Honestly, if we are to secure that border we need to militarize the 1000 miles of border and design it similar to the demilitarized zone in Korea.

we start with a simple fence with warning signs that anyone who attempts to pass through this fence will be met with deadly force. 50 yds pas that we build one tall razor wire fence. Then 50 yds of Land mines. Then another tall razor wire fence. and the another fence with the same warnings. You can add sentries, patrols and any other pieces to the mix and be just fine.

This works in Korea and it will work here!

I am tired of all the Bvll#! lets just get the job done. Its simple militarize this area build the wall hiring nothing but US citizens and give them jobs maintaining and securing the border as a civil border corp or as a government employee either way I dont care.

All the politics can go to hell for all I care! For once we need a real american as a president not a F'ing politician. We need a real american as a president that is willing to act instead of react like Czar Obama does... Focus on fixing The US before focusing on issues abroad like helping the EU and funding the IMF. I say screw everyone else lets nationalize our debt call back all the US currency abolish the income tax and replace it with a better system based on usage rather than income such as a fair tax or VAT tax. and fix our home before we bail out anyone else like greece.

This stuff is simple economics why is it so hard for TPTB to make the easiest of decisions?

they are more than undocumented immigrants... they are Criminals because they are committing a felony act by entering a country illegally. They should be treated as criminals man, woman and child. I am not saying be rude or violent toward the people but I am saying they shouldnt get all the luxuries and benefits that citizens get. If we cross over into Mexico illegally we get automatically thrown into prison and not a luxury prison like we have here in the states. Keep in mind that for every person that enters this country thats another person that our current government will have to support and that means more of your tax dollars goes to support them instead of you! Its so funny that people from Europe, Africa, and Asia follow the guidelines and are often told "no" and they wait and try again until they can get here and nobody fights for their right to be here yet someone blatantly breaks our laws and everybody and their brother jumps all over how these people have a right to be here! one of my friends is going through all this red tape to get his fiance here from france and its taking a toll on him and his relationship yet these illegal criminals are given the red carpet... its sad to see all the hypocrisy in today's politics!

Originally posted by APOCOLYPSE DAWN
they are more than undocumented immigrants... they are Criminals because they are committing a felony act by entering a country illegally.

Wrong being in the US illegally is not a felony but an administrative infraction. Like a building code violation or parking ticket. It carries no jail time and although a fine may be placed it usually isn't.

One talking point I NEVER hear Americans talk about in discussions like this is about the amnesty Mexico provided to American outlaws in the 19th and 20th century...

Doesn't anyone here remember that back then, your average Jesse James type could rob a couple trains, hold up a few banks, or ravage a couple of mining outposts, then head for the border?

True... those folks took thier economic gains and supported the Mexican government with it, but it goes to reason that what we are experiencing today is the payback of those times lol... To some degree at least, folks have to admit that there is some truth in the above statement.

I for one do not agree with letting Illegal Immigrants amnesty or for that matter, an ability to access my Country in such loosly available terms. I agree that the government should secure our borders, as it is their Constitutional duty to do such.

However, nothing is perfect, and games will be played by both sides...

The Obama administration has breeched it's Constitutional Duties in more than one occasion to date - including the fact that the President himself may even be a breech of constitutionality.

The Facts speak for themselves - if a President isn't constitutionally legal to be in office, why would such a person regard thier Constitutional obligations while holding that office?....

[edit on 6/22/2010 by Megiddodiddo]

Originally posted by jam321
Just because the fed isn't securing the border to one's liking, doesn't mean they aren't trying to secure the border.

Think that the fed would accept that argument when someone can't pay their taxes?
Of course not.

Well neither do we.

From your source...

"VII. VOLUNTARY DEPARTURE
The 96 Act creates new restrictions on the granting of voluntary departure, a form of
relief that benefits aliens by allowing them to avoid, at their own expense, the
consequence of a formal order or removal or deportation.
Under the 96 Act, the INS and immigration judges may grant voluntary departure to an
alien for up to a period of 120 days. Aliens who fail to depart within that time will become
ineligible for voluntary departure or certain other forms of relief for a period of ten years.
Aliens may also be assessed criminal penalties and civil penalties between $1,000 and
$5,000.
1. What are the advantages of voluntary departure?
Voluntary departure benefits aliens by allowing them to enter into an agreement to
leave the United States of their own volition, to resolve logistical concerns (such as family
arrangements or property disposition), and to avoid the consequences of a formal order
or removal. It eases case management for the INS and for the immigration court, and it
saves taxpayer dollars because aliens depart at their own expense.
2. Who is eligible for voluntary departure?
Voluntary departure is available both during and prior to removal proceedings.
Arriving aliens, aggravated felons, and terrorists are not eligible. The decision whether to
grant voluntary departure to an eligible alien is made by an INS officer or by an
immigration judge based on humanitarian concerns, prior immigration law violations, and
other discretionary factors.
3. How is voluntary departure granted?
INS border patrol agents can offer voluntary departure to aliens when they are
apprehended at or near the border. INS officers and immigration judges can also offer
voluntary departure, usually when an alien is apprehended inside the United States for
violations of the immigration law.
4. What conditions are placed on voluntary departure?
To ensure an alien's timely departure, INS may require a bond, evidence of travel
documents, detention of the alien until departure, and/or removal under safeguards.
Voluntary departure granted at the conclusion of removal proceedings is limited to 60
days and the alien must post a bond of $500 or more. In addition, only aliens who have
been present in the United States for one year prior to being placed in removal
proceedings may be granted voluntary departure at the conclusion of proceedings. If the
bond is not posted within five business days, the voluntary departure order will be
cancelled and an alternate order or removal will take effect. An immigration judge may
also impose additional conditions."

Arriving aliens - Meaning the ones not in the system - are not eligible for voluntary departure.

[edit on 22-6-2010 by PayMeh]

On top of that, voluntary departure is simply a choice. It allows ICE and judges to give those trying to obtain legal admittance the choice to go back and try again without prejudice.

Failure to leave the country on their own within 120 days denies them the chance to reapply for legal citizenship for the term of 10 years.

From the Overview:
"The 96 Act undertakes a comprehensive reorganization of the process of removal for inadmissible and deportable aliens, including a provision for the expedited removal of inadmissible aliens arriving at U.S. ports of entry."

The section you refer to is, again, for those whom apply for citizenship by the legal means.

All those who bother to skip this process are subject, upon discovery, for arrest, relenquished to ICE within 48 hours, brought before a judge, and promptly returned to country of origin.

No perversion of these laws will change the facts.

Also this is not on topic, really, as the thread topic is legal ramifications implied by the federal governments unwillingness to secure the borders when faced by hostile, foreign entities.