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California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs


www.latimes.com

Reporting from Sacramento — California welfare recipients are able to use state-issued debit cards to withdraw cash on gaming floors in more than half of the casinos in the state, a Los Angeles Times review of records found.

The cards, provided by the Department of Social Services to help recipients feed and clothe their families, work in automated teller machines at 32 of 58 tribal casinos and 47 of 90 state-licensed poker rooms, the review found.
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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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This makes sense. We have people who are unable to clothe and feed themselves and are thus on government assistance and the State of California makes it possible for them to go to casinos and withdraw cash in those accounts to be used for that purpose.

No wonder California is going bankrupt.

Why we have welfare and food stamps in the form of an electronic cards, making them indistinguishable from a normal credit card is beyond me. It carrys no stigma. To the extent that welfare is needed for housing, the person should be issued a housing voucher that can be used for no other purpose. They should be issued restrictive food vouchers that can only be used for nutritional foodstuffs, not the high-end things you see folks using foodstamps to buy today.

Gambling is an activity that has addictive aspects to it. Why would we make it possible for welfare recipients to gamble, essentially faciliting an activity that potentially causes more problems and hence more requirements on the part of the government.

Living in a state with Indian casinos run by tribes with enormous political clout, I would not be surprised at all of casino lobbying was involved in this at some point. I know that in Washington the tribes are among, if not the largest political interest group.

It will be interesting to see how this develops. There is no doubt that folks will come out with the notion that denying welfare recipients to access casino cash is a violation of their rights. Its just a matter of time

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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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KI didn't even need to read the OP.
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Yes I was being an idiot, sorry, please forgive me.

After reading.

As for the issue at hand I am on the fence and here's why.

My best friend/brother who does not gamble a lot, maybe 3 times a year and does not recieve any assistance even unemployment was two months behing on his mortgage, everything was going wrong. He has 6 kids.

Him and his fiancée took the last 100 dollars they had won over 1090 dollars paid two payments plus bought some food.

It saved him, there are responsible people who get in jams and should have that option.

Lets not pretend you can make ends meet easily on welfare, even with a Spartan lifestyle.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by ISHAMAGI]

[edit on 24-6-2010 by ISHAMAGI]



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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I think the point is that they should not be pulling cash from machines when the stores that has the products needed to feed and buy clothes for their families accept the cards.


 
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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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It differs by state. Here for instance, you take your bridge card to the supermarket and can ONLY purchase food items with it. You can't even get a bottle of shampoo or a toothbrush with it, it is only good for food. Pretty dang clever if you ask me!



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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Perhaps you should read the article. The cards don't work in 50% of the casinos and poker rooms, hence the cards have been disabled in some of them.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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Now this idea makes sense. Though I do think they should be able to get shampoo and a tooth brush, they should not be able to use them for non-neccesity items.


 
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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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well here in da mitt they break it all up....you get so much a month for food, section 8 government assisted housing, and then i think you get an allowance for other necessities such as shampoo, toothbrush etc. I'm not so certain as far as that aspect of it goes, but I know the bridge card aka food card and section 8 housing are separated.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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I stood in a store once and watched a lady pay for a gentlemans groceries on her "card". He then turned around and handed her the money, he would have spent, she paid for her groceries with cash, oh btw, most of her groceries consisted of alcohol and cigarettes.

The cashier just laughed and said, well, there's one way to do it.


There is always a way around the system, it will never be perfect. I just thank God for my job and that I don't have to depend on my government for assistance. I am glad it is there for those who do need it and don't abuse it.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:46 AM
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Yeah, I agree with the OP. Target the money.

I can't tell you how many of the cards we gave out to the Katrina evacuees went immediately to use in the liquor store across the street. That's just and example and not a judgment and I'm not saying I blame them for needing a drink after what they'd been through.

It does vary by state, though, as someone said. In some states, you can't buy anything not on an approved list, but that 1.) typically puts the onus on the retailer to enforce and 2.) still allows for trading the allowed goods for cash. I'm not sure how to completely get around this, but there are ways to curtail it.

California, being in the dire financial straits that it's always in these last few years, really ought to reconsider the way they run their programs.

If I were in charge of the world, I'd make sure that citizens down on their luck or in need of assistance got a minimum of nutritious food, shelter, clothing, toiletries, transportation (where needed), education, job assistance, and medical care. Gambling, alcohol, and other non-necessities sure wouldn't be on my list.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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wow, i'm honestly surprised that they were allowed to get away with that. i guess it's a little different wherever you go, and i think stores here are pretty much tight a***s about the whole thing to protect their businesses from any kind of fines that they might incur for being lazy about it.

the new phenomenon that i've been witnessing here lately are these people living in section 8 housing....dumpy apartment buildings and all....who own Escalades and Mustangs. That's one that i'm still trying to wrap my head around, I just don't understand how they're able to swing that. I think alot of it has to do with dealing drugs to be honest.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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Wow this is just crazy.

So they can't use their cards in the poker rooms? Big surprise there, casinos make peanuts in the poker rooms, only taking a small percentage of each pot through a rake, or by dealer tips. We will accept your card for house games and machines but not the tables in the poker room... The house always wins.

I am surprised they don't have some kind of blocker on the cards or registers that would only allow people to buy food, and or hygiene products, or even a law against cheating the system. They have blockers and laws on everything else.



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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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i think the state is missing out on a good revenue opportunity. They could just offer lottery tickets instead of a check in the mail. Step right up! Which nutshell is the pea under?

Ever got stuck in line behind a scratcher at the convenience store? Those guys can scratch the new tickets before the old ones are cashed in! Biggest sucker bet around.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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I lived in California, had one of those cards, and have used it at a casino.

Is someone "on welfare" not allowed to have any fun activities? Or is it ok if they do, but they don't use that money?

We moved to California with the clothes on our back. My wife was pregnant and due to how far along she was most places wouldn't hire her because she would work for a month, then need maternity leave.

I got a job about a week after we moved there, but what I made was in no way enough to support a pregnant woman, 2 year old child, and myself in California's economy.

So we signed up for "welfare", and I will say that atleast at the time California had some strict standards for receiving aid.

I don't know your perception of people on "welfare", but atleast for myself it wasn't the "hell yeah all these suckers are paying for my groceries" moment many seem to think it is when pulling out your shiny welfare card to pay for your groceries. Atleast for myself it was kind of embarrasing, and added to my depression the fact that I couldn't afford to feed my family.

At one point my wife got a job, at a casino. And I'd show up and hour before she got off and spend 20$ gambling. Sometimes I'd use money from my check, sometimes I'd take 20 off the card. Not long after working there was she making enough for us to be "removed" from the "welfare system".

I don't really care how you look at my situation, rather you think I cheated the system by spending 20 at the casino, or think it was within my rights because I earned the money by being poor and following the rules.

The point is the broad stroke of generalization. Just like with anything when you have violations that go unchecked the offenders will have a ball with the system. I don't think even the majority of people in the system regularly abuse it but I'm sure that everyone does what's necessary to survive.

Saying the majority of welfare recipients abuse the system is the same as saying the majority of ATS users are mentally unstable. Its a broad generalization that on the surface may seem true, but is hardly based in any facts.

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posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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Unfortunately a lot of those people have their priorities mixed up...I've seen people on various assistance programs, who do not buy food/clothes for their kids but have shiny new rims on their car or new air jordan shoes or whateva..

The ultimate underlying issue is a lack of personal responsibility, and that is contributing to the fall of America and the rise of the socialist police state, where big brother watches you and cares for you if you give up some of those pesky little constitutional rights



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Quick, let's raise our taxes so we can give more money to the poor.

After all, the poor only need a chance to make it.

It's not like people want to view welfare as a lifestyle is it?



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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yes there are people who abuse the system. There always will be. But those who actually get a better life from it don't make the news. There are twice as many people who use the money to buy food.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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That might be and you might be a rare case who has gotten off the system. Yes, you are allowed to have fun and enjoy yourself, no one ever said anything other than that.

The thing is though you are in a sense borrowing money though from others when you are using the system. I do not know about you but when I loan someone money I want them to use it in a responsible way. Maybe getting food, clothes, gas, or something that can give them some sort of use other than a good time. If you want a good time, you ask for money for that, if the person you are asking deems it a good choice you get it if not you do not. So in a sense those you borrow from deem whether or not your spending choice is wise for you, that is life, at least in my neck of the woods.

Think of it how you will but there is a saying that goes “beggars can’t be choosers” that is basically how it is. If you are asking for help in the form of finances those helping should have a say in how it is spent.

As I said I will buy anyone food, or whatever is necessary for them to live. Sorry to say but gambling and losing money that I just gave you does not fit into that category. Just like I think people on assistance should be drug tested as well. I have to pass a test to get and hold a job and get money they should have to pass one also.

Raist



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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The main point of the article was not that the cards are being used at these places, but that the machines in some casinos/gaming rooms need to be programmed to lock them out. What was also stupid was that the contractor's machines at these sites were listed on the state website.

The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. It's either an honest, dumb mistake, or the contractor/places of business is taking advantage of the system, not caring who is using the machine.

Thankfully the problem was brought up by the reporter, and will be addressed.

we have to make sure food stamps and other services are being used the way the people of California intended them to be," said Shannon Murphy, spokeswoman for Assembly Speaker John A. Pérez (D- Los Angeles). "Other states have closed this loophole, and the Assembly will work with the Schwarzenegger administration to make that happen."


What worried me was thinking two things. One, was this loophole in a bill written by a lobbyist and rubber stamped by the legislature? And, if this could happen so easily and so unknowingly to officials, what about the electronic voting machines? It's all in the programming.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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What worried me was thinking two things. One, was this loophole in a bill written by a lobbyist and rubber stamped by the legislature? And, if this could happen so easily and so unknowingly to officials, what about the electronic voting machines? It's all in the programming.


70 percent of the electronic voting machines are owned by one corporation.

Yes, not only do they own THE POLITICIANS....BUT THEY OWN THE DAMN MACHINES THAT COUNT THE VOTES.



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