantages of reasonable balance
in choice and thought that might normally be obtained by making decisions as a group.
During groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking.
A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members
of the group.
Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance.
The term is frequently used pejoratively, in hindsight.
Additionally, it is difficult to assess the quality of decision making in terms of outcomes all the time, but one can almost always evaluate the
quality of the decision-making process.
Because
groupthink without action is what got this ball started.
And landed the laws acting as the moral undertones, backbone, and legalization of the bio-chip, yet we decry foul as if we did anything to stop it.
We did nothing but allow it to happen through our inactions.
Quote from : Wikipedia : Real ID Act
The REAL ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, was an Act of Congress that modified U.S. federal law pertaining to
security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and identification (ID) cards, as well as various
immigration issues pertaining to terrorism.
The law set forth certain requirements for state driver's licenses and ID cards to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes",
as defined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
The Secretary of Homeland Security has defined "official purposes" as presenting state driver's licenses and identification cards for boarding
commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants.
The REAL ID Act implements the following:
Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.
Establishing new national standards for state-issued driver licenses and non-driver identification cards.
Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.
Introducing rules covering "delivery bonds" (rather like bail bonds but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).
Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorist activity.
Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.
As of April 2, 2008, all 50 states have either applied for extensions of the original May 11, 2008 compliance deadline or received unsolicited
extensions.
As of October 2009, 25 states have approved either resolutions or binding legislation not to participate in the program, and with President Obama's
selection of Janet Napolitano (a prominent critic of the program) to head the Department of Homeland Security, the future of the law remains
uncertain, and bills have been introduced into Congress to amend or repeal it.
The most recent of these, dubbed PASS ID, would eliminate many of the more burdensome technological requirements but still require states to meet
federal standards in order to have their ID cards accepted by federal agencies.
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Because our talking and doing nothing lead to this law being passed by political non-action.
