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reply posted on 20-6-2010 @ 03:33 PM by jerico65
reply to post by PayMeh




Then I stand corrected. It's not tax money, but they are "taxing" me to collect unemployment comp.

I still think it's a good idea to test people collecting unemployment for drugs.


reply posted on 20-6-2010 @ 03:49 PM by PayMeh
reply to post by jerico65



They are also taxing you for pet projects that makes their friends and themselves millions. By your argument, and I agree with you, taxes are bad and yes regular tax dollars go into logistics to run the program.

This, however as already has been addressed, will only increase the cost of those logistics exponentially.


reply posted on 20-6-2010 @ 03:58 PM by azrael36
For those saying that the unemployment money that is being paid out is their money, some may be correct. A few states do actually tax the worker. Here's what I found with a quick 2 minute google search about where unemployment funds come.
Here are some questions and answers about the money that's distributed in unemployment benefits.
Where does the money come from?
It's raised through state and federal unemployment insurance taxes on employers. The federal tax is 6.2 percent on the first $7,000 in annual wages to each employee. State tax rates vary from state to state, as does the amount of each worker's income that's subject to the tax — which ranges from $7,000 to $34,000.
Do all employers in a given state pay the same?
No. The rate they pay depends on how many former employees have drawn jobless benefits — the more such workers an employer has, the higher the tax rate it must pay the state. The irony is that employers responsible for the most joblessness as a percentage of their work force — the ones that have gone out of business — cannot pay their share of unemployment taxes because they've gone under.
Are state and federal taxes the only sources of funding?
Not quite. A few states also impose unemployment insurance taxes on employees.
How is the federal money divided?
There are three federal accounts. One pays for state program administration; a second for the 50 percent share of the extended benefits program (more on that later); and the third for a loan fund for states with unusually high unemployment.
Is there a ceiling on how much money can be in the federal accounts or is it just allowed to grow and grow?
Federal law does set ceilings. When they're reached, the excess is sent to the states' unemployment trust funds in proportion to the amount of money that came from the states. The Congressional Budget Office, according to the U.S. Labor Department, calculated in its most recent estimate that the federal government would transfer about $9 billion to the states over the 2013-18 period. But that was calculated before the government had an understanding of the magnitude of the current economic recession.
Who runs the unemployment programs, and who determines the size of the benefit payments?
The states. Typically, the benefits run for 26 weeks. Sometimes, during times like these, states or the federal government extend the benefit period — the aforementioned extended benefits program. President Bush signed into law a 13-week extension in June for those who had already used up their benefits. He followed that in November with a seven-week extension — 13 weeks for the states with the highest unemployment rates.
How are the states doing with their own unemployment reserve funds? Sixteen states had reserves in the range of zero to nine months as of Sept. 30, according to the Labor Department's most recent quarterly report. On the other extreme, Louisiana had 94 months of reserves, as its trust funds only dipped 3 percent over the previous 12 months.
Zero to nine months? Does that mean there was a state with no reserves at all?
Yes. As of June 30, Michigan's reserves already had $177 million in unpaid federal loans. To pay the interest on the loans, the state has imposed a solvency tax on an estimated 15 percent of its employers. Generally, they are businesses that have paid less in state unemployment taxes than their former employees received in jobless benefits.
I am vehemently against having to pee for an unemployment check. I am against having to pee for anything really, considering its no ones business what I do in the privacy of my own home.


reply posted on 20-6-2010 @ 04:18 PM by ninthaxis
There are many here who have no business posting as they have no understanding of where unemployment comes from. They should not be using 'your' tax dollars to buy drugs while on unemployment? These people are eligible for unemployment because they had a job and worked it long enough to collect. You know what long enough to collect means? That they and the company they worked for have paid in enough money from their earnings to be eliglble to collect. These aren't the welfare kids who get nothing by putting nothing in. How about a vegan demand testing for meat consumption because a person can survive on a minimal amount of leafy substance and still have energy to search for a job? How about I say tax dollars should not be spent on your electric bill that you used to play video games and watch movies when you should have been out looking for a job? Where does the line get drawn? I'll tell you where, it will be drawn and erased and redrawn to the point that you have absolutely no say in what that money goes for.

Please people instead of crying nonsense about lazy drug addicted individuals soaking up government unemployment benefits take a look at the welfare system or the government pork projects, the wasted funding on public officials drawing pay and pension after being convicted of misconduct and crimes. Leave people's person lives and decisions out of it. If I want to drink a beer and smoke something natural bottom line it is none of your business. A person could have smoked marijuana while on the job and been let go due to downsizing, but now they can't receive benefits because it takes weeks to clear ones system after smoking heavily. Drug use isn't a sign of a lazy person, drug use is a personal choice that has NO affect on you except through imprudent laws and sanctions.


reply posted on 20-6-2010 @ 04:19 PM by groingrinder
reply to post by PayMeh



The company does not pay unemployment. Every place I have ever worked, it was deducted from the worker's paycheck. Your mileage may vary.


reply posted on 20-6-2010 @ 04:41 PM by endtimer
Originally posted by GreenBicMan
reply to
post by andy1033



Who cares if they spend their money on a double qtr. pounder with cheese at McDonalds or a 6 pack of Busch? Who are you to say what others should do with their money?

THEIR money? It is the working taxpayers in this country who are paying
out THEIR hardearned money for the druggies and
drunks. And no, not all of them are, but they should be tested.
THIER money huh?
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