Failure of the Federal Government to Secure Borders is a Breach of Contract

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posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 



handle the drug cartels they would repeal all legislation that criminalizes the sale of illicit drugs, ensuring that the supply of this obvious demand be placed in the free and open market.


I agree with what you say about the cartels. Furthermore it would help to secure the border.

The only point I am trying to make is that those who want border secured are not being realistic. They are constantly changing what it means as to border secure.




posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Going after the cartels in Mexico is not our place. Keeping them from coming across the border and operating on our soil is.

Your logic is faulty. Our primary, if not ONLY concern should be what happens on our domestic soils. To hell with what the drug cartels do in Mexico. Keep them and their illegal substances from crossing the border. If anyone of any nationality wishes to become a citizen of the United States, there is a process to go through. Why enforce it for one group of people and not another?

Just because Mexico is in dire need of organization and expulsion of corruption does not mean we should absorb the population of Mexico and grant them political asylum.

The fact of the matter is that the absorption of a populace that largely does not contribute to state and federal revenue will inevitably bankrupt us all.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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Exactly what SS number are they using when they file a return?

Someone elses?

That makes them guilty of identity theft, fraud, and perjury at the very least.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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Also, please give me any other example where one country absorbed a large part of another country's populace successfully.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:09 PM
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They have failed to secure against an invasion where we have somewhere between 12 and 20 million foreign nationals on our soil without permission to be here.


Actually. about 50% did have permission at first. Then they overstayed their visas. Furthermore. those 12 million did not enter overnight. Many have been here since 1986.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
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They have failed to secure against an invasion where we have somewhere between 12 and 20 million foreign nationals on our soil without permission to be here.


Actually. about 50% did have permission at first. Then they overstayed their visas. Furthermore. those 12 million did not enter overnight. Many have been here since 1986.


If your neighbor invites you into his house tonight, it doesnt give you carte blanche to enter whenever the hell you want tomorrow or the next day.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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While people with isolationist views often make sense, it is not always in our country's best interests to ignore all problems outside our borders. You would not wait for a fire on your neighbor's property to start burning your house before you tried to put the fire out.

Similarly, some problems outside our borders, like the Mexican drug cartels, have the potential to cross the border into our country. It is best to try and work with Mexicans and nip the problem in the bud before it winds up in our own country.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Some use phony socials. Illegal aliens can also get a number called an ITIN, which functions like a social security number for tax purposes.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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The ones that do file tax returns are guilty of identity theft. I, myself, became a victim of that around the age of 8. Your knowledge of the fact makes you an accessory and just as guilty in the eyes of the law. Please direct yourself to the nearest sheriff's office and turn yourself in.. =)



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:15 PM
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Then by all means, lets pull our troops out of the ME and invade and secure Mexico. I'd get behind that a lot sooner than I would get behind this whole fiasco in the ME.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
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Some use phony socials. Illegal aliens can also get a number called an ITIN, which functions like a social security number for tax purposes.


So you knowingly prepared returns that contained a fake social security number?

That correct?



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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Your logic is faulty. Our primary, if not ONLY concern should be what happens on our domestic soils. To hell with what the drug cartels do in Mexico. Keep them and their illegal substances from crossing the border. If anyone of any nationality wishes to become a citizen of the United States, there is a process to go through. Why enforce it for one group of people and not another?


Do you even know what logic is?

THE US IS INVOLVED ON THE WAR ON DRUGS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER. The US has had drugs and people infiltrating its borders for its entire history. The US tries to stop what it can but realizes some will get through.

Guarantee you that if they protected every inch of that border, you guys would be complaining about how much it costs.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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Actually people wouldnt complain about the cost.

War on drugs = unconstitutional

securing the border against invasion = Constitutionally mandated.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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According to the guidelines of the federally sponsored program I was volunteering for while helping illegal aliens file tax returns, I was not allowed to turn people in for being illegal aliens. I would have to turn myself in for violating federal laws if I turned the illegal aliens in I helped.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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So you knowingly prepared returns that contained a fake social security number?

That correct?


They use an ITIN.

On top of that IRS laws requires everybody who made money in the US to pay taxes, even if they are illegal.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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Try reading the entire post, or take a reading comprehension class. He admitted some used phony ss numbers.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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Try reading the entire post, or take a reading comprehension class. He admitted some used phony ss numbers.


How about getting you some manners. Doesn't matter to the IRS if they used fake ssn or not. Just that they report their income and pay their taxes.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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I used ITIN's. As an attorney, I cannot and will not knowingly assist a client in the commission of a fraud.

I have helped clients who were identity theft victims and who were in the opposite situation. There are people out there who get deficiency notices from the IRS because some other person is using their social security number on a job. The IRS thinks these people made income they did not really make and sends them a bill for unpaid taxes. Thankfully, it is usually not difficult to clear these things up with the IRS.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:26 PM
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I never admitted to using phony social security numbers. I just conceded that there are some illegal aliens out there that do. It would be naive for anybody to suggest that there are not a whole lot of illegal aliens out there using bogus social security numbers.



posted on Jun, 21 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Do not suggest I find manners when it was you who decided to interject yourself into a situation while completely ignoring half of the post.

Actually it does matter to the IRS considering its perjury when they sign the return

Add in local charges of fraud and identity theft. Yea, these illegals make such great contributions to the nation.....






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