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The Texas GOP Wants To Punish Straight People Who Support Gay Rights?

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posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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Why did you not respond to the rest of my post?

Whether or not they support an opt-out measure they still support government being involved in their financial lives. That's not very libertarian of them.




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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I tell you this people actually believe that they will gain supporters for this issues beside the religious rights, or let say the fundamentalist in the nation.

Can people get it, sex is part of procreation and the ability of enjoying sex is a human species right given to us by our creator, not by laws and stupid human beings on political and religious agendas



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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And I can tell you that you are wrong.

Your assumptions are misguided and based on mass media propaganda.



That's fine...have fun voting for your Sarah Palin endorsed Tea Party Republican candidate.

And keep telling yourself they are really a Libertarian



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


Why did you not respond to the rest of my post?

Whether or not they support an opt-out measure they still support government being involved in their financial lives. That's not very libertarian of them.


No, they do not.

If they could eliminate them, they would.

Sharron Angle is a typical tea party candidate.

example:
www.americanthinker.com...


Though they cower before the left, these Republicans do, as we have seen in Congressman Barton's case, occasionally attack members of their own party -- or abandon them, as in the case of Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle. She has proposed that we phase out and eventually eliminate Social Security -- a decades-long statist establishment, long deemed untouchable. Incumbent Senator Harry Reid has attacked the idea, but this is an easily winnable argument for Angle in light of the fact that not only is Social Security antithetical to a free society, but it has proven itself to be insolvent and unsustainable.



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posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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And I can tell you that you are wrong.

Your assumptions are misguided and based on mass media propaganda.



That's fine...have fun voting for your Sarah Palin endorsed Tea Party Republican candidate.

And keep telling yourself they are really a Libertarian


Unlike yourself, I have taken the time to research who is a legitimate "tea party" candidate and who is not.

Real tea party candidates are libertarians.

There is no difference between the two.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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I'm just telling you what a poll said. I have never been to a Tea Party rally and I really don't want to. I have no problem with Tea partiers they are voicing their concerns and are attempting to assert what they want from government. While I would recommend they stick with people like Ron Paul and avoid people like Sarah Palin, I doubt they ever would, she's just so good for publicity.

I'm sure if there was some other movement like a PEA Party Movement the right would be trying to trash them which FOX does pretty well.

FYI: P.E.A stands for Poor Enough Already



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by mnemeth1
 


I'm just telling you what a poll said. I have never been to a Tea Party rally and I really don't want to. I have no problem with Tea partiers they are voicing their concerns and are attempting to assert what they want from government.


No, they are attempting to assert what they do not want from government.

There is a difference.

Wanting something from government means "I want to use the force and brutality of government to extract some property from someone else to benefit myself, or I want to use the violence of government to prevent someone from doing something I don't like."

That is what democrats and republicans do all the time.

Not wanting something means exactly the opposite, ending the use of government violence to get something.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Then they should really start a new movement with a different name...because "tea party" has been hijacked and it IS a sub-section of the Republican party now.

And when/if a "tea party" candidate is elected under the Republican banner...they will vote party line with them because that is what Republicans do and if they don't they will be cast out of the party.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Then they should really start a new movement with a different name...because "tea party" has been hijacked and it IS a sub-section of the Republican party now.

And when/if a "tea party" candidate is elected under the Republican banner...they will vote party line with them because that is what Republicans do and if they don't they will be cast out of the party.


And whatever else they start will subsequently be "hijacked" again.

The Republican party was hijacked by neo-cons, the tea parties are working to take it back.

You got the whole thing flip-flopped.

The neo-cons are the hijackers.

The tea parties are working throw the statist tyrants out.


[edit on 22-6-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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The Republican establishment has hijacked the Tea Party NAME. Mnemeth1 has it right, most people (even here on ATS!!!) do not look very deep and buy whatever the MSM is selling.
The T.E.A. Party is libertarian, the Republican establishment is AUTHORITARIAN, as is the Democratic establishment.
What is a libertarian to do? Endure the communists?

Neither party will empower the individual to make his or her own choices. A third party is the ONLY way, but you have to turn off the frigging television and actually get out and meet people.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Stewie
The Republican establishment has hijacked the Tea Party NAME. Mnemeth1 has it right, most people (even here on ATS!!!) do not look very deep and buy whatever the MSM is selling.
The T.E.A. Party is libertarian, the Republican establishment is AUTHORITARIAN, as is the Democratic establishment.
What is a libertarian to do? Endure the communists?

Neither party will empower the individual to make his or her own choices. A third party is the ONLY way, but you have to turn off the frigging television and actually get out and meet people.



A small (very small) group of the TEA partiers are probably Libertarian...those that were there from the start. But NOW, the majority of them are just pissed off republicans.

Not only was the name hijacked...the membership and ideals have now been hijacked as well. It is no longer Ron Pauls Libertarian Tea Party. It is Sarah Palin's "Drill baby Drill" and "Obama is a socialist" Tea Party.

The membership has changed...to continue to call it a Libertarian group is just lying to yourself.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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Tea parties don't hate gays.

Republicans hate gays.


Quit kidding yourself....Tea Partiers ARE Republicans.

They always were.


No. Tea partiers were at one time libertarians mainly. Then Fox News rode in, supported it and now thanks to Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reily and Sean Hannity it is just a large neo con screaming contest to see who can blame Obama for the most things he has nothing to do with.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Well, I guess we will just disagree.
I have found that people are much more complex than what the platforms, whether they are Democrat or Republican, suggest. The T.E.A. Party is made up of individuals with varying beliefs, but the constant is that government is TOO big, TOO costly, and increasingly unconstitutional.
The Republican establishment does not want smaller government, really, but that is the only way that INDIVIDUALS believe they have any prayer of making smaller government happen, and that means using the party apparatus. Unfortunately, the establishment seeks to maintain control over the individual. That can only change from within.
It would be nice to see a Democratic T.E.A. Party!!! It makes you wonder what exactly is the Democratic Platform all about, really?



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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I have to agree with OutKast. The TPM is just a bunch of pO'ed Republicans trying to look independent. In the end they will fall in line with the GOP, no matter the rhetoric.

And I have covered a few TPM get together s for my Cable Public Access Channels
and It was mainly a bunch of old white people sitting around eating donuts
and whining about Obama. With no platform, and no idea how to actually mount an effective campaign.

Here's your Tea Party folks

www.youtube.com...


Topic.....Finding scapegoats like Gays and Hispanics seems very familiar somehow. Didn't they do this with the Jews awhile back in Germany? That worked out well didn't it?

God please protect me from your followers!!






[edit on 22-6-2010 by whaaa]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:14 PM
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Considering you haven't been to a tea party, and I doubt you've even listed to more than a few sound bites of protesters chosen for their ridiculousness by left wing bloggers, I think its fair to say you have no idea wtf you are talking about.





posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Fair enough,
maybe you could pin down the "typical" anti-Obama democrat.



[edit on 22-6-2010 by Stewie]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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No body is singling out Hispanics.

Hispanics are a race.

Illegal aliens are not a race.

Here we can see sane Hispanics working to prevent illegal immigration.

articles.latimes.com...

Clearly they must be self-hating racists.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:31 PM
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Typical speeches at tea parties

Clearly she is a racist bigot that hates blacks and Hispanics:







[edit on 22-6-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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The "Tea Party" is just a re-branding of the GOP. Businesses re-brand products all the time. If one product line is not selling well, they will just change the label. The product on the inside is the same crappy product even though the label is different. For example, do not be surprised if your local "BP" gas station gets a new name.

After the George W. Bush presidency, the Republican party was at an all time low. Many people viewed Bush as the worst president ever and had a difficult time supporting a party that stood by him. The Republicans knew this and re-branded themselves as the "Tea Party."



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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We could go back and forth all day with videos...I think the "crazy" tea party videos far outnumber the "sane" tea party videos. But let's be honest...they are both biased. You can go to any event for anything and find crazy people and sane people...it is just my personal opinion that I think the crazies outnumber the sane people at Tea Party events.


I drove by a local Tea Party in my area...I was going to go...but after seeing the Obama as Hitler signs and the "Death Panels" signs (this was during the HC debate)...I just kept on driving. Honestly...that is all I needed to see...there were only about 20-30 people there...and in this case it was all old white people.


Like I said...you can keep pretending that the Tea Party is currently this noble cause where logical people gather...but I very strongly disagree.







 
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