The 100th Monkey enigma

Originally posted by ppk55
reply to post by Mirthful Me

 

Ok, it's the Hundredth Monkey Effect. As posted above.

I don't want to point to any specific source as it's a generic theory with no proven instance. However, the theory goes, that once a certain proportion of people reach the same understanding, everyone else will follow.

It's impossible to list all the 100th monkey enigma theories in one post.

I'm suggesting these are examples of the phenomena. By the way .. apple could be just an apple. People do love their apples.

apple products
The super bowl / state of origin (australia)
global warming
cleaning products
edit: the winner of any election

[edit on 23-6-2010 by ppk55]

LOL, You didn't get it.

Or you can list also:

McDonalds
Global Warming (Scam)
Chemitrails
Moon Landing (Hoax)
and of course: OMG!!!! Australia is out of place and NZL is in the east! OMG!!!

NO!


[edit on 23-6-2010 by cushycrux]

reply to post by ppk55


Theres alot of talk esspecially amoungst spiritual folk about a critical mass. Apparently once the critical mass is hit then a virtually instantaneous awakening and raising of consciousness will occur for the rest of humanity, a type of 100th monkey effect. The disagreement seems to be about just what the critical mass is more than the likelihood of it actually occuring.

100 monkeys vs 5 monkeys, which can it be? And can it be both?

Originally posted by bonsaisert
I have always understood the Hundredth Monkey Effect to mean the following:
-A new form of epigenetic behaviour is discovered,

Well you got me running to dictionary.com that's for sure.

I think you're taking the hundredth monkey effect too literally.
If you read up about it, you will see how it applies to the list I described above.

Maybe this he means:

en.wikipedia.org...

the enigma of number 23

Originally posted by patmac
100 monkeys vs 5 monkeys, which can it be? And can it be both?

That video confused me .. it has nothing to do with what this post is about.

I give you four 100's Monkeys I know.

Albert Einstein
Martin Luther King
Gandhi
Jesus

Real Paragons in different fields, this guys woke up millions of people.

[edit on 23-6-2010 by cushycrux]

Originally posted by Nick_X
To me it sounds like you just need to get out of the house and see more of the world to really get a hold of how different things really are depending where you live.

That's a bit rude don't you think. All I was doing was posting an existing theory with a few examples I think pertinent. Wow.

edit: the list compiled from above posts

apple products
The super bowl / state of origin (australia)
global warming
cleaning products
the winner of any election
McDonalds
Global Warming (Scam)
Chemitrails
Moon Landing (Hoax)
and of course: OMG!!!! Australia is out of place and NZL is in the east! OMG!!!
Albert Einstein
Martin Luther King
Gandhi
Jesus

[edit on 23-6-2010 by ppk55]

Originally posted by ppk55
That video confused me .. it has nothing to do with what this post is about.

Sorry OP, I was just making an effort to compare another form of psychological derailment. If the 100th monkey concept is true, then it can have a negative impact just as easily as a positive one.

reply to post by ppk55


I don't think your taking the hundredth monkey effect literally enough.

After-all, your examples consist of events, products and concepts. As opposed to behaviours as such.

Originally posted by bonsaisert
I don't think your taking the hundredth monkey effect literally enough.

No I'm not. It's a theory.
en.wikipedia.org...

I'm adding a new one to the list

edit: the list compiled from above posts

apple products
The super bowl / state of origin (australia)
global warming
cleaning products
the winner of any election
McDonalds
Global Warming (Scam)
Chemitrails
Moon Landing (Hoax)
and of course: OMG!!!! Australia is out of place and NZL is in the east! OMG!!!
Albert Einstein
Martin Luther King
Gandhi
Jesus

LADY GAGA (I mean this seriously, see above posts)

Some background info on `the hundredth monkey` .

THE STORY OF "The Hundredth Monkey" has recently become popular in our culture as a strategy for social change.

Lyall Watson first told it in Lifetide (pp147- 148), but its most widely known version is the opening to the book The Hundredth Monkey, by Ken Keyes. (See below.)

The story is based on research with monkeys on a northern Japanese Island, and its central idea is that when enough individuals in a population adopt a new idea or behavior, there occurs an ideological breakthrough that allows this new awareness to be communicated directly from mind to mind without the connection of external experience and then all individuals in the population spontaneously adopt it.

"It may be that when enough of us hold something to be true, it becomes true for everyone." (Watson, p148)

link

So it would appear that it was Lyall Watson who first embellished the findings of an actual study on these Japanese monkeys.

See below ...

In the original reports, there was no mention of the group passing a critical threshold that would impart the idea to the entire troop .
The older monkeys remained steadfastly ignorant of the new behavior. Likewise, there was no mention of widespread sweet potato washing in other monkey troops.
There was mention of occasional sweet potato washing by individual monkeys in other troops, but I think there are other simpler explanations for such occurrences. If there was an Imo in one troop, there could be other Imo-like monkeys in other troops.

link





(M Kawai, Primates, Vol 6, #1, 1965). The original study.

Wow, seems google has 35,000 references to "100th monkey"
OMG, this thread might just be contributing to it.

New one to add to the list .. google

apple products
The super bowl / state of origin (australia)
global warming
cleaning products
the winner of any election
McDonalds
Global Warming (Scam)
Chemitrails
Moon Landing (Hoax)
and of course: OMG!!!! Australia is out of place and NZL is in the east! OMG!!!
Albert Einstein
Martin Luther King
Gandhi
Jesus
LADY GAGA (I mean this seriously, see above posts)
google

When it comes to humankind, there is definitely an allegory of the 100th monkey phenomenon. It's as obvious as taking pretty much any class in basic economics (well ok, maybe not so basic).

Look up a principle called "The Law of Diffusion of Innovation".

• 2.5% = The Innovators
  
• 13.5% = The Early Adopters
  
• 34% = The Early Majority
  
• 34% = The Late Majority
  
• 16% = The Laggards
  

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/acf209db0508.jpg[/atsimg]

Simon Sinek: Ted Talk Video

The 100th monkey can be directly identified in approximation of the line between the early adopters and the early majority. The key to crossing this "Great Divide" between the last of the 13.5% and first of the 34% is in knowing what your demographic wants, or how best to "serve" them.

Side Note: For instance, it has been recently understood that the secret is that "People don't buy what you do, they buy why you do it."

Simple proof that the 100th monkey phenomenon is absolutely real, and furthermore profit motive demands its understanding. It's quite obvious that Apple and Mozilla have already figured out the secret to the 100th demographic monkey, if user (consumer or buyer) numbers are any indication.

EDIT: Added Ted Talk

[edit on 23-6-2010 by lagnar]

Originally posted by polarwarrior
Theres alot of talk esspecially amoungst spiritual folk about a critical mass. Apparently once the critical mass is hit then a virtually instantaneous awakening and raising of consciousness will occur for the rest of humanity, a type of 100th monkey effect. The disagreement seems to be about just what the critical mass is more than the likelihood of it actually occuring.

I think your comment is important because it raises the issue of what difference does it make whether or not the 100th monkey syndrome is true or not.

The difference is that if it's true, then its implication is that there's no need to try to "wake up" everyone - just enough.

Assuming for the sake of argument that it's true, I don't know how the percentage required could be determined, and in my opinion, is probably a question that would not be worth the time and energy to pursue.

I like the idea of just taking encouragement by the evidence.

Almost all of the big technological discoveries were done double.

Two at the same time somewhere else on the globe.

Like the ability to print texts. The telephone, electricity for light.
Well... There is evidence that tells us these things were discovered in the past.
Not all proven.

The monkies from the zoo example I loved.

I think the effect is real. We know that in theory it is possible. ( Quantum theory )
So...
Lets accept we actually hardly know anything and that it is stupid to have an opinion ( based on hardly anything ) on things like these.

I just read the above again...
I doesn't make sense but I wrote it in the heat of the moment, so I'll post it anyway.

Originally posted by cushycrux

Originally posted by ppk55
reply to post by Mirthful Me

 

Ok, it's the Hundredth Monkey Effect. As posted above.

I don't want to point to any specific source as it's a generic theory with no proven instance. However, the theory goes, that once a certain proportion of people reach the same understanding, everyone else will follow.

It's impossible to list all the 100th monkey enigma theories in one post.

I'm suggesting these are examples of the phenomena. By the way .. apple could be just an apple. People do love their apples.

apple products
The super bowl / state of origin (australia)
global warming
cleaning products
edit: the winner of any election

[edit on 23-6-2010 by ppk55]

LOL, You didn't get it.

Or you can list also:

McDonalds
Global Warming (Scam)
Chemitrails
Moon Landing (Hoax)
and of course: OMG!!!! Australia is out of place and NZL is in the east! OMG!!!

NO!


[edit on 23-6-2010 by cushycrux]

Erm OP, this was a joke

reply to post by lagnar


Brilliant post ! I'd never heard of this before.

It's why I sincerely believe major corporations pay people to line up for newly released products... and then exclaim profusely how wonderful they are... seriously .. who does that these days ?

If the 100th monkey phenomena is real, it's scary.

Originally posted by ppk55
reply to post by lagnar

 

Brilliant post ! I'd never heard of this before.

It's why I sincerely believe major corporations pay people to line up for newly released products... and then exclaim profusely how wonderful they are... seriously .. who does that these days ?

If the 100th monkey phenomena is real, it's scary.

Somehow paying people to make a product look good when it's released doesn't sound like the phenomenon to me, because there would be publicity, and that's what influences other people. My understanding of the phenomenon is that there is something telepathic going on.