MA elementary school distributing condoms to students

reply to post by airspoon


Anyone who has ever had experience with a 5 year old can tell you that they aren't even capable of telling you what they want for supper, or how much candy is "too much" never mind even discussing the topic of sex. (other than "good touch"/"bad touch")

Something weird and sick is going on in the media that has been changing our course towards sexualizing our children. Look at some of the clothes these young girls are wearing lately. I was at my daughters house last year and they had this dance thing on Nickelodeon and they had a bunch of 10-12 year olds wearing skin tight shiny latex pants dancing to some sex oriented song and they looked like a bunch of hookers.

What is happening at this school is only a symptom of what is being created by TPTB. I think they are a bunch of pedophiles and have some really weird long term goals.

We need to take our world back....my god what has this world become?

Back when I was in school and they offered sex education, you had to have your parents sign a paper. All parents were notified, they did not have to attend any special meetings. If the parent didn't want the child to learn from school, the child was not allowed to attend those classes. And we were not offered condoms.

I agree with Airspoon and understand his points completely. It is the right of every parent to decide, not the schools.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Something weird and sick is going on in the media that has been changing our course towards sexualizing our children. Look at some of the clothes these young girls are wearing lately. I was at my daughters house last year and they had this dance thing on Nickelodeon and they had a bunch of 10-12 year olds wearing skin tight shiny latex pants dancing to some sex oriented song and they looked like a bunch of hookers.

What is happening at this school is only a symptom of what is being created by TPTB. I think they are a bunch of pedophiles and have some really weird long term goals.

We need to take our world back....my god what has this world become?

That's another issue. I agree that many children today are not dressing age appropriate. People don't allow kids to be kids anymore. What ever happened to childhood and innocence?

If a child takes a condom does the school notify the parents? I think they should.

This is pathetic, kids are going up too fast due to irresponsible/ lazy parents and the children of these sh*t parents are corrupting kids that are otherwise decent.

Too much lady gaga this, promiscuous that, "ke$ha" and the whole gang that encourages people to have sex with as many partners as you can.

reply to post by airspoon


i agree that children that age are too young to have sex but lets face it.
it happens regardless these days. at least by giving them condoms less children will come down with diseases and it will help avoid many various problems

I seen this on the news and the reporter asked some one that works at the school if they would give a condom to a 7 year old and the woman just laughed and said "well no what would they do with it make it into a balloon?"

I dont think they ment for kids to have condoms.
cant find a link to the video :\


BTW hello ATS new here

Come on - I know most of you have read Brave New World...
This sounds more incremental than accidental.

There is plenty of time to encourage pre-teens to experiment sexually, we don't need to rush things. Everything is coming along nicely.
We will destroy the family unit but we can't do it all at once... and we can't do it without your "help", please just sit back and let "our" social systems take care and responsibility for y"our" children.
You have plenty of sparkly lights and shiney things to concern yourself with so you shouldn't mind - in fact you will cry out for it.
Children's minds are too valuable to let parents mess them up anymore - you can't be trusted with our little socialists.
Your great grandchildren won't give it a second thought if YOU don't.

reply to post by airspoon



Does anyone else foresee a streak of random, malicious water balloonings in the future of this school?

The moment society starts lining up with episodes of South Park is the moment we can be sure that common sense has forsaken us.

Would someone please explain what the age range of this school is please? Oh and how x grade corresponds to age?

Originally posted by Blanca Rose


It happens even before 13, and it's not ok. When I was living near Duluth, there were many children left at home for long hours at a time, because parents had to travel a long distance for work, and if the weather was bad, sometimes they couldn't even make it home.

My daughter who was in High School at the time had a friend with an 11 year old sister that got pregnant. She had the baby, while she was still 11, so that means she was barely that age when she got pregnant. The father was the same age!

While I'm on the subject, I knew kids who were having sex at 12 and 13 years of age while I was growing up, in a pretty well to do area of the Chicago burbs.

It's not just about educating children at that age, or giving them condoms! It's about supervising them, and making sure they are kept busy enough to have other things on their minds!

Aren't there laws against children having sex that old? Who goes to jail, just the boy? I've seen boys go to jail for having sex with 15 yo girls when the girl not only was the instigator, but continued to pursue the boy until they were talked into it. I think sex laws need to be changed.

reply to post by MBF



In that situation, neither one of them went to jail, because they were both underage, being 11 years of age. The family of the girl kept the baby, but the family of the boy moved out of state.

Originally posted by des9996
...try all you want, but they are smarter than you and will find a way to do what they want, whether you approve or not.

So basically what you're saying is that you were smarter than you are now when you were a teenager.

You know a big part of the problem with kids these days are grown-ups who teach them to believe that they are actually smarter than their parents and teachers, and other grown-ups, and that they only get stupider with time.

Enjoy your wisdom children, when you get older to be like us grown-ups, you're all gonna be listening to your children, because you're all just gonna be as unintelligent as we are when you get to be our age.

It says condoms are available to those who ask for them.

So if a fifth grader asks for a condom you are to:
1. Tell their parents and refuse them a condom.
2. Refuse them a condom.
3. Give them a condom.

Here's the problem with #1. In this case the school nurse is playing the role of a tattle. So the reputation they get is "you can't talk to the nurse about anything 'down there' cause they'll tell mom and dad" lets say a fifth grader gets raped by one of their teachers, and now they have herpes. They'll be afraid to tell the school nurse about their gentile warts because the nurse will tell their parents and their parents could for instance disown them for "being a whore."

#2 is currently the status quo. In this case the scenario of #1 is avoided. However if a fifth grader goes to the school nurse and asks for a condom, and the nurse responds "sorry we don't have any condoms" then they could get the impression that this means contrary to what they might have hard somewhere else they don't need to bother using a condom when they have sex.

Under scenario #3, when they ask for a condom they get a condom as well as a pamphlet or lecture on how to use a condom, safe sex, and the consequences of not practicing safe sex. The problem with scenario #3 has been gone over in detail in this thread. "Children shouldn't be having sex, elementary school is way too young. This encourages sex."

Now what should be pointed out, is that the arguments being used against this policy in an elementary school are the same arguments used against this policy in a high school.

Now of course there's a difference. If I had a 17 year old son, and he told me that he got lucky with this girl, I would ask questions like "so what's she like? you planning on seeing her again?"

If I had a 8 year old son, who told me the same thing, then the situation would be very very different.

That being said, it's hard to draw a bright line.

Finally I wanted to note that calling the school superintendent a pedo is a retarded ad hominem attack.

EDIT: To clarify, I believe that the problem with giving out condoms to children that age, is that an activity that should be condemned isn't condemned. For instance, if I tell my parents I've been doing coc aine lately. They'll condemn that on the spot, perhaps even call the cops.

However I agree with the school's policy, because a nurse plays a very different role from a parent. If I tell my doctor I've been doing coc aine recently, then he's going to give me the information I need to take care of my health, and he certainly won't tell my parents or the cops.

ANOTHER EDIT:
Actually patent doctor confidentiality is void if the person is believed to be a danger to themselves or others. It might be the case that legally if a child asks for a condom, that's them threatening to have sex. Since a child can't consent to sex, then they're announcing that they're a danger to themselves, since they plan on being raped in the near future.

[edit on 25-6-2010 by scwizard]

Lets say this get 'accepted' nation wide. What then? What kind of message is that sending? The Schools can do a parents job better than the parent?

And if so, what's next? More control over your kids that you do not have any say in because the schools are Government run. This will lead an indoctrination that it's o.k. for Government to control every aspect of a kids life. As the kid grows up, he will believe this is fair and just and he will not have any concept of personal individual freedoms that we have today or that this country was founded on.

That's my fear.

[edit on 25-6-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Young kids having babies, who, themselves are still in diapers. What the hell is going on in today's world! Is it the case of "Only In America?" I think that all of the parents (of the children) should protest out side of the school. Something has to be done about it, before it will be "just apart of today's society."

reply to post by gordonwest


And what would they be protesting, exactly?

Who would participate in such a protest?

Would that be parents so worried about their children asking for a condom that they would instead leave them no option (assuming having sex is already a given) but to have unprotected sex?

Would that be the "bad" parents everyone keeps mentioning here?

I guess I'm just trying to see what the result and consequences of such a protest would be. As I understand it, this was recommended by the local health department to stop the spread of a disease that was epidemic.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by gordonwest

 

And what would they be protesting, exactly?

Who would participate in such a protest?

Would that be parents so worried about their children asking for a condom that they would instead leave them no option (assuming having sex is already a given) but to have unprotected sex?

Would that be the "bad" parents everyone keeps mentioning here?

I guess I'm just trying to see what the result and consequences of such a protest would be. As I understand it, this was recommended by the local health department to stop the spread of a disease that was epidemic.

With respect. "Protesting" about the fact that KIDS are having sex. I thought the best Idea would be to educate the young kids AND parents about sex.

I started puberty by 8...I knew the VERY rough basics of sex by that age...I knew what I had, and the general area it was meant to go. (God knows how I knew that though). I had a sex drive by 8.

But I was shy. If I hadn't been I have no doubt I would have had sex before the age of 10... luckily for me at 10 I discovered porn. (Yes people porn STOPPED me having sex whatever you like to think of it)

Now, assuming I hadn't been shy and indeed had sex...which is the better scenario.

1. I get the girl pregnant and she has the baby.
2. I get the girl pregnant and she loses the baby.
3. I know nothing of STDs so sleep around and a number of people in my year end up with an STD.
4. I have sex but have been given a condom because I asked for one, which will significantly reduce the risk of pregnancy and also receive a panflet telling me more about sex, and the risks involved.


Now granted this is not the case for the majority of children that age...but they wont ask for a condom then will they...no problem. But for that minority that do, surely it is better they are protected than not? Sure, if the school was giving every child a condom I could see how that could encourage sex and would be wrong, but they arn't...the child has to go and ask for one and as has already been stated. That means they were thinking about sex anyway.


Whether they have sex because of a sex drive, or because they are experimenting, or because they are bored and know its something they can do....it doesn't matter, the consequences can be the same. And surely it's better they are protected if that happens than not?