Why are American Republicans so moronic?

Originally posted by Janky Red
Who's the Nazi???

Well, that's a pretty simple one. No one is.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Hell the internet is a very good example of mankinds tendencies and inherent duality.
Here we have a free market construct where you can by and sell just about anything,
but it is MORE communal then just about anything one could fathom. Its like sharing
one dirty magazine between six thousand blokes, in one stall, at the same time.
While it is also a place where one can create and prosper freely...

This board is a communal venture and it is also a construct of entrepreneurs, advertises, yet TOTALLY depends upon the efforts of a collection of individuals
who create the financial value for FREE.

One could write and record a song and have the intellectual property itself stolen
over and over again. In the physical word this would be considered theft, the founding fathers certainly believed in intellectual property. However how can we stop this wave
of intellectual thievery? The market place on the internet has created the supply and demand of these goods, yet the act of this redistribution is also contrary to free marketeers core values of ownership, property and individual merit. I believe this
is a living example of Politics-

Then examine this idea, who could police and limit this theft in theory?

THE GOVERNMENT COULD

THE market would not, because it is impotent in unified objectivity.

The FED could effectively tyrannize the hell out of the internet, to limit the communal
nature inherent in it. This could slow the curtail some of the theft and would be in
conjunction with the founding principles of intellectual property. This would also
interfere with the free market ideas which create the actual marketplace and mechanism for this theft to occur. This over all concept would be in the spirit of property rights and basis of law, yet it would attack and destroy the communal and free market freedom we have come to know.

It is at this point one can ask- are your principles with the founding principles?

Do you defend those who have worked to create content only to have it stolen away
like INCOME TAX is striped away without compunction? for a song represents work,
investment, time and money - just as valid as the TAX and what it represents, work, time, money...

the free market principles do not work as prescribed, there is no market to protect lawful owners because there is a market, one can chose to find another source to commit the act. Both serve to maintain the free market and maintain the extreme communism. People enjoy the communal aspect so much, they turn a blind eye to otherwise strongly principled concepts of capitalism, WORK and REWARD -
nothing's free.


The mega corporation depends on the social construct, it milks society thru it.
Yet at the same time they depend on the Individualism to protect the very construct,
that allows the corporation to do as it pleases.

Tax em into submission

Protect them from being punished for their success



I think an honest man could see dualities like this all throughout politics -

One punches the face while the other protects the heart

then they switch off for a while...

the BP oil spill is a breathing example of this cluster $#@#

One protects the business aspect that just murdered the basic foundation of business.


Keep drilling to ensure people having jobs, even though that same process of drilling has effectively wiped out jobs.

I hear a faint

"Don't think about that conundrum folks, we must protect productivity, by endangering the source of that productivity further!!!"

This is a determination of priority where free market ideas are attacking actual free
market interests. Drill baby Drill, but do not consider that the act could put the final
nail in the gulfs coffin, which has been a bastion, exemplifying the hard working get and go spirit many respect.

Further disaster could also serve as a platform for MORE government intervention
and welfare as a matter of necessity.

Yet without some larger FORCE, BP could just sail away and file legal extensions for decades, which would appear proper, in-accordance with "law".

The Left has brought about a healthcare initiative which is said to ENSURE healthcare
for the poor, by taking more of their money. Dash the crocked corporation, by mandating the corporation?

Same things, advocate one thing in theory, but completely undermine the inherent
principle in the next breath.


However the internet embodies it all if you look hard enough, if you willing to take a hard look.






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You are incorrect..

The Right/Left conundrum refers to Government Control, or Government influence. Fascism injects Government into nearly ever aspect of society, it is Socialism through Corporatism, the idea being that unlike Socialism/Communism, the Corporate power structure allows easier organization and can actually be used as a weapon against other nations (China for instance has a Fascist government, State Run Corporations are used to exploit other countries while maintaining their "socialist" foundation)

Both are "Left" ideologies, even if they are not both "Liberal" .. for instance Religion is often injected into Fascist doctrine as a means of control, as is Nationalism and Racism and Class Warfare to promote unity and create a common enemy. But it's still a "left" idea..

To many people think "Social Conservatism" is "right" but it's not, it's nowhere on the scale because it's irrelevant to Government structure, you mix social ideas and government structure and it's no wonder your confused as to what is "left and right".

I want you to do a little exercise.

Draw a circle..on the left...write left. On the right...write right.

Now take your pen or pencil and trace the movement until it goes to the extreme...what do you get?

The left moves so far left it eventually ends up on the right...and vise versa. Now go and study a history of extremists movements..the parallel is quite striking.

reply to post by Janky Red

It is at this point one can ask- are your principles with the founding principles?

Intellectual property and the theft of said property is theorized to be at the same level as theft of physical goods. It doesn't fall under the Free Economy doctrine because its related specifically to Law, specifically to areas of theft that are not economic in nature.

The corporate attitude of America, at least at the highest levels, is that they are to privatize the profit and socialize the losses .. it's a Fascist doctrine, held up by a Fascist government.

Freemarket principles does not mean no government oversight, it simply means no Government interference in corporate affairs or economic affairs such as setting interest rates, or bailing out corporations, or restricting R&D, or taxing specific industries etc.

BP is a perfect example of the Fascist system, not the Freemarket.. just follow BP's money, they paid billions over the last decade to bribe politicians, people with a conflict of interest set their policies. Now a well is destroyed leaking oil and they are permitted to drill 2 wells in it's place.. all with the Governments good grace. Freemarket philosophies would say that BP has to pay for all damages, and a open bid on the well would take place, the new owner would drill the new well and the US Government would work to dismantle the leak. So far we've been bribed by BP (they offered to pay $20b to keep the well) so that they could not only keep the well, continue drilling 2 new wells in it's place, mismanage the leak and do a half-ass job at cleaning it... all while being protected by the US and UK governments. Fascism.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Janky Red

 

You are incorrect..

The Right/Left conundrum refers to Government Control, or Government influence. Fascism injects Government into nearly ever aspect of society, it is Socialism through Corporatism, the idea being that unlike Socialism/Communism, the Corporate power structure allows easier organization and can actually be used as a weapon against other nations (China for instance has a Fascist government, State Run Corporations are used to exploit other countries while maintaining their "socialist" foundation)

Both are "Left" ideologies, even if they are not both "Liberal" .. for instance Religion is often injected into Fascist doctrine as a means of control, as is Nationalism and Racism and Class Warfare to promote unity and create a common enemy. But it's still a "left" idea..

To many people think "Social Conservatism" is "right" but it's not, it's nowhere on the scale because it's irrelevant to Government structure, you mix social ideas and government structure and it's no wonder your confused as to what is "left and right".

This structure of government is the figure being examined... Social conservative occupy
space in that structure, they run for office and they attempt to use government to
achieve objectives, which is in fact a utilization of government, anyway you slice it.
You have set the bar at NO government with this statement above, however even the constitution was penned by men and is the mother of all the additional construction,
be it good or bad. We can talk natural law, but natures law does not include ownership,
theft or property, in every case nature rewards life to the most murderous and death to the loser of such a conflict. Even the most ancient forms of government curtail
natural impulse...

My point is we could drop the bar that low and your argument
would have no basis, you sort of did the same thing to me. It is false to assume that less government is the same as no government, that one less post makes a unit more efficient, honest or competent. You have set yourself up to move the bar anywhere that suits you, because you DENY that you posses the rhetorical bar in the first place.

If the social conservative wants ZERO governance, why are there any such politicians?
And why salute a flag, ever??? A symbols of not only tradition, but the official logo
of that which does not concern you, presumably your mortal enemy...

1. Should the be right fuming over the immigration situation and Federal INACTION?

2. Should the Fed help manage the gulf cleanup or should BP packup and walk off?

3. Do we need a standing Military?

4. Can I stab people and sell their kidneys free from official interference?

If you answer yes to any, you do in fact believe that government has a role in life
and you are upon the scale. But you can mount an endless campaign of denial, just as I proposed ludicrous bars to qualify you as a PRO government sort.

Regardless of what you believe, conservatives use these constructs as much as anyone, then equate quantity with quality, or quantity with ZERO.

I will believe you 100% if you will state here that you hate America, her Flag and
her constitution. Otherwise you social conservative, are on the scale and do
have love for government, however specialized.







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Originally posted by theuhstuf
most older christians are republican. that should explain why they are hypocritical idiots who type in all caps.

And the really shrewd forget what caps are for.

Originally posted by theuhstuf
most older christians are republican. that should explain why they are hypocritical idiots who type in all caps.

Well, if I have to say that I lean "right" and I am independent. I believe in the Living God. I am respectful enough to not type in all caps. I am passionate when debating, but respectful enough not to call people by childish names. I give everybody respect until they show me that they do not deserve it. I am not an idiot nor am I a hypocrite. Making a blanket statement like this is not good and does nothing but flair tempers. It takes more vocabulary and focus when statements are directed to an individual. Debating is a good thing when it is based on a factual subject. Saying that republicans are hypocritical is a ill fated statement because all parties are hypocritical. This is why I am independent.

I will be a part of any group because when I affiliate myself with a group, I am saying that my beliefs are the same as theirs. I am an individual with individual thoughts. I believe my own way. I make my own decisions. I live my own life. I help people that deserve to be helped by showing good faith in humanity. Stop being a part of political groups and make informed decisions for yourself. By fighting amongst each other, we will never make this country better. Please, think about it. Be calm and be vigilant in what you believe!

Here is a study by Dr. Lawrence Britt (a political scientist) what constitutes a fascist state.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - the industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media.

To those that perceive the problems.

There IS ONLY ONE choice of governance.

The rule of LAW

True Law, not the Crap that the government espouses, but the Law of old. To do harm upon another or to infringe on their rights.

WHERE IS THAT?

Sorry, must be buried in the rhetoric.

Did someone do harm? Did someone infringe on another's rights?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I have a question, is the GOVERNMENT backing the play of their WHORE?

Just wondering?

It has been awhile since I have seen such a loaded title used for a thread.

Now when you address 'American Republicans' are you addressing those in Congress? If so, then I agree. They are using a party name to fulfill their lust for power and money, just as the Democrats in Congress are doing the same thing. While I blanketed the whole of Congress, let it be known there are a few at the Hill that fight the good fight with little to no avail.

Now, if you were laying down this statement with a broad stroke of your slightly unintelligent brush to cover all Americans that subscribe to Republican principles then I feel to say you are not seeing the trees through the forest.

The very same post can be made with the opposite title of "Why are American Democrats so moronic", yet because of the box you have placed yourself into, you cannot do so without feeling you have abandoned your principles of towing the party line of putting down the other viewpoint.

How can you start a thread saying "republicans are moronic" and the last line of your post says people need to get their heads out of their partisan asses, hypocrite much?

So tired of this leftwing rightwing bull#. Also tired of this current administration nationalizing, well, pretty much everything. The only thing that needs regulation is TPTB that keeps regulating everything else. And when that fails, they regulate the regulators.

And on that note we will close this thread.