Why should I pay to keep Jon Venables alive

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posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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I have a different take on this. I do not support the death penalty but not because of some enlightened sense of morality, I just think it’s the easy way out. These people should be made to suffer for their crimes. For the likes of this c**t I would have him castrated then I think he should be sent to a hard labour camp for a good 40 years. He should be forced to live with just enough to keep him alive for example minimum bland food and basic accommodation, none of this have a ps3 to keep you entertained crap. I would apply this to all paedophiles, murders and rapists

I was going to become a police officer when i was younger, i was put off when i looked into how ridiculous our criminal justice system is, and it is a total joke. I find it strange that we live in a state that is often accused of being authoritarian, yet for all our laws we have a CPS that is laughable. Prison is no more than a holiday camp for scum.




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 02:55 PM
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So when we have to make hard choices about Government spending, you would rather spend in the region of £37,000 a year to keep Jon Venables in prison rather than spend this money on a nurse, teacher or a social worker?



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 03:08 PM
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Please read what I have written and the point I am making.

We have to make some hard choices about how our Government spends our money, and I am using Jon Venables as an example of why we need to consider if keeping some very evil people alive is worth it.

Jon Venables has spend time in prison for the murder of a child, already at a cost in the region of £40,000 plus a year and has learnt nothing from his time in prison and has been charged with another serious crime, downloading child porn.

So you are happy for us to spend more than £400,000 on this evil man, rather than on nurses, teachers or social workers.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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I am just using the Jon Venables's case as an example. I would be happy to put down many of the evil people we have in prison. They cost us in the region of £40,000 each per year, and we have to make some hard choices on public spending.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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But he has spend time in prison for the murder of James Bulger, and then has been charged with the serious crime of downloading child porn, so it seems that anytime in prison has done nothing to show Jon Venables about the errors of his ways.

So you are happy for the Government to spend in the region of £40,000 a year to keep people like Jon Venables alive, when decent people are looking to the state to provide for them in these hard times.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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I can see where you are coming from and I do like your idea. We can use these prisoners to complete with labour costs from China and the like.

Great idea but do we have enlighted Government who will ask the people if they want this idea?



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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The government would never do it because it would mean breaching their human rights. I think however that once a crime is committed you should not be entitled to the same “rights” as law abiding citizens for the duration of your punishment.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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Unfortunately, I understand precisely what you're saying.

The sad fact is that we live in an unbelievably messed up world that has slowly been losing its grasp on humanity. In a civilized society we don't advocate for the execution of children no matter how heinous a crime they may have committed.

If your chief complaint is about your nation's financial woes and a decided lack of funding for the social services you've mentioned, then there are other places to cut back on spending.

A prime place to start would be the outrageous amount of money the Royal Family spends in any given year. In fact I believe Queen Elizabeth has an annual "allowance" that is roughly 8 million pounds and is fully subsidized by the taxpayers.

A better question to pose would probably be "Why should I pay to keep Queen Elizabeth and other members of the Royal Family living a posh and overly-indulgent lifestyle?"

That would make much more sense then complaining about the cost of housing prisoners.

[edit on 6/22/2010 by maria_stardust]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:53 PM
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I think it's a very complicated issue. He committed an appalling crime at the age of ten and was looked after by authority till he was grown up. If he's really commited this new crime then the authority that was responsible for his care and rehabilitation has failed immensely. We really know nothing about how he grew up. Were there any parent figures at all in his life? Any mentors? How can anyone grow up normal in that kind of environment?

Yes, I know I'm a softie.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by pieman
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I think keeping Jon Venables alive is not about protecting his life, it's about protecting the life of the man that is wrongly convicted. It's about making the decision that there is no conviction which is sound enough to take someones life.

It has disadvantages, I know it does, but keeping scumbags alive at the expense of the state is a price worth paying for avoiding the inevitable execution of an innocent man.


I'm in full agreement with this post.


At the risk of sounding cliched, two wrongs don't make a right either. He did wrong, he should be punished but IMO nobody has the right to take the life of another, even if that person wouldn't give others the same courtesy. I agree with previous posters who have said that the risks of executing an innocent man far outweigh any perceived need to rid our society of its most unsavoury characters.

Having said all of that, if Venables had murdered my son, I'd have killed him myself.




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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I said he should be rehabilitated, when has prison ever been about rehabilitation?
He obviously hasn't been given the correct treatment.
If it takes £40000 a year to turn someone into a fully functioning member of society, then in my opinion it's money well spent.
If it just comes down to money for your argument, why don't you start kicking off about the masses of money spent on arms? Wars? Nuclear weapons? bank bailouts? CCTV? Benefit Fraud? All the money paid every year to the EU? etc etc, instead of reading the gutter press and being led by the nose into the mass hysteria they love to stir up?
Sometimes the easy option isn't always the right or best solution, by working with people like Venables you can make serious breakthroughs so that the events that led to this whole sorry mess never happen again.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by kevinunknown
I have a different take on this. I do not support the death penalty but not because of some enlightened sense of morality, I just think it’s the easy way out. These people should be made to suffer for their crimes. For the likes of this c**t I would have him castrated then I think he should be sent to a hard labour camp for a good 40 years. He should be forced to live with just enough to keep him alive for example minimum bland food and basic accommodation, none of this have a ps3 to keep you entertained crap. I would apply this to all paedophiles, murders and rapists

The more I think about this, the more I think you're right, actually. I worry about the death penalty because of the risk of killing an innocent person, but also yeah, it is maybe the easy way out. Question is though, will we ever have a government that is firm enough to agree to this kind of punishment? I'd like to think so but I wouldn't hold my breath.


Prison is no more than a holiday camp for scum.

Exactly, that's what I was trying to say earlier, but you put it more eloquently.


As for the person/s who said the guy need rehabilitation - don't make me laugh. People who commit murder and rape are inherently evil and no amount of 'rehabilitation' will change them. They don't need help to make them into decent citizens, they need hard punishment for what they did. It's this type of namby-pamby attitude and human rights for criminals that has got the UK into the mess its in. For crying out loud, we're living in a country where a burglar can sue you if he hurts himself while robbing your house! Justice is a joke, it really is.

Jon Venables was evil when he was ten years old. Anyone who's seen his photo should be able to see that. He should have been properly punished then, he wasn't some 'innocent child' who didn't know what he was doing. In my opinion, if you're old enough to commit a crime, you're old enough to get punished for it.




posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by tappy
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Jon Venables was evil when he was ten years old. Anyone who's seen his photo should be able to see that. He should have been properly punished then, he wasn't some 'innocent child' who didn't know what he was doing. In my opinion, if you're old enough to commit a crime, you're old enough to get punished for it.



Your post was a good one until the end paragraph.

You can tell if a 10yr old boy is evil from a photo? Seriously?

You must work for The Sun.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 03:54 AM
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No, don't work for the Sun, don't even read that kind of trash.

All I was saying was that the picture I've seen of him, he looks evil. My opinion. But picture or not, I think it's pretty clear he is evil.

Thanks for saying my post was a good 'un though



Edit to add - maybe I just see him as evil because I know what he's done. I dunno. Just calling it as I see it.


[edit on 23-6-2010 by tappy]



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 04:33 AM
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Sometimes I feel embarrassed to be British.

Thanks everyone.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 05:21 AM
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Hehe. Sorry if my post was a little dry, I didn't intend for it to be confrontational or anything.

Like previous posters, I am getting increasingly exasperated with our justice system aswell as the average level of moronism prevalent in the UK today. The reactions in this thread are exactly what "they" want.

Create hysteria by showcasing bad deeds, and then use that hysteria to walk all over the liberties of the general populace who are TOO STUPID and wrapped up in their silly little worlds to notice.

"OMG LOOK! SOMEONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME AND HASN'T BEEN REHABILITATED! KILL HIM!"... etc




posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Dookzor
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Hehe. Sorry if my post was a little dry, I didn't intend for it to be confrontational or anything.

Not a problem
No offense taken. I must admit I'm not having the best of days so hopefully I didnt come across badly or anything



Like previous posters, I am getting increasingly exasperated with our justice system aswell as the average level of moronism prevalent in the UK today. The reactions in this thread are exactly what "they" want.

Create hysteria by showcasing bad deeds, and then use that hysteria to walk all over the liberties of the general populace who are TOO STUPID and wrapped up in their silly little worlds to notice.

"OMG LOOK! SOMEONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME AND HASN'T BEEN REHABILITATED! KILL HIM!"... etc


So they get us all worked up then use that as an excuse to infringe our freedoms even more - more cctv, more 'monitoring of citizens' (don't you just hate the word citizen? Sounds like something out of George Orwell), more blanket bans on everything rather than targeting the people who actually need to be targeted?

You may have hit the nail on the head, you know.


Edited to fix layout and spelling and stuff like that


[edit on 23-6-2010 by tappy]



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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Wow. What a way to take a thread off topic, but hey, this is my thread so I guess I will allow it.

The Royal Family do cost this country some money but the amount of revenue that is brought in from tourism and the great work they do in promoting British industry.

Looking at the balance sheet of the Royal Family and this prisoner, he should still, along with many other prisoners should be put down.

So based on your argument, if we have a finite amount of Government spending, you would rather it was spent keeping this scum alive rather than using the money to fund social services which may prevent other small children from being murdered.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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Any chance that Jon Venables is just a evil nasty person that no amount of rehabilitation would have changed. We invested in rehabilitation and it has not worked so waste should this state invest more time in rehabilitation? We have to make harsh decisions about funding and this is just one example of evil sick people we really do not need to to keep alive.



posted on Jun, 24 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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Why not send him to Bermuda or one of the other British overseas territories? IIRC most of them still retain the death penalty as they have seperate judicial systems from the UK proper. I believe Bermuda is the most recent place under British control that has carried out executions (the assassins of Gov. Richard Sharples in 1977).





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