Iran on war alert over "US and Israeli concentrations" in Azerbaijan

reply to post by aboxoftrix


As I mentioned above, I believe Saudi Arabia will use whoever they need to use to get to the point where they have what they want, in this case Iran out of the way and under their (via U.S. proxy) control. The Middle Easterners are patient people. And clever.

reply to post by nunya13


They're on the map on the path. So yes, don't forget them. Who they ultimately might align with is a huge doubt too as far as I can see. And don't forget...unlike Iran, they already have nukes. Nukes that the U.S. has already expressed doubts about the safety of.

I posted this on a parallel thread but it's worth strongly considering, so i'll repeat my thoughts:

Something with this story smells fishy. First we have Debka and now another Israeli news outlet leaking an uncited, yes uncited story. . Why can I not find the original story from the Iranian news agency. It almost seems like this story was "seeded."

Methinks we may have stumbled into and are unknowingly participating in an Israeli PsyOp campaign. The purpose of which is to place pressure on and evaluate the defenses of the Iranian defensive forces.

The following days will tell, but I am placing bets that we will see no war in the following weeks. For one thing General Patreaus would not have been reassigned to Afghanistan from Iraq if something were about to blow next door to Iraq. .

It makes no sense. Mark my words, we are being used to disseminate disinformation.

reply to post by seataka


Maybe I've missed it but I don't see where anyone has mentioned an increase in terror attacks in the US. No doubt that will be one of the many direct results of an attack on Iranian soil. We have not seen anything in America. Wait until car bombs start being exploded in front of your local Walmart, then we will know terror and I believe it is coming.
Seeashrink

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Interesting... So you believe the kingdom of Saudi Arabia has the ability to "use" the United states as a proxy to control Iran? I enjoy your posts on various subjects but this one seems hard for me to digest.

Originally posted by aboxoftrix
The thing that is surprising to me is the kingdom of Saudi Arabia having anything to do with a Jew. Jews are not allowed in Saudi Arabia unfortunately. So how can this be? New policy or something?

Zionists are not 100% jewsish but most are and the bribes they send does not need anyone to travel with the money.

The Saudi public hate the puppets in charge and could snap at any second from what i have been told and no this was not from the zionist controlled news networks but from someone what worked in Saudi Arabia.

This seems pretty extreme and a little hard to believe considering the sources are unreliable. Didn't someone here post about U.S. navy ships crossing the Red sea because of some missile testing by North Korea? Please correct me if I am wrong but I remember reading a thread on that.

Anyway with General Stanley McChrystal resigning today and the G20 summit this weekend it seems like anything could happen in the near future. Thanks for the news by the way this website is awesome for this kind of thing.

reply to post by seeashrink


Shallow or not, I was merely stating fact. Look at the map, and you can see.

This fact is irrespective of my views on war, or my family members who serve in the military.

Its just there to see, Iran is surrounded. If they do no capitulate to the 'western' powers, they face far worse than UNSC sanctions.

I do not preach war, but I dont hide from it. It is who we are at this point in time.

The strategy and tactics interest me, and the results of so many disparate interest in the region laying their strategy down is open for the world to see.

Just makes me wonder, if Russia and China can see the same as we do, what will their moves be? These are the wild cards. Any strikes against Iran will monitored closely by them, as they have significant investments in Iranian oil production and nuclear facilities.

In my view, just to make it clear, IT IS INSANE the amount of money being poured over there right now. If we have a choice fighting fanatics over there or over here, I pick here.

We should leave immediately, and deal(business) with whoever is left in charge. If they want to treat their population like dogs, so be it. If we don't agree, maybe we don't do business with you. But not drop bombs! Its insane, life is too precious.

All that money, in my opinion, should go to EDUCATION> We have squandered TOO many resources, too many lives for these games of the rich. Pull back and make America better, not some slum in the M.E.

Just wanted to add, most countries have their own best interest in mind. Using another country to further your interest is ageless, and most countries are guilty of it.

The enemy of my enemy......you know the rest.


[edit on 23-6-2010 by ErEhWoN]

reply to post by Mobius1974


I agree, we need to purge this planet of people like you then we can live in peace.
I can't stand people who decide dealing death is the only option. Closeminded fool comes to mind when reading junk like that.

Originally posted by aboxoftrix
The thing that is surprising to me is the kingdom of Saudi Arabia having anything to do with a Jew. Jews are not allowed in Saudi Arabia unfortunately. So how can this be? New policy or something?

if BIG brother speaks ...even they have to obay...

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by aboxoftrix

 

As I mentioned above, I believe Saudi Arabia will use whoever they need to use to get to the point where they have what they want, in this case Iran out of the way and under their (via U.S. proxy) control. The Middle Easterners are patient people. And clever.

Saudi Arabia keeps its population in check with oil money socialist care. SA is a powder keg, they likely helped because they believed they had little hope anyway of staying in power. The act will be their downfall.

The fact that SA helped israel was likely not supposed to be revealed, after the first shot there will be an uprising where 'the people' storm the seats of power and hang the rulers who have not already moved elsewhere.

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
In my view, just to make it clear, IT IS INSANE the amount of money being poured over there right now. If we have a choice fighting fanatics over there or over here, I pick here.

We should leave immediately, and deal(business) with whoever is left in charge. If they want to treat their population like dogs, so be it. If we don't agree, maybe we don't do business with you. But not drop bombs! Its insane, life is too precious.

All that money, in my opinion, should go to EDUCATION> We have squandered TOO many resources, too many lives for these games of the rich. Pull back and make America better, not some slum in the M.E.

Just wanted to add, most countries have their own best interest in mind. Using another country to further your interest is ageless, and most countries are guilty of it.

The enemy of my enemy......you know the rest.


[edit on 23-6-2010 by ErEhWoN]

agreed, but then, we do not have a government in the USA "Of the people and by the people" - we have The military Industrial Complex, and the best theatrical money can buy called "the Federal Government" which is a government "of the money, by the money AND for the money".

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Factoid added: US casualties due to suicide now exceed combat losses...

[edit on 23-6-2010 by seataka]

Originally posted by LieBuster

Zionists are not 100% jewsish but most are and the bribes they send does not need anyone to travel with the money.

The Saudi public hate the puppets in charge and could snap at any second from what i have been told and no this was not from the zionist controlled news networks but from someone what worked in Saudi Arabia.

I really don't think Saudi Arabia can be bribed with money since they already tons of it. Could you elaborate, I didn't get your second part.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by ufoorbhunter

 

The U.S. has been saying that Iran is building a nuke since the 80s. Where's the nuke? And hell, if anyone really needs one (which I don't believe anyone does), it might just be Iran. They're the ones in the crosshairs, targeted for the same treatment Afghanistan and Iraq have gotten in the past decade.

I live in Britain. Why is the idea of Iran having nukes good for me? It is not considering past relations between UK and Iran.

I think for the majority of people in USA, France, Israel, Saudi, Egypt, Iraq, India, China, Russia, the idea of Iran having nukes and handing them out to Venezuela, Lebanon, Yemen etc is not good news.

War is evil. It should be avoided at all costs. I grew up in the Cold War and that very nearly went hot, the idea of Iran holding the world to ransom with nukes is just not good and something to be avoided

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
Forgive me for not being clued up but what would Iran likely do in the event of an attack involving the USA - how would they retaliate and with what kind of weapons ? America is a long way from them , would they attempt air strikes on US soil ?

Iranian subs launch conventional missiles
off the Chesapeake bay at Washington
and NY.

Blackjack on a smaller scale !!!

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
Forgive me for not being clued up but what would Iran likely do in the event of an attack involving the USA - how would they retaliate and with what kind of weapons ? America is a long way from them , would they attempt air strikes on US soil ?

Iranian subs launch conventional missiles
off the Chesapeake bay at Washington
and NY.

Blackjack on a smaller scale !!!

I dont recall the source, but Senator Strom Thurmond of West Virginia said a while back "If you knew what I knew about Washington DC you wouldn't live within 100 miles"

Edit error correct, Should read Sen Strom Thurmond of South Carolina. Thanks to Boondock-Saint....


[edit on 23-6-2010 by seataka]

Originally posted by seataka
I dont recall the source, but Senator Strom Thurmond of West Virginia said a while back "If you knew what I knew about Washington DC you wouldn't live within 100 miles"

pointing out the obvious

Strom Thurmond was from South Carolina
not WV. A Senator and former Governor.

But I do agree with your point

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
Forgive me for not being clued up but what would Iran likely do in the event of an attack involving the USA - how would they retaliate and with what kind of weapons ? America is a long way from them , would they attempt air strikes on US soil ?

Iranian subs launch conventional missiles
off the Chesapeake bay at Washington
and NY.

Blackjack on a smaller scale !!!

Iran has a fleet of just three "Kilo" class submarines. The only air launched missiles they are equipped with are small, surface-to-air defensive missiles:

The boats are mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine operations in relatively shallow waters.

Armament

* Air defence: 8 SA-N-8 Gremlin or SA-N-10 Gimlet[16] Surface-to-air missiles (export submarines may not be equipped with air defense weapons)
* Six 533 mm torpedo tubes with 18 53-65 ASuW or TEST 71/76 ASW torpedoes or VA-111 Shkval supercavitating "underwater missiles", or 24 DM-1 mines,

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by clay2 baraka


Yes, I'd agree. Maybe I'm cynical, but I assume everything that they all do over there to be a psyop. Seen it way too many times. Almost play-by-play from some CIA playbook, with a few variables thrown in now and then.

reply to post by ErEhWoN


ErEhwon, I apologize for my attack if it sounds peronal. You are right in your observation as far as Iran being surrounded. The "lol" just struck me wrong. I've been on a steady diet of "doom and gloom" for the last couple of years and it is starting to get to me.
I've misjudged you by a few written lines in this thread and that happens far too much in forums, when in reality we know nothing about each other. You have bested be by simply being a gentleman in your reply. I mis-spoke and I apologize. You have my respect sir.
Seeashrink

Originally posted by clay2 baraka
Iran has a fleet of just three "Kilo" class submarines. The only air launched missiles they are equipped with are small, surface-to-air defensive missiles:

The boats are mainly intended for anti-shipping and anti-submarine operations in relatively shallow waters.

Armament

* Air defence: 8 SA-N-8 Gremlin or SA-N-10 Gimlet[16] Surface-to-air missiles (export submarines may not be equipped with air defense weapons)
* Six 533 mm torpedo tubes with 18 53-65 ASuW or TEST 71/76 ASW torpedoes or VA-111 Shkval supercavitating "underwater missiles", or 24 DM-1 mines,

en.wikipedia.org...

and when was the last time a nations defense dept. used
wiki as a reliable source for enemy strength and armament?
lmao

like that kind of info Iran is just gonna let out of
the bag. Truth is, we don't know their TRUE armament
and won't know til it's used against us.

Similar to the US, nobody knows what the US has hidden
either

It's the unknown variables that create fallacies in war.