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Nope, what he's saying is what I'm saying. Microwaves are non-ionizing.
High-frequency electromagnetic waves are generated by oscillators (often by gyrotrons or klystrons) outside the torus. If the waves have the correct frequency (or wavelength) and polarization, their energy can be transferred to the charged particles in the plasma, which in turn collide with other plasma particles, thus increasing the temperature of the bulk plasma. Various techniques exist including electron cyclotron resonance heating (ECRH) and ion cyclotron resonance heating.
Set of hyperfrequency tubes (84 GHz and 118 GHz) for plasma heating by electron cyclotron waves on the Tokamak à Configuration Variable (TCV). Courtesy of CRPP-EPFL, Association Suisse-Euratom.
Originally posted by Edrick
It was my understanding that Plasma was a THERMAL state...
Hence, Heating something to plasma.... as opposed to direct photon ionization.
Looks like you are wrong.
Then maybe you shouldn't be posting all the comments about how the "microwaves" from HAARP were "ionizing" gases.
Of course, they aren't microwaves, but you've been trying so very hard to make them be because you've seen plasma etchers and whatnot.
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Originally posted by graaly
Great thread, the information here about how things work is wonderful. But, I think that both debaters points are moot. They are both not part of the HAARP program to have first hand experience with the technology so all you can do is assume and work the with science involved with the facility. I tend to side with Edrick in this debate as I have a healthy skepticism of my government and what they do. Phage, I think that your posts are well thought out and bring up valid points, but you seem to accept the "official story" most of the time. I can see why, because most of the the time the most logical or rational answer is the the truth.
You also say they are limited to 3.6 Megawatt, you are only saying that because that is what they are officially saying. None of us know the real potential unless we experience it for ourselves. None of us can say we know for sure, none of us have first hand knowledge.
www.haarp.alaska.edu... But I would expect a signal from the transmitter to be a very strong signal.
2. There are superfluous, constant signals present in the data. They are due to local sources at or near the HAARP site, such as computer clock oscillators.
Originally posted by Phage
You have it backwards. The signal did not necessarily get "turned on". The ionospheric conditions changed such that the signal was received at Gakona. The ionosphere affected the signal, not the other way around.
in this type of chart, frequency is plotted along the y-axis, time on the x-axis and signal intensity as a color with bright yellow and red colors representing strong signal levels and darker, blue and violet colors representing weak or no signal.
You ignore the possibility that an existing signal from a distant source suddenly became detectable? Have you ever used a shortwave radio? Signals can suddenly become audible "out of nowhere".
I've saved a screendump, but something has been switched on. Can anyone here advise as to what i'm actually seeing?
Various lightning processes emit electromagnetic signals with a peak in the radio-frequency spectrum at 5 to 10 kHz when observed at distances beyond 50 km or so. At frequencies higher than that of the spectrum peak, the spectral amplitude is approximately inversely proportional to the frequency up to 10 MHz or so and inversely proportional to the square root of frequency from about 10 MHz to 10 GHz (Cianos et al. 1973). The mechanisms of radiation in the high-frequency (HF) region of the spectrum, 3–30 MHz, and above are not fully understood. It is thought that this radiation is caused by numerous small sparks occurring during the formation of new channels, that is, by the electrical breakdown of air rather than by high-current pulses propagating in pre-existing channels.