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posted on Jul, 13 2002 @ 10:40 PM
Whats the deal with Illuminati's? Who / what are they?

posted on Jul, 15 2002 @ 05:01 PM

Actually, The Illuminati is what is referred to as THE world-girdling "secret-society" conspiracy that seeks to put a very few number of people in charge of the whole world...By whatever means necessary; Economic, political, social, etc.

Historically speaking, search out some info on the Bavarian Illuminati founded by Adam Weshaupt.

posted on Jul, 16 2002 @ 08:14 AM
I am truely looking for answers, and there really isn't much info. There is absolutely no meat to any of the information (proof). It's kind of like UFO's there is lots of "stories" but not one good picture. I tend to believe these organizations(if you want to call them that) existed or exist even today. I'm having trouble finding the real truth and that makes me question even more. One thing that I have noticed is many of the links no longer exist pretaining to these subjects and the ones that do either are so Right Wing or so weird that to me they don't have any validity. My firewall program goes crazy when I go to those sites as well. I'm not normally a paraniod person but I think I'm into something that certian people don't want us into.

posted on Jul, 16 2002 @ 09:01 AM
The other thing that usually happens is that webhosts (the ones with the free webspace) will nuke your site if you don't update it for a long period of time.

This happens whether your site is about UFOs, Pomeranian dogs, collecting bottlecaps, fannish adoration of a soap opera, or whatever. Your favorite search engine may not get the hint that the site is toast for half a year after it's gone... or longer.

And sometimes folks get disgusted and move their sites. Sometimes their host site goes out of business.

404s aren't that significant. Look at the number of MLM pages that have gone 404 in the past 2 years (thousands and thousands (truth!))

posted on Aug, 3 2002 @ 04:36 PM
you have the LDD, the Jams, ELF, A.A. (yes i know that its written differently than that) and anyone who just screws with authority. Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law

posted on Aug, 4 2002 @ 03:13 PM
I've said it many times now. Thats just one illumination of the illuminati, they aren't secret. Many organizarions call themselves the illuminati, or support the order of a one world socialism, but it is NOT a secret society! THE WHOLE WORLD is the illuminated, thus, the illuminati...The ORDER of the Illuminati is the secret society, and they are the inner circle of the Freemasons...Any 33 degree or higher freemason is an Illuminati Ordo Member, but only few, as in probably less than 10 members, are the true masters of magic and the all seeing luciferian eye.

posted on Aug, 4 2002 @ 04:12 PM
lucifer (light-bringer) is a name commonly assossciated with satan, so are you siding with 'truth' or denouncing the 'eye' as 'evil' doesnt really matter, im just wondering.

posted on Aug, 4 2002 @ 10:08 PM
Well, The Order of the Illuminati is evil...they have taken a perfectly good symbol(the third all seeing eye of enlightment) and turned it into their symbol, thus, some would consider it evil...but no, I use it to represent them, as well as use it to discribe the third eye that EVERYONE has. People simply dunnot know how to open their third eye...and no, its not a physical third eye, it has to do with enlightment of the mind and soul...its like the Nazi symbol, it was good, then used by evil, but all in all it simply means something not evil.

Also, the Grandmasters, the few 33rd degrees that know what they're part of, are illuminated themselves! They think they're enlighted, but in actuallity they're channeling their energy through another source, thus only using magic. Magic is when you channel your energy threw another being, and as that being is evil, that is an evil practice. Also, using magic allows you to do more things then just using your mind, but those things are evil as well. True enlightment of the mind allows you to do the same stuff taking the evil abilities of course, only you're the being using the energy, thus no evil is being used. You see, there are 8 circuits, or tunnel realities of the mind...the average person only uses four. Illuminatus(Grandmasters) only use the average four, and like I said, channel their energy through evil beings...goths, or whomever practices magic, is channeling their energy through Grandmasters, who are channeling their energy through evil beings, thus, now you know why magic is evil.

posted on Aug, 19 2002 @ 03:14 PM
Listen to the videos I have posted on my latest treat and it will explain all!!

posted on Aug, 19 2002 @ 08:58 PM
For some reason, any time that a single person says, "I can explain it all", I get highly skeptical...After all, if the Illuminati is supposed to have such wide-spread influence, then the only ones who *could* "explain it all" would, by definition, have to be on the *inside* of the Illuminati...

...Or seriously deluded...Or trying to pull some kind of scam...Or...

posted on Aug, 25 2002 @ 08:23 PM
'good' and 'evil' are terms used to rein in the masses by those who wish control. evil is usually depicted as entities who give man knowledge, with which he plans and plots to destroy everyone else and get them to do as he says, where the 'good' guys come in and destroy everyone else and get them to do only the 'good' they preach. 'evil' is so because of thought, 'good' is really just 'evil' in practice for a different name and differently worded causes.

posted on Sep, 4 2002 @ 05:27 PM
I just finished playing Deus Ex. I had no idea Illuminati and Magestic 12 were based on supposed 'real' agencies. And 'Unactco' in the game must have been based on Omega Agency. What I want to know is where's the proof these people exist? Which ones are more likely to be real?

posted on Sep, 5 2002 @ 08:02 AM
An Illuminati Outline of History

1700's - Illuminati (Adam Weishaupt-Founder, Jesuit Priest and Freemason) Illuminati name translated to "bearers of the light" - Lumen derived from Lucifer, ancient "angel of light" spoken of in the old testament.

1800's - FreeMason/Illuminati Organizations: Rothschilds/Jacob Schiff Nathan Rothschild vows to kill Czar of Russia and his family.

1900's - Illuminati: Rothschilds/Cune, Loeb & Co. (Jacob Schiff)/Rockefellers

1913 - Federal Reserve Act put into law by Rockefellers on Dec 24 1913. Only 3 congressmen were present as it was Christmas Eve.

1913 - 16th Amendment (IRS TAXES) added to Constitution.

1917 - Czar of Russia is killed by Bolshevik revolutionaries. Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin are financially backed by Jacob Schiff with 20M in Gold (paid by Rothschilds/Illuminati).

1920 - League of Nations proposed by Woodrow Wilson.

1921 - COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS (CFR) created by Rockefellers/New York, deemed as Illuminati Organization in US.

1921 - Royal Institute for International Affairs created by Rothschilds/London.

1929 - Rothschild/Rockefellers/Carnegie/Morgan (CFR) created stock market crash, worldwide depression ensues.

1933 - President Roosevelt (CFR) declares US. bankrupt - Signs over U.S. monetary power to world bankers (Rothschilds/Rockefellers - Illuminati)

1939 - Hitler Invades Poland - Financial backing by Rothschilds/Warburgs/Krupps.

1939 - Rothschild companies financially back both Hitler and Stalin for World War II.

1941 - US. enters World War II (planned by Rothschild/Schiff/Rockefeller/Roosevelt).

1945 - World War II ends - UNITED NATIONS created as solution to war.

1950 - Land donated for UN Headquarters/New York, by Rockefellers.

1953 - 1954 Founding of the Bildeberger Group - The executive committee of the Illuminati.

1950 - UN starts Korean War.

1959 - UN starts Vietnam War.

1963 - President Kennedy killed by One World conspirators - News media reports only one gunman (Lee Harvey Oswald) - 5 bullets found from different guns. Prime witnesses for multiple gunman theory found dead or missing.

1963 - Jack Ruby kills LeeHarvey Oswald - Ruby dies in jail of mysterious illness.

1967 - Martin Luther King killed.

1968 - Bobby Kennedy killed.

1971 - President Nixon (CFR) declares US. in state of emergency.

1973 - Nixon withdraws troops from Vietnam, bowing to extreme public pressure.

1973 - David Rockefeller forms TRILATERAL COMMISSION (TLC)/ New York.

1976 - Jimmy Carter (CFR) elected - Zbignew Brzezinski (CFR/TLC) appointed National Security Advisor. Five other high level members of president's staff all members of CFR/TLC.

1977 - Carter signs UN charter removing US. sovereignity under UN military command.

1977 - Benjamin Creme publishes books and speaks publicly about Maitreya, the new age Christ returning to earth.

1981 - Congressman Larry McDonald calls for comprehensive congressional investigation of the CFR and Trilateral Commission. Congress is urged to investigate these organizations. BR> 983 - Larry McDonald is killed along with 268 other passengers on Korean Air Lines (KAL) flight 007, shot down over Sakhalin Island in the Sea of Japan. All bodies recovered, except the bodies of the pilot and copilot. Some of the extremely suspicious information regarding KAL 007 include:

o Flight was off course with plenty of fuel. Commercial flights commonly take a short cut over Sakhalin when low on fuel. Radio response in Russian airspace commonplace, with Russian pilots monitoring path of commercial planes.

o Russian pilots radioed KAL 007 with no response from pilots.

o Russian pilots fired warning shots with visible tracers past cockpit, KAL pilots did no acknowledge warning shots or tracers.

o Two parachutes were seen by inhabitants of Aleutian islands prior to plane being shot down.

o Flight recorder recovered by US. submarine, data classified by CIA.

1983 - Andropov (USSR) dies of mysterious illness, Chernenko appointed.

1984 - Chernenko (USSR) dies, Gorbachev appointed USSR Secretary General.

1985 - Gorbachev introduces Glasnost and Perestroika to USSR.

1986 - Chernobyl (Wormwood) nuclear disaster. USSR requests massive massive aid from USA and Germany. Public opinion of USSR swayed.

1988 - George Bush (CFR/TLC/FreeMason) elected president.

1989 - Berlin Wall falls - East Germans pour into West Germany. US military is regarded as "obsolete" by media organizations.

1990 - UN starts Gulf War. President Bush verbally announces a "NEW WORLD ORDER" on TV.

1991 - Fake coup attempt of Gorbachev in Soviet Union. Yeltsin named leader.

1991 - Yeltsin elected president of Russia. Crisis in Bosnia develops. Russia is now seen as US ally and friend. Disarmament of US military technology starts.

1992 - President Clinton (CFR/TLC) elected president. Orders US military base closures. Orders gays to be allowed into the military/raises taxes/implements NAFTA/signs bill allowing US troops to be under UN command. Sends US troops overseas to Bosnia/Somalia/Germany/Peru. Begins dismantling military equipment and bases in US. Signs bills allowing illegal house to house search and seizure, signs bills removing our 2nd amendment rights, proposes national computer ID via health care card, signs bills allowing wiretaps of any phone/modem/or fax. Proposes "Clipper" chip on computers to allow tracking of data by government. Allows Russian and East German military equipment to be brought on US soil.

1992 - Los Angeles riots started from incedent on Florence and Normandy. Many buildings professionally torched in a very logical, military- style action. National Guard called out. Citizens introduced to FEMA organization as friend and ally to the public. Citizens take up arms to protect their own businesses, and are ARRESTED by federal agents. Media portrays event as gang created and instills great fear in public. Gang leaders claim no responsibility for building torchings - not publicized in media.

1993 - Gorbachev starts Gorbachev Foundation USA in the Presidio in San Franciso. Starts developing plans and strategies to disassemble all US military weaponry.

1993 - Russian and Nepalese Ghurkha combat troops begin military manouvers and training exercises on US soil. US citizens are alarmed but are regarded as "radical extremists".

1994 - Clinton proposes National Health Care. National ID card would be required.

1994 - H.R. 666 passed by congress allowing illegal search and seizure.

1994 - NAFTA implemented allowing US and Asian manufacturers to have plants in Mexico, where wages are controlled at poverty level and environmental requirements are not controlled or monitored.

1994 - GATT agreement signed and implemented.

1994 - Vladimir Zhirinovsky gains popularity in Russia based on his ultra nationalist platform. Zhirinovsky plans to take back all former Russian territories including Poland, Finland and Alaska and also plans a warm water sea port for Russia in the Indian Ocean. In his book "Last Dash To The South", Zhirinovsky states that when he becomes the new leader of Russia, he will kill all crime band leaders on the spot, with public executions without trials. He will pile up nuclear waste on the border of Lithuania and blow the radioactive vapors over them so they will all die. He also claims he will send a group of nuclear submarines to circle underwater around Japan and "if they so much as 'chirp' he will nuke them". Many claim Zhirinovsky has knowledge of UN takeover of the United States which is why he claims in his book "that the USA will collapse and will be without food and many people will immigrate to Europe and Russia".

1994 - Zhirinovsky regarded by many Christians as prophetic world leader to arise out of the east. Many claim that his birthplace in Alma Ata, Khazakhstan is purported to be the land of "Magog" described in the bible. His name (Vladimir) in Russian means "Ruler of The World" and his middle name (Wolfovich) means "Son of a Wild Canine". Zhirinovsky regarded as the New World Order version of Hitler or Stalin.

1994 - Various patriot and militia groups formed in USA, regarded as "psychos" and "kooks" by media. Militia of Montana distributes tapes and literature regarding New World Order movement. Linda Thomson forms American Justice Federation and distributes literature and videos showing Russian military equipment on US soil and UN controlled "concentration camps" complete with gas chambers, being constructed in Indiana. Linda exposes UN black helicopters on video tape. Her family is then continually harassed and UN black helicopters fly over her office and home.

1994 - Mark Koernke from Michigan distributes tapes and videos on militia movements, the New World Order and UN takeover of the US. Michigan Militia holds meetings.

1995 - UN black helicopters spotted in many states and all over California.

1995 - InfoPet injectable transponder introduced as a way to monitor pets. \Many Christian books and videos appear claiming that the injectable transponder is actually the "Mark of The Beast" prophesied in the Book of Revelation.

1995 - Bob Fletcher (former toy manufacturer, testified in Iran/Contra hearings, now currently working with Militia of Montana) produces video in febuary of 95 complete with actual video footage describing in great detail the New World Order Movement, world socialism, UN takeover of the United States, the CIA involvement in New World Order clandestine operations, injectable transponders, black helicopters and concentration camps in the United States. Bob Fletcher has multiple attemps made on his life, resulting in hospitalization and intensive care.

1995 - Federal building in Oklahoma City bombed. Government suggests possible link to patriot militia groups. Patriot groups claim government conspiracy relating to bombing. Government discredits and begins media assault on patriot organizations and militia groups.

1995 - Uni-bomber strikes 2 days after the Federal Building was bombed. Media does "blitz" on militia groups trying to portray them as dangerous and possibly behind these bombings. Prime Time Live, 20/20 and Nightline all carry cover stories of militia organizations attempting to portray them as a dangerous bunch of "kooks" and "paranoid-right-wing paramilitary" organizations. NBC, CBS and ABC simultaneously carry stories on local militia organizations in an attempt to scare the public.

1995 - President Clinton and Bob Dole sign bills enabling 1,000 more federal anti-terrorist agents and also implement tough new "anti-terrorist" legislation. Public opinion is swayed by Oklahoma and Uni-Bomber bombings to allow more freedoms to be taken away in favor of "tougher anti-terrorist" laws. Some patriot groups claim both bombings were created by the New World Order movement to scare the US public into accepting greater anti-gun control and greater "anti-terrorist" Federal control.

2002 - President Bush dispatches a shadow government of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work secretly outside Washington, activating for the first time long-standing plans to ensure survival of federal rule after catastrophic attack on the nations capital.

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posted on Sep, 5 2002 @ 09:25 AM
DE2 is due for release soon

posted on Sep, 12 2002 @ 04:09 PM
The Illuminati is a group seeking to free the world from, not put it into, such things as socialism, tribalism, and other forms of mass control. Members of the Illuminati have historically included men like John Adam's and Thomas Jefferson, who have fought valiantly to free the individual from the bounds of society. I will now post the Illuminati's Declaration of Individual Rights so you can see the basis for which they stand:

The Declaration of Individual Rights
by The Illuminati Order [originally written by John Adams]

Each individual has natural born rights, which no other person, entity or government of any kind may infringe. The respect and loyalty to these rights is the moral standard of the rational and just human beings.
The natural rights of the individual are:

1. The right to life.

2. The right to the pursuit of happiness.

3. The right to own property, intellectual and/or tangible.

4. The right to perform any action needed to ensure preservation/ending of the life of the self without damaging the environment of the planet. The environment belongs to all and endangering it violates the individual rights of others.

5. The right to earn a living through ones own efforts, mental or physical.

6. The right to live his/her life any way he/she likes without causing physical harm to another individual.

7. The right to defend his/her life and property and family.

8. The rights to have children, ONLY if he/she can guarantee food, shelter, clothing, safety and education for such and provide for any and all medical needs of such.

9. The right to conduct business with others based on mutual and/or contractual agreement.
10. The right to privacy in all forms.

These are the inalienable human rights inherited at birth.

The Absolute Value of Individual Rights

When we say that the Individual Rights are absolute then they are absolute!

The Individual Rights can never be suspended under any circumstances what so ever.

The Individual Rights cannot be infringed upon under any circumstances what so ever.

The Individual Rights cannot be suspended for any reason ever.

The Individual Rights cannot be violated or restricted in any way for any reason in any fashion, period.

The Individual Rights are absolute forever.

The Individual Rights are inalienable in every sense of the word and no business, contract or any other entity can ever violate them or seek to dilute them through contracts, deception or coercion.

The Individual Rights can never be refused or given up even voluntarily; no person has the right to wave their own individual rights as they are part of the very composition and existence of a conscious mind.

The Individual Rights are never and can never be considered semi-absolute or semi inalienable.

The Individual Rights and the rational human are sovereign over each other and absolutely inseparable.

The Individual Rights are the individual rights of every single human being regardless of gender, sexual orientation or color of skin.

Any person who does not agree with this is a person who has forfeited their right to exist as they have rejected the rights of others.

If you agree with the above you are here by recognized as an Illuminati in the 1st

Footnote: The Declaration of Individual Rights was written by John Adams and preserved in the Illuminati Order Library. It has been slightly edited to represent modern English but the content and context is true to John's original works. It was not made public by John as it was too liberal and would have caused him and his friends too much political harm. So the Order approved The Bill of Rights instead. John Adams believed in the application of the scientific method, with minor variations, to every aspect of life; this was a view the Order also agreed with.

posted on Sep, 13 2002 @ 03:32 AM
This also is a view of the Order:
The ends justifies the means.
It's absurd to say, I don't care how they got there, as long as they did. Evil can counterfeit just about anything, but the One Truth. Would you want to follow the leader with blood tainted luggage on their back, not sure if they might do what previously, they have done in the past. That's not the total point though.

Two wrongs make a right.
Doesn't even make sense.

Out of Chaos comes Order.
Oh... deception, I sure want all my leaders built on it.[sarcastic]

I don't believe they deserve the golden chair, the last kingdom, etc. But it's not for me to judge. God is my judge as with all others. I can just compare with His Word, test the spirits so to speak. Order is truly God's right.

I've been too interested in illuminati and the like, for too long. But, I'll tell what I already know. There are followers of the goddess ERIS (SIRE backwards, and Greek god of confusion) and her principia discordia bible which summed up in a short sentence, speaks of Satan/illumitists/greyface wanting to impose order to have the world their way, speaking half truths to get it until their full truth is disclosed to install their Order the way they see it.(the way man sees it)

Then their is some followers of ERIS ,scattered about in numbers, who are bound by lunacy and fun and claim to be against the curse of greyface/order, because it's not their order at the moment or the curse of greyface as they put it. Thus, Eris followers are against Order/Seriousness and counteract with no seriousness. Are you all following me? Order vs. Chaos, yet Order uses Chaos to sustain the Order that is now upon us and the illuminati has been upon us for some time. Look around! Unsaid ideas, Logo's, their framework. Open your eyes. Anyway, I don't know why I'm so interested in researching either one of them, but I have been in the past. I just wanted to touch on the subject to see what you all had to bring to the table. Tyler, I know you know some... come on! All and all, I believe these groups are both tools being used by Baal. He injected the notion in man's head that we alone, may bring order to the world, when only One TRUTH can really bring ORDER!

[Edited on 13-9-2002 by pacman]

[Edited on 13-9-2002 by pacman]

posted on Sep, 13 2002 @ 04:01 AM
You know nothing of the order, which is shown through you lack of proof. If you make claims back them up. Where is your documentation that the order follows any God/Godess? I have heard so many idiotic claims by Jehova worshipers who like Abraham would murder their own children, but never any proof. You have to believe in Jehova before you can believe in Satan. The only thing that the IO says about satan is that in the mystic religious myths he is the one on mans side while the merciful god rapes, pilages, murders, robs, punishes (through other men), and demands eternal worship from men.

posted on Sep, 14 2002 @ 01:56 AM
If something is "illuminated" it is lit up. It is bright. One may think that these people are "enlightened". But they are not. They are simply "illuminated". The moon is illuminated. The sun's light is reflected off of the moon and ILLUMINATES it, therefore, the moon's "light" is false. Much as the "enlightened" light is false. They know nothing. It is the one's that are higher that know.

posted on Sep, 15 2002 @ 02:33 PM
You know nothing of the order)
Alright, then you must know all about the illuminati, you're tone implies it. And what I'm asking for is a summarization, not just a couple lines of info. "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining!"

FAITH, MrBrown, faith! You seem intellegent and to have knowledge about the illuminati(light bearers of baal). The statue of liberty was a gift from a France(architect was french mason) and believe it or not, symbolized freedom from God as well. Well what do you know? Please share with us your knowledge of them. In most of your posts, I see you like a teacher standing behind the pupil and smacking them on the hand saying, "You're wrong, do it again!" Could you enlighten us to your side of the coin and build your case versus tear down on others? I can see you don't side with spiritual christians, that's fine, but God(Yahweh) is also about balance. Free will, justice, and faith. He is a Just God in being if He stepped in on one consideration of evil, he would have to stop it all at the same time. Then we lose our free will. Which is a better bridge of love than just giving us what you might say, uhggmm... elementry love.

How come you seem to know the answers about illuminati? Are you a part of bavarian illuminati group? In it for profit as you said elsewhere? Hmmm. Not that I expect a straight answer, but I must have faith.

[Edited on 15-9-2002 by pacman]

posted on Sep, 15 2002 @ 02:53 PM

Originally posted by joebrown
The Illuminati is a group seeking to free the world from, not put it into, such things as socialism, tribalism, and other forms of mass control. Members of the Illuminati have historically included men like John Adam's and Thomas Jefferson, who have fought valiantly to free the individual from the bounds of society. I will now post the Illuminati's Declaration of Individual Rights so you can see the basis for which they stand:

There are dozens of organisations and thousands of individuals who like to be called Illuminati.

Let me just say that you don't know dick about secret societies. I suggest you sit down and listen what other have to say.
You have been here for a few days and i understand your very excited about everything but keep your bull# meter down please. And research subject before participating in the discussions.
Now go to your room.

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