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Why should I pay to keep Jon Venables alive

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posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 08:35 AM
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With recent annoucements that Jon Venables is to be charged with serious offences, Jon Venables charged with child porn offences, why are my taxes being wasted on keeping this man alive.

He has already been found guilty of murder and then released with a new identity so he can continue to enjoy a live that was denied to James Bulger, and what does he does with his life, download child porn.

Just how much money has Jon Venables been able to waste from British taxpayers?

If this Government want to save money, execute him now and save us all the expense of a trial and keeping him in prison for the rest of his life, and take the money saved and use it to fund more police officers, nurses and social workers.




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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why are we paying to keep him alive?

Because Britain doesn't have the death penalty and has a law system that is based on equality and justice for all, as well as the fact that reabilitation is a large part of what the system is based on.

Are you advocating the death sentence for all serious criminals or just ones that you get outraged about after reading a tabloid article?

Or is it that you believe he is inherently evil?



[edit on 22-6-2010 by Frakkerface]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:00 PM
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If he is found guilty of these offences, this will be the second serious crime. He was jailed with another for the murder of James Bulger, a small child when he was ten and was released. It seems that reabilitation has failed here.

We are facing huge pressures of spending and I would rather that Government spending was focused on people who want to be part of society.

I have been in favour of the death plenty for many years and has posted such in threads on this site so my outrage here is not based an article in a newspaper, but on the fact that we are spending money keeping this person alive.

We have to make differcult decisions on how our taxes should be spent, and spending them on inherently evil people is unacceptable, when there are plenty of good and decent people who need the state to support them.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:04 PM
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What would you like done with Venables? And if you want him executed, are you willing to do the execution. On the up side you will no longer have to pay for Venables on the downside, you will have just taken another mans life. I'm not sure I could live with that, just for the sake of saving a few pounds out of my wallet.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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Of course it is very easy to say I would execute him, but until I was placed in that situation, I would not know, but the UK has had professional executioners.

And we are not taking about a few Pounds but hundreds of thousands of Pounds already spend.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:16 PM
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Jon Venables is an evil piece of scum who should never have been released in the first place - clearly he hasn't been rehabilitated in his nice, cozy prison cell with playstation and tv and internet access, and now he's shown to be a danger yet again.

I know that the death penalty is a dangerous way to go in terms of the people who are wrongly executed, but when it is proved beyond a doubt that a person is guilty of a horrible crime such as what he did, why shouldn't it be an option anymore?

What will happen instead, is he'll get a trial, probably a pitiful jail sentence in yet another comfy cozy cell, then a new identity to protect him because his current identity will have been compromised.

Why the heck should someone like him be protected for crying out loud?

I swear the justice system in this country is completely mad.

Bring back proper punishment in prisons, a scratchy uncomfortable bed, a bucket in the corner and no mod cons. I think some criminals actually hope to go to prison because they have a better life inside than they do outside. Until prison is seen as an actual punishment it will never be a deterrent.

*steps off soapboax and goes back inside*



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:17 PM
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so what your saying is, you dont mind paying for someone else to kill him. Professional executioners, are they human beings too?

its less than a few pounds as its spread over all tax payers not just you.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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Obviously rehabilitation failed on this occasion, and i know its a cliche, but there are those who would say that the fairest punishment would be to lock him in a room with James Bulgers father and a few mates with the various instruments of torture that were used on that little lad. He may be a waste of space but i cant put my name to execution, not on any grounds.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:35 PM
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That's not what I said. Until I am in the position that I have to execute someone, I have no idea if I can do it, that is being honest. And yes those who executed on behalf of the state in the last century were of course human beings who did this as a job.

And if we start to add up all those few Pounds across each and every taxpayer, we end up with millions, if not billions of Pounds being spent that does not benefit our society.

Lets pose a different question - If the Government said that you had to pay to keep Jon Venables alive and in prison for the next 10, 15, however many years, rather than pay any more tax, what would you do?



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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So you are happy for the state to spend money keeping him in prison, rather than providing more nurses or social workers to those of us who want to be a part of society.

We have to make differcult choices on spending but this one seems clear.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Freedom ERP
If this Government want to save money, execute him now and save us all the expense of a trial and keeping him in prison for the rest of his life, and take the money saved and use it to fund more police officers, nurses and social workers.


So, then, what is the monetary value of a human life? Cuz that is the slippery slope you are engaging upon. I think a more relevant question is "Why is prison time for a dangerous criminal such a walk in the park?"

There's still something to be said for life imprisonment at hard labour.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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you raise an interest point about the death plenalty being a dangerous way to go, but some people deserve it. Another example would the Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire ripper.

There are just some people that no amount of help and support from society will change. We should cut our losses and get rid of them.

If Jon Venables were a dangerous animal that had attacked a small child, we would have no problems with putting the animal down. Venables is just the same. Put him to sleep!



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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Wanna save some money? Sponsor him on a Eastern tour. Stops include Saudi Arabia, Thailand and Indonesia. Good luck.


[edit on 22-6-2010 by intrepid]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
I think a more relevant question is "Why is prison time for a dangerous criminal such a walk in the park?"

There's still something to be said for life imprisonment at hard labour.


Yeah, good point - like I said, prison should be a punishment but - certainly in the UK - it isn't. Not only are the living conditions apparently better than some decent people can ever hope for, but sentences are laughably short.

I probably wouldn't mind my tax money paying for him to spend the rest of his life in very uncomfortable conditions, but I do object to paying for a new identity and life for him. (Actually even if my tax wasn't paying for it, I'd still object).

He doesn't deserve protection or safety or comfort. He gave up all rights to those things when he committed murder. The same goes for anyone committing a horrible crime.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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I think keeping Jon Venables alive is not about protecting his life, it's about protecting the life of the man that is wrongly convicted. It's about making the decision that there is no conviction which is sound enough to take someones life.

It has disadvantages, I know it does, but keeping scumbags alive at the expense of the state is a price worth paying for avoiding the inevitable execution of an innocent man.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Freedom ERP
If Jon Venables were a dangerous animal that had attacked a small child, we would have no problems with putting the animal down. Venables is just the same. Put him to sleep!


Another good point. And the irony is, of course, that an animal could be argued to be just doing what comes naturally to it, you know? Tiger escapes from zoo, for example, mauls someone to death, and then it gets shot. But it wasn't acting out of malice, just out of animal instinct.

A murderer like Jon Venables (or Peter Sutcliffe, or countless others) is committing a henous (sp?) crime that any 'normal' person would/could never do.

I know which one I think is worse.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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But guess what, all our Government place a monetary value on a human life. This is how they work out budgets for our health services, so why not put a value on the life of a criminal. Jon Venables has cost the British taxpayer £100,000's already and the time he has also ready spend in detention does not seem to have changed his behaviour.
When he was 10, he and a friend led a small child away from his mother at a shopping centre and then killed him. Just google Jamie Bulger and I am sure you will find the CCTV pictures of Jon Venables and his friend leading James Bulger away to his death.

In this case, detention has not helped and he is being charged with have child porn images. Some people are not worth money being spent on or doing hard labour for life. If only we could get Judges with the balls to impose real life sentences with hard labour.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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So you are basically advocating the death of a man -- not for downloading child porn -- but for a crime he committed when he was a ten-year old child. That is just a twisted sense of reasoning.

There is no doubt that the death of James Bulger was both heinous and horrifying on several levels. But would you really advocate the execution of a ten-year old child who committed murder? If not, why would you then turn around and demand his death now that he's grown?

While downloading child pornography is certainly detestable, it is not a crime punishable by death.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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What about all other rapists, paedophiles, murderers and so on..... You don't mind paying for those then?
It's just that the papers and media are talking about JV, so you're now outraged at having to pay for him?

We pay for all of them..... that's how it works in most places.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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Venables did a horrible thing to a baby, but he was no more than a baby himself when he committed that horrible act.
He himself came from a social system that failed him and he bacame a product of that failed system.
Maybe his parents should have been tried in a court of law, but then, were his parents also a product of a failed society, should the people resposable for how our society functions be tried in a court of law?
As far as the death penalty goes, I'm for it is certain circumstances, but not this one.
So yes, we should pay to keep him alive, and try to rehabilitate him as much as possible.
Thats my opinion anyway for what it's worth.



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