Originally posted by pieman
Originally posted by seagull
I've saved a life with them, weren't nothing big, shot a rattlesnake that was camped out by my Uncles door.
From the snakes perspective, you went into his house and shot him for no good reason except his being there. He wasn't even threatening according to
you. Saved a life? In what way?
Yes, lives are taken by guns, and that's a bad thing. On that we agree. However, lives are saved by their use as well.
A gun has a single purpose, to take life. Any live they "save" is only through the balance of supposition as to what you believe might have happened
if things had been different. They can't actually save a life.
Like any tool, dangerous to the user and those around him if used in a fashion not intended.
Guns are quite dangerous when used in the fashion to which they were intended. That is why they are called weapons, not tools. Don't give me that
...as for your cowboy remark?
Which one? I never said a thing about cowboys, I have nothing against farm laborers of any description, except, perhaps, nerf herders!!
[edit on 21/6/10 by pieman]
Firstly...apologies for the Cowboy thing...it wasn't you. Sorry about that. What have you got against nerf herders? Scruffy, or something
Living as you do in England, I don't think you realize just how dangerous a grumpy rattlesnake is. ...and a rattlesnake that just got stepped on is
about as grumpy as it gets. Rattlesnakes are poisonous, if you didn't know this. This one was not a young one either...about 2 feet long. Dangerous
to adults, very probably lethal to kids. Yeah, it wasn't out to do evil things, yet an evil would have occurred had someone stepped on it, or
disturbed it. There was no real choice in the matter, had there been, I'd have been more than happy to let it go its way, and I, mine. You see,
folks who know their way around guns are not, as you seem to think or want to imply, all about killing things they dislike...
Guns have saved lives, and without taking them. Many a burglary, or would be assault, has been stopped, pardon the pun, dead by the mere presence of
a hand gun, or the ratcheting sound of a pump shotgun. The trigger needn't be touched to save a life...
A gun is only as dangerous, barring sheer unadulterated stupidity or accidents, as the user. You would be perfectly safe around me, for
example...because I've been trained, virtually from the moment I was old enough to hold it safely, in how to handle them with safety, and competence.
As for them not being tools...that's the load of crap... Weapons of any sort are tools. Knives, swords, guns, bombs, slingshots, oil spills...all
are tools of sorts...just like hammers, screwdrivers, and pliers. Yes, their intended use is to take life, that doesn't make them anyless of a
Safety is paramount when using a handgun/rifle/shotgun or any other sort of tool. A handgun is always loaded, whether it is or not...always treat it
as such. The first time you don't, you may live to regret it, but someone else may not.
We've reached the point where we agree to disagree. I'm unlikely to convince you of your mistaken belief. ...and for darned sure, you aren't
going to change my mind. So...until we next disagree.