Originally posted by malcr
Silly question: Where is the incontrovertible evidence that proves that the leak could have been plugged before now.
I'm quite sure we can get a thousand "but only if they did it my way" guesses and assumptions as we already have. So what! It's not proof it would work.
Originally posted by Dienekes
And as far as the Communist takeover idea... I don't think they are trying to turn us all into communists... In fact, I don't think they give a rats ass about anyone except their own pockets. If everyone else is destroyed for their profit. Its all good to them.
BUSH !!! DEREGULATED OFF SHORE DRILLING REGULATIONS......... WHAT ELSE WILL OBAMA NEED TO CLEAN UP AFTER BUSH FOR???
By ** Kimi ** - May 23, 2010 5:02:15 PM ET
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WHAT ELSE WILL WE FIND OUT ABOUT THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER... BUSH!!!
Democrats pressured the Minerals Management Service to investigate safety practices on the BP offshore platform. The Minerals Management Service changed rules in April 2008 to exempt certain projects in the central Gulf region, allowing BP to operate in the Macondo Prospect without filing a "blowout" plan.
n February 2009, BP filed a 52-page exploration and environmental impact plan for the Macondo well with the Minerals Management Service, an arm of the US Department of Interior that oversees offshore drilling. The plan stated that it was "unlikely that an accidental surface or subsurface oil spill would occur from the proposed activities" and that "due to the distance to shore (48 miles (77 km)) and the response capabilities that would be implemented, no significant adverse impacts are expected"
KINDA LOOKS LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A BLOWOUT PLAN FOR THE DEEPWATER HORIZON NOW !!! DUH!!!!
NEW ORLEANS - The top government official overseeing offshore drilling retired suddenly yesterday in a sign that the Obama administration was determined to fulfill the president's pledge to end the Mineral Management Service's "cozy relationship" with oil companies.
Chris Oynes was appointed associate director of the Offshore Energy and Minerals Management Program* by President Bush in 2007, after 13 years of overseeing the oil drilling permit process in the Gulf of Mexico.
"I hope Chris Oynes' decision to retire signals an understanding that a changing of the guard is necessary to cure MMS of the many ills it endured during the previous administration," said Rep. Nick J. Rahall, D-W.Va., the chairman of the House of Representatives Natural Resources Committee. "Today's announcement is one of several steps that will be necessary to fundamentally reform MMS, and it represents an opportunity to begin anew with a clean slate."
The President had already called a halt to further deepwater drilling permits until the oil disaster in the Gulf can be investigated and until there can be assurances against further disasters.
A culture of laxity, corruption, and working hand in hand with oil companies and the "cozy relationship" referred to by the President is apparently long established tradition at MSS.
A report from the Interior Department's own inspector general released in Sept., 2008 painted the picture of a Bush administration that had been literally in bed with the oil companies for years with revelations that MMS officials engaged in sex, drugs and partying with oil and gas company representatives. The MMS issues offshore drilling leases and handles billions of dollars in oil royalties.
The investigators, who began their probe early in President Bush's second term, found that MMS operatives were rigging contracts, working as private oil consultants and having sex with, using drugs with and accepting golf and ski trips, dinners and other gifts from oil and gas company executives.
The report notes that oil industry executives referred to female MMS staff participating in the frequent industry-regulator get-togethers as "the MMS chicks."
Adding insult to injury, the MMS failed to send a witness to a Senate hearing yesterday on the government and industry response to the massive oil spill which began when an explosion on an oil rig claimed 11 workers' lives.
Obama announced this weekend that his administration is reviewing how MMS implements the National Environmental Policy Act and endangered species laws. A few days earlier his administration said it is dividing MMS, which both regulates offshore drilling and collects billions of dollars in royalties. The plan is to create an entirely new offshore environmental and safety agency that will be responsible for inspection, investigation and enforcement operations.
The labor movement here is clear about where it believes the responsibility for poor federal oversight lies. Labor leaders are connecting the dots between deregulation during the Bush administration and the oil spill today.
"George W. Bush vetoed a law that would have required a mandatory cut-off valve precisely for this type of crisis," said Robert "Tiger" Hammond, president of the Greater New Orleans AFL-CIO.
David Magee, vice president of International Longshoremen's Association (ILA) Local 3000 here, said lax regulators during the Bush administration did the bidding of oil companies, allowing the tragedy to happen. "BP was trying to save money, as a result 11 lives were lost and our state, city and region are going to suffer."
New Orleans labor leaders reject attempts by the right-wing media, including Fox News, to implicate the Obama administration in lax federal regulation.
Tiger, who also serves as the executive secretary for the Southwest Louisiana Building Construction Trades Council, pointed to the administration's plan to break up MMS and said he has seen "a huge change in the federal government's approach to regulating big corporations since President Obama took office."
Citing the overhaul of MMS and the administration's move to guarantee that contractors pay prevailing wages at federal and other job sites, Magee said, "The Obama administration has been part of our post-Katrina success. Obama is on the side of the community, the workers, the fishermen. BP, on the other hand, allowed this tragedy to happen."
Lawsuit seeks damages under organized crime laws
Oil firm BP "manipulated" the Bush administration into softening regulation of oil drilling, leading to the environmental disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico, a lawsuit filed in a Florida courtroom alleges.
The suit, which describes the Gulf spill as "an ecological Armageddon that could literally destroy the marine and coastal environment and way of life for generation of Americans," was filed on behalf of a Pensacola Beach property developer who says he and countless other property owners along the Gulf coast will lose large sums of money as the spill devalues their properties, reports the Pensacola News-Journal.
Lawyer Mike Papantonio, an occasional TV pundit who is leading the lawsuit, makes no bones about the fact his client sees the Bush administration as being primarily responsible for the spill.
"The only way that happened was because there was a concerted effort to take all of the teeth out of regulations," he said, as quoted at the News-Journal.
In an unusual twist, the civil suit is being pressed under the US's RICO Act, a federal law passed in 1970 designed to deal with organized crime. In effect, the lawsuit alleges that BP and the Bush administration acted as a crime syndicate.
The suit refers to "a 2000 retreat for government officials hosted by former Vice President Dick Cheney with the goal of drafting a national energy policy," reports the News-Journal. As Raw Story reported in April, Anne Womack Kolton, a former press secretary for Cheney who once defended the secretive energy policy meetings, has been hired by BP for its public relations effort on the oil spill.
Some legal experts doubt the RICO tactic will work.
"It's quite unusual to say that the [criminal] enterprise is created between private industry and the government," Stetson University law professor Michael Allen told the News-Journal. "I'm not sure RICO sweeps that broadly and I am not sure what legally this action will bring to the table considering all of the other actions out there."
Allen was evidently referring to the fact there are now nearly 200 lawsuits pending against BP over the oil spill, the US's largest environmental disaster to date.
An inspector-general's report earlier this year indicated that the federal agency charged with overseeing oil reserves, the Minerals Management Service, largely failed to live up to the most minimal expectations of it. The report showed the MMS to have allowed oil companies to fill in their own inspection reports, and at least one MMS inspector had admitted to a methamphetamine addiction that caused him to be high while carrying out inspections.
The report also found that, from 2005 to 2007, MMS inspectors accepted numerous gifts, including meals and tickets to sporting events, from at least one oil company.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by nikiano
President Obama is a completely worthless president. Look at the way he is handling this oil spill....it's deplorable. is talking about suing them. He's talking about financial responsibility. He's bringing the leaders of BP into congress for cross examinations. He's talking about "kicking ass" on national television. But is he DOING anything about it? No.
He's not behaving like a president - he's behaving like a LAWYER.
He's actually behaving like a socialist. He's doing what he knows best: take someone's money and give it to someone else (after it goes through him first, of course).
And the "I'm gonna kick your ass and take your money" is the behavior of a schoolyard bully, nothing more.
Originally posted by minute2midnight
The cold reality is, the United States of America has been without a President since January 20, 2009. We are a nation without a leader.
Originally posted by nikiano
President Obama is a completely worthless president. Look at the way he is handling this oil spill....it's deplorable. He's talking about suing them. He's talking about financial responsibility. He's bringing the leaders of BP into congress for cross examinations. He's talking about "kicking ass" on national television. But is he DOING anything about it? No.
He's not behaving like a president - he's behaving like a LAWYER.
How many times can we say this...FIX THE DAMN LEAK FIRST!! Then worry about who is to blame. How hard is that simple task???
All the while, the spill is getting worse, and worse....and not only that, but the Coast Guard is BLOCKING efforts of cleanup crews and media resports.
Coast Guard...whose side are you on, anyway??
And who do I have to blame? Myself. I admit, I voted for Obama. Why? I was hoping for something better than Bush. I was tired of Republican policies getting us into war after war. I wanted us out of Afghanistan and Iraq. I admit (now, ashamedly) that I voted for him because I was sick of the wars, and sick of the incompetence. But what do we get? MORE incompetence. WORSE than Bush, if that is possible.
Yes, Bush waited 5 days before he sent people in to New Orleans after Katrina. But what the hell is Obama doing? Not only is he doing nothing, but 15 countries have come to our aid, offering to help us, and he says "No, thanks....we've got it under control." We DO??? WHERE?? Where do we have this leak under control??
Obama seems like he WANTS this leak to ruin the Gulf. I can think of no other other rational explanation for his actions.
Obama is not only being incompetent about BP, either. Look at what's happening in my state...
[edit on 21-6-2010 by nikiano]
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
Folks you're seeing what not regulating a corporation does.
Obama isn't the one to blame he is simply the person with the broom cleaning up from the last president's blunders.