Obama Administration Announces Massive Piracy Crackdown

reply to post by ChrisCrikey


being a musician I could care less about piracy. I give cd's away. I make more money at shows for shirts, etc... that selling cd's is meaningless. I would rather get the music out so that people show up to the shows. the industry needs to change. the music industry is looking for the next michael jackson to sell millions of records so that they can make millions. the artist is merely a means to an end for them. I actually boycott bands that complain about downloading music like metallica. These are the bands and people that do not care about the music just the money, and usually their music is $h!t.

most independent artist say that, some even support it. Like Ronald Jenkees said that he was an independent artist and made his money off of cds (he's techno so he doesn't do shows) and that he'd rather someone here his music than not.

Get your fill of free music, movies, computer games, and software while it still lasts.

Store it on external devices so they can't scan your computer and force you to delete all of it like some Aussie ISP's have set the precedent.


And btw welcome back to tyranny, people. Been a little while but who even wants to dispute it anymore?

Double post.


Hey, remember Pink Floyd's "The Wall"? ...

[edit on 24-6-2010 by AquariusDescending]

reply to post by AquariusDescending


Yup... In fact, as soon as I get some more money, I think I'll get me a 1TB external HDD...

Originally posted by tracer7
reply to post by ChrisCrikey

 

being a musician I could care less about piracy. I give cd's away. I make more money at shows for shirts, etc... that selling cd's is meaningless. I would rather get the music out so that people show up to the shows. the industry needs to change. the music industry is looking for the next michael jackson to sell millions of records so that they can make millions. the artist is merely a means to an end for them. I actually boycott bands that complain about downloading music like metallica. These are the bands and people that do not care about the music just the money, and usually their music is $h!t.

Awesome, I am with you. Once my band is off the ground, we plan to sell merch and play out constantly as that is the way money is actually made by actual musicians.

I can see people up in arms about this already.

reply to post by SmokeandShadow


If I had a band, that'd be the way I'd make money.

Why doesn't the Obama administration tackle the oil dumping in our ocean as aggressively as they want to crack down on piracy?

reply to post by Asherah


I guess oil was so "Yesterday" and now its "Boring"... ahahaha

Maybe music piracy isn't the real reason they are passing these laws. Everyone is getting into a heated debate on the rights and wrongs of illiegal downloading and not focusing on what these laws could be used for. I think it's a distraction.

In the Uk, police use the Terrorism act of 2000 to search any one and everyone indiscriminatly. They have used this 'excuse' to stop legitimate protests and to stop members of the press filming events. They also use it to force commuters into being searched at train stations as they go about their daily business.

www.guardian.co.uk...

It's just a hunch but I'd say these new piracy laws will allow the authorities to criminalize just about anyone they like, for anything they like, just a way of exercising greater control over any 'trouble causers'.

it's gonna be like the child porn laws...
they will pick and chose who they want to bust on it. use it as a scapegoat when their own agencies prove to be worthless, and well, even if you never downloaded anything like that in your life, it can still be found on you computer, since well, there are nice little bots that will put it there for them!!!

piracy is a problem not just with music but with software, ect. but, well, it wasn't that long ago one could make a nice sum of money (at least I think they were making a nice sum), advertising these download sites online! the sites are probably still there, offering their services, and people are probably still earning money advertising them.....
but, ya, let's ruin the kid's lives by prosecuting them?? for even checking out what the little advertiser has offered????

they ain't gonna prosecute everyone, but well....I have a feeling, step out of line, say the wrong thing to the wrong person, you name will fly to the top of the list....especiallly if you have the gall to run against them in a political race!

It is time to go on anonymous internet : I2P (bittorent included), freenet, stealthnet, anomos (anonymous bittorent) ...

For the time being I cannot even begin to see how they could enforce a measure like this. They'd have to hire tens of thousands of people just to serve the warrants. And then the overburdoned courts and the jails that are way over capacity???

There is no need to enforce it widely.

Much like the drug laws of the early seventies, it will be used to dismantle the counterculture.

Think of it this way. When was the last time you saw a movie/series where drugs were planted on someone? This was usual fare in the eighties/nineties.

One Cannabis conviction and you were out of politics. How many counterculture revolutionaries were busted for possession? Ever read up on how many claimed it was planted evidence?

The new frontier in anti-government organisation is the net. Hackers, Bloggers etc. This law will be used against some people.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Welcome to Minority Report style government folks.

Interestingly, the statements seem to fly in the face of a recent Government Accountability Office study released to U.S. Congress earlier this year, which concluded that there is virtually no evidence for the claimed million dollar losses by the entertainment industry. That study suggested that piracy could even benefit the economy.

The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing apparently. This is ridiculous and should be avoided at all costs.

~Keeper

Do you have a link to that study?

Piracy it theft technically yes because of the way the copyright laws are written. But I, like this study have felt for years that it really does not hurt the industry. I am interested to see how the GAO got it's findings.

My reasoning goes like this. I remember WRNO Radio Album Hour back in the 80's. You could record off the radio an entire album fo free. These were always current popular albums. It was not illegal to do so, only illegal to give out copies or make money off of it.

If a truck with 1 million CD's goes off a cliff on the way to the market, they lose 1 million copies. It would eat into their targeted projected sales. They make 1 million Cd's and figure how much money they are going to make on those sales. This is how they figure their profit.

Now, those trucks didn't go off a cliff and the CD's made it to the store. They are still going to sell all of those CD's because for every person who might pirate the CD's there are at least 10 honest people who will purchase the CD at the store. Thus the company will not lose any projected targeted sales.

I think that the music industry is mad because with computers and internet, people have the ability to copy and distribute data more easily then they did in the past and their greed makes them scream that is not fair and they want to make money off of that, even though it doesn't hurt their projected CD sales. It's all about greed and not about loss of sales.

Everyday we get closer to the date where it's illegal to own an "unrestricted electronic computer."

Enjoy your iPads.

Sigh, why do you people elect these damn fools? The US government is a #ing joke and always will be.

bummer deal
I hope my neighbor leave their wifi open next door

every time they closer a place down 10 others open up.

even if they are successful ... people will just find or make
another way to download stuff



[edit on 24-6-2010 by Zeta Reticulan]

Originally posted by ChrisCrikey
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Think what you will but as a former semi-pro musician I'm telling you it hurts...at least it hurt me and other bands I've known. Smaller acts really do count on the sale of CDs.

It's a slippery slope to shade your morals according to how much money you think the artists and the industry should be making. It's okay to steal from the rich, is that what you think?

I agree with you in principle but I don't think you lose many sales, most people who pirate or share wouldn't have actually bought the material they "stole" and many people rip loads of stuff try it out and then buy the few they actually like, thus gaining sales.

The whole problem is the vested interests in the old industry are acting like a gang of Luddites, why don't they just put their product on their own site and charge the customers what they the record companies and artists get from sales, leaving out all the unnecessary warehouse, transport, shops, landlords and local govt tax on the shops etc etc.

Even then an element of the costs could be borne by advertising, this could become a golden age for record companies and artists, especially the small unheard of acts.

Instead they choose to fight for the status quo deluding themselves that each download is a lost sale and criminalising poor folk who love their artistic wares, moronic.

[edit on 24-6-2010 by Thepreye]

I guess just using a search engine in the hopes of hearing a song can land you in jail now, but destroying and poisoning an entire ecosystem, the careers of people in an entire region, and all the wild life in that region with oil in the name of making profit is OK.

Corporations paid off Washington to create laws against citizens and consumers in the name of greed. This is a sad day... a day the lid has been blown off the corporate oligarchy. And no one will care because they're too busy watching sports and Idol; and besides, the president is black so if you're against anything he does you're racist. Wonderful.

Well thought out, Illuminati, well thought out...

dont make me start quoting the declaration of independence people!

ok, theres this, false flag attacks, massive terrorist conspiracies, shadow govt, the fed and their fake money, cops are legalised murderers, the media and mind control, bloodlines that have stayed in power since history began, all the food that we eat containing substances that make us idiots, fake history being taught, soldiers and prisoners turned into religious warriors, and too many other deathly serious offenses that are being carried out against us.

we deserve to be enslaved, beaten, tortured, brain-washed, set up against each other and played with like chess pieces. we deserve it. we as americans are completely worthless and its for the best that we are just puppets and sheep. we deserve to die like they want.

you know why?

for not taking it back and killing anyone in our way. thats terroristic now, but hundreds of years ago its how we got our beautiful country from the overlords back in england.

just one more thing, just one more thing, just one more thing... well now its a thousand things later and we're slaves pure and simple.

unless you are actively involved in either peacefully or otherwise getting this country back, then you do deserve it all. now i must prepare, for as i have spoken the truth, the feds will be kicking in my door shortly. what, you didnt know everythings monitored? and theres no freedom of speech?

peace