David Icke is a liar, page 1

Originally posted by Y2Zgt
How does anyone believe any of his garbage?

He stole his idea from the television V.

Possibly. Or was V a cover for the truth, by trivializing the concept and making it MS entertainment. Hmmmm. I think he just ripped V off. But I think he believes what he actually says.

I think he is trying to make a resurgence of christians be getting people to believe in evil.

I don't accept Icke's claims. But to be fair, he has only become popular in the last few years post 9/11.
Before that, as far back as the early 90's, Icke was a English national joke. To his credit, he has stuck to his cause and time has made him credible merely by events occurring in the world that has severely shaken people's trust in previously held truths, institutions and beliefs.

I like his perseverance. I think that should be noted. I think the way he presents some issues regarding NWO conspiracy are as good as any out in the community, if not better. Icke has a gift of creating great narratives that can make it easy for people to conceptualize a topic that can be very confusing and often disjointed in nature due to the wide variety of elements that make up the topic.

What many people fail to realize and take away from individuals like Icke, is that the conclusions or answers he offers and draws are speculated, the result of conjecture and suggested. I think people can come away from Icke thinking they have been given the 'real' truth.

Whilst we can be overloaded by information or revelations from individuals like Icke, we still need to focus on the fact that what they are telling us is just the same as one of Ickes trademark topics. Problem, reaction solution which he often states is his.

Icke informs us that it is often the agenda for Govt/NWO to create tyranny, control of the globe.

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Problem, reaction and solution. Used to bring order out of chaos by creating terror, manufacturing a scapegoat and then implementing a solution to serve the agenda whilst persecuting the scapegoat whilst labeling any opposition to the agenda as being a member of the manufactured scapegoat group.

But Icke does this himself, to his audience.
He presents us the problem. The terror in this case in a NWO illuminati elite that is after total control, tyranny.
Reaction. The people who accept this, that become afraid, become distrusting of any group, authority or individual associated with Ickes NWO. They now need a new source of information or something to trust. They now seek a new agenda to follow, a new idea of society to participate in now that they have become disenfranchised from the world they previously accepted but now believe is a NWO organization out to control their lives and world, with the potential that they will be the victims of depopulation.
Ickes solution in the video above starts to kick in at 6 minutes in the linked video.(mind you, this is at the end of a near 2hr interview).
New age philosophy. A utopian dream when juxtaposed with the tyranny he has created and presented. Set up by a reaction induced by the fear and terror Icke's versions of reality inspires, the greater agenda according to Icke is served up to the individual as the alternative. Its Icke giving personal empowerment, preaching the power of the individual, but only after inducing fear and terror. He does it quite well.

Problem, reaction, solution.
Icke=NWO.

Wake up!

The irony is that Icke is trying to wake people up. I really think he is. But, what is worse is that Icke can be relegated to the very system he tries to bring down.
The only way he can create change is to create fear and distrust.
He criticizes the "reality" we have as one that is manufactured and induced by the few. Yet, Icke is one of just a few conspiracy elite(along with Jordon, Wilcock, Tsarion et al), presenting another nature of reality and this is manufactured from Icke's speculation, conjecture, suggestions and inferences. Which is exactly what he claims the elite do to the masses.

YouTube Link

This is classic Icke.
At the end about 9 minutes, he injects the new age philosophy, the individual as infinite consciousness. Exactly what the NWO is doing to the masses by way of centralized government, so Icke does with his solution of a metaphysical centralization of consciousness. He relegates the individual to being in need of a metaphysical unified consciousness and that only through "enough" people realizing that they are not the "individual" but part of a unified consciousness can the NWO be defeated.

Icke is one of the best IMHO.
It will be interesting to see how the following he has will evolve as life inevitably moves on, and his ideas, philosophies and speculations and solutions are reflected on by those that accept or believe Him, and by those who don't.

[edit on 20/6/10 by atlasastro]